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[Alx]

You lose resale value of the game, even if it's free you're still 'buying' the game, but that's neither here or there I guess.

Bundled games are usually labeled "not for resale", though. Which doesn't mean people don't do it, but they're not supposed to, officially.

 

[Blearth]

You lose resale value of the game, even if it's free you're still 'buying' the game, but that's neither here or there I guess.

Choice would have been nice...

What fucking universe does this make sense in?

 

[xkramz]

Ah yes, the leaks. I guess that could be a reason, but hasn't pretty much everything already leaked through the beta?

And maybe that's why they're starting with pre-loading titanfall because NDA was lifted and just about everything been leaked?
Hopefully they would find a way to make all game releases pre load enabled

 

[mrklaw]

At AUD$599 it's the same price as the standard Xbox One console here in Australia. That is a great incentive for people to buy Xbox One over PS4 here IMO. Basically a free copy of Titanfall, and I was going to get a digital copy anyway... I just wish I didn't already have the console.

Edit: Keep in mind, PS4 is AUD$549 here, and Titanfall at retail will be AUD$99.95 RRP. Good value!

is it a huge incentive? If you were waiting for titanfall then you're a potential customer anyway. I don't see this changing many minds - you already got a huge game like FIFA included in day one consoles in Europe.

 

[wwm0nkey]

So H2A confirmed?

 

[ekim]

So H2A confirmed?

Well... Phil Spencer more or less confirmed it already after the leaks.

edit: it seems the bundle also includes a month of XBL Gold. You guys discussing the price might consider this.

 

[Alx]

Well... Phil Spencer more or less confirmed it already after the leaks.

Spencer teases a lot on Twitter, sometimes plays with the questions (see the Mistwalker incident), and never gives a straight yes or no. I've stopped reading too much in what he's saying as long as it's not official.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

I find it very hard to believe that you would make a profit selling a 2nd hand game, see below;

XB1 = $500
TF = $60
Total = $560

Sell TF = $40 (max)
Final Expendature= $520


XB1 & TF Bundle = $500
Final Expendature = $500

Your still $20 up with the bundle and still have the game, your logic is false and you kidding yourself if you think that financially you are better off spending an extra $60 you'll not get back.

Good points, but I'd argue you're forgetting about the trade in value of the game against other games, especially if it turns out to be as big as MS/EA hope. Still, you're right in that you would make a small loss if you sold the game without looking at all options available.

Changes come slowly when you're working with a massive code base. And they have to ensure that their implementation doesn't open the door for vulnerabilities.

Besides, I doubt it's high on their priority list at the moment.

Fair enough. Still seems like something they should have already worked out, especially considering their earlier DRM plans.

Bundled games are usually labeled "not for resale", though. Which doesn't mean people don't do it, but they're not supposed to, officially.

Yeah, but who hasn't seen not for resale copies for sale in Game, CEX, supermarkets, pretty much everywhere.

What fucking universe does this make sense in?

I'll admit it's a bit of a stretch, but I'm thinking purely in terms of if the game is a success, you're left with a game you could have instead traded in/sold on.

And maybe that's why they're starting with pre-loading titanfall because NDA was lifted and just about everything been leaked?
Hopefully they would find a way to make all game releases pre load enabled

Let's hope so. It's pretty annoying that Sony have regressed in offering digital pre-loading too...

 

[SlickShoes]

The bundle seems horribly priced.

If there was a Titanfall XBOX ONE bundle in the UK for £350, I would buy it. Until it comes at that price with a game or £300 without then they can bolt.

 

[lifeexpectancy]

I find it very hard to believe that you would make a profit selling a 2nd hand game, see below;

XB1 = $500
TF = $60
Total = $560

Sell TF = $40 (max)
Final Expendature= $520


XB1 & TF Bundle = $500
Final Expendature = $500

Your still $20 up with the bundle and still have the game, your logic is false and you kidding yourself if you think that financially you are better off spending an extra $60 you'll not get back.

EDIT: You could pick up the bundle as sell the code on ebay as other mentioned. You'll not end up with $60 but you could cut the final eExpendature to, maybe $460? Of course you'll end op not owning the game but have cut down on the overall console price.

You're forgetting that many US retailers have promotions/incentives for $50 in-store gift cards if you buy an XB1, and those promotions may not apply to the bundle, so in the end buying the standard console, using the store gift card for a copy of TF on disc while paying the $10 difference out of pocket, using it till you're bored of it, and reselling said retail disc of TF that you paid essentially $10 for (if you use the store gift card for the other $50) would in fact be cheaper than buying the bundle without said $50 store gift card and a digital copy you can't resell.

 

[iMax]

I'll admit it's a bit of a stretch, but I'm thinking purely in terms of if the game is a success, you're left with a game you could have instead traded in/sold on.

No, you're completely right on this one. You're buying Titanfall just as much as you're buying the controller, the console, the HDMI cable, or the AC adapter. If it's included in the cost, you're buying it. This is because you can instantly re-sell any one of those components yourself, essentially for profit.

edit: by the way, I can't remember where the post was, but I think you were asking whether the Infamous bundle came with a disc or digital copy? It's a disc.

 

[tensuke]

It looks like a good deal, but kind of lame that you only get a digital copy and no special edition console/controller. Hopefully they'll release a different bundle that includes those?

 

[aygomyownroad]

I was awaiting this bundle but its very poor.

I was expecting a years Xbox Live and a Titanfall controller as well.

Still a good saving but lackluster

 

[lifeexpectancy]

Bundled games are usually labeled "not for resale", though. Which doesn't mean people don't do it, but they're not supposed to, officially.

Actually no, that's not true. 'Not for resale' applies to retailers, because retailers pay a certain cost to purchase games intended for sale, and the bundled games are not intended to be sold separately from the console by a retailer.

However, an end user that purchases the console is free to do whatever he/she pleases with the 'not for resale' copy, including sell it.

This is kind of like taking the tag off a mattress, lol. People seem to misunderstand what 'not for resale' means and who it does and does not apply to.

 

[Dabanton]

If I didn't already have an X1 this deal would be very interesting to me.

I don't exchange games so having a digital version wouldn't bother me in the slightest. It also works for MS as it gets you locked into their ecosystem.

Now if only the prices on digital games were actually sane.

 

[cripterion]

Should be 430-450 US dollars if they really wanted to sell. Or make it 499 but throw a year worth of Xbox live. This pack is essentially the same as the day one edition that we got in Europe, just replaced with Titanfall... Yeah, they still haven't learned.

 

[JoJo UK]

You're forgetting that many US retailers have promotions/incentives for $50 in-store gift cards if you buy an XB1, and those promotions may not apply to the bundle, so in the end buying the standard console, using the store gift card for a copy of TF on disc while paying the $10 difference out of pocket, using it till you're bored of it, and reselling said retail disc of TF that you paid essentially $10 for (if you use the store gift card for the other $50) would in fact be cheaper than buying the bundle without said $50 store gift card and a digital copy you can't resell.

I did not know that, I'm in the UK and yet to see such generous incentives hit these shores. If thats was the case however yeah why wouldn't you use the gift card/voucher, seems the obvious choice. These 'what ifs' just muddies the water, I mean I could just say what if the promotions do apply to the bundle?

 

[graywolf323]

not even including the Titanfall controller? that's dumb

edit: wait so the console itself isn't TItanfall themed at all either? this sorta seems like a last minute desperation move then huh?

 

[Discusguy]

Seems another missed opportunity for MS. Such a lackluster bundle. I yr of Xbox Live would have made the TitfanFall bundle pretty great.

 

[allan-bh]

The bundle is good but could coming with 3 months of Live Gold.

 

[TechnicPuppet]

Changes come slowly when you're working with a massive code base. And they have to ensure that their implementation doesn't open the door for vulnerabilities.

Besides, I doubt it's high on their priority list at the moment.

I think they have already blamed it on retail.

 

[Dabanton]

Has MS ever given away a years Xbox live in any of their bundles?

 

[Jawmuncher]

Looks like I only have to eat half a crow.
That's indeed a bundle but they didn't do a damn thing special with it.
Would have thought they'd throw in the controller at least.

 

[iMax]

Has MS ever given away a years Xbox live in any of their bundles?

Not in official bundles, as far as I know, other than the two years of Xbox Live you got 'given' with the subscription Xbox 360.

 

[BuggeryBugz]

I was awaiting this bundle but its very poor.

I was expecting a years Xbox Live and a Titanfall controller as well.

Still a good saving but lackluster

Why not throw in a free TV as well.

It's a good bundle that essentially gives you a free game in titanfall. People are expecting too much.

 

[lighthouse777]

I might be wrong, but isn't the price the same as the regular xbox one?
with a free game, albeit digital

it would be nice to see a skinned console, but it might be too early for that
now I would buy a halo 5 console

or, lol, fallout 4 console. fallout 4 console not likely to happen, of course

 

[cripterion]

Why not throw in a free TV as well.

It's a good bundle that essentially gives you a free game in titanfall. People are expecting too much.

So is MS.

 

[Discusguy]

Why not throw in a free TV as well.

It's a good bundle that essentially gives you a free game in titanfall. People are expecting too much.

MS cheaped out on the hardware so I do expect more.

 

[lifeexpectancy]

I did not know that, I'm in the UK and yet to see such generous incentives hit these shores. If thats was the case however yeah why wouldn't you use the gift card/voucher, seems the obvious choice. These 'what ifs' just muddies the water, I mean I could just say what if the promotions do apply to the bundle?

Oh for sure yeah. If the promotion does apply to the bundle too, then the bundle would be the way to go, because it'd essentially be console and game for $450.

I just wish they had been smart enough to release the damn thing at $350 without the Kinect to begin with. Hell, the 360 launched with two skus, the one sans hard drive and the 'pro' bundle with the hard drive. I see no reason why the XB1 couldn't have launched at $350 without Kinect and $500 with Kinect. Especially since true Kinect support is virtually non existent and will likely remain so outside of first party games. You just can't play 'real' games with Kinect, no matter how good the motion recognition is. It's always going to be relegated to dance games, fitness games, and on-rails games. It MAY be useful to control project spark, but only in the creation process. Gameplay and testing your creations would likely still need a controller. In fact the only real game I could see it being of true use for would be an RTS game like Halo Wars. That's about it. As of now everyone I know that actually uses the thing uses it as a glorified microphone because the only use it gets is for voice commands.

But I digress. You're right that it's cheaper if the $50 gift card promotion here applies to the bundle as well. I'm just assuming it won't because those promotions are usually only for a limited time, and may be over by TF launch. /shrug Time will tell.

 

[Doffen]

So is MS.

If it don't sell, the price will drop. But there is no need to drop the price until then.

 

[lifeexpectancy]

If it don't sell, the price will drop. But there is no need to drop the price until then.

Depends on your school of thought. Some folks believe that if the XB1 doesn't start putting up big numbers again soon, it will have such a damaged reputation that no price cut short of a massive one (aka dropping it to $300-350 with Kinect still bundled in) will have much positive effect.

You see if someone's looking at an XB1 vs a PS4 6 months from now after MS finally gets their shit together and drops the price, they might have lots of friends who already bought a PS4 because the XB1 was too expensive. In that situation, the price cut to $399 for the XB1 wouldn't help because they'd still buy a PS4 to be where their friends are at, not to mention they'd STILL be getting the better bargain due to PS4 being more powerful.

XB1 needs a price drop yesterday to stay competitive. It should've launched either a) at a lower price period if only one sku or b) with two skus so that Kinect lovers would have that option and everyone else could get the "inferior" system cheaper than the PS4, thus justifying being the less powerful system since it would've cost less. Remaining at the $499 price point is only going to hurt them in the long run regardless of how much sales pick up after a price drop, because there are other legacy sales that will never happen due to it staying too high for too long.

 

[The Elite]

Wow, that update is salty at the source link.

Yeah, the embargo might not have been communicated properly but that isn't a good reason to shit all over the situation.

Curious to see what they price it at in NA.

 

[Bumhead]

Why not throw in a free TV as well.

It's a good bundle that essentially gives you a free game in titanfall. People are expecting too much.

Correct.

I mean people are really pushing this "lets moan at free shit" thing now.

It's the system, as it comes now, just with a completley free version of the best game available for it.

They're not advertising it as a Limited Edition console or anything like that. It's a console + game bundle. It's all as it says on the tin and couldn't be anymore simple.

 

[Milennia]

i got mine a couple of weeks ago =/

so basically i missed out on the free titanfall.

 

[Slayven]

Not a great bundle. Shame because 360 bundles were great. I still want that star wars one.

 

[EvB]

Not a great bundle. Shame because 360 bundles were great. I still want that star wars one.

The Star Wars bundle was released after 4 years.
I actually can't remember what the first price cut or official bundle was for 360.

Was it the Red Gears console that was 12 months after launch?

 

[goldenpp72]

People shouldn't be complaining about a game bundle in a console that just launched 4 months ago. I'm sure the quality of them will increase over time as usual, but I imagine they slapped this together quick to bank on the hype. My main curiosity is how this will harm the sales of the models currently on the shelves, assuming the price is the same.

 

[Dire]

So I take it this will screw Titanfall's NPD figures? If there were people willing to buy an XBone for the game, they'll obviously just get this bundle and it won't count as a sale for the game?

 

[EvB]

So I take it this will screw Titanfall's NPD figures? If there were people willing to buy an XBone for the game, they'll obviously just get this bundle and it won't count as a sale for the game?

The NPD figures are only one measure, both Sony and MS publish sales figures that include pack ins.

 

[Fox Mulder]

Should be 430-450 US dollars if they really wanted to sell. Or make it 499 but throw a year worth of Xbox live. This pack is essentially the same as the day one edition that we got in Europe, just replaced with Titanfall... Yeah, they still haven't learned.

the US didn't even get a free game. This is bundling the highest profile game to date for the console for free not long after launch.

It's still early, but MS will have to do something of it still sells like shit after titanfall going into summer.

My main curiosity is how this will harm the sales of the models currently on the shelves, assuming the price is the same.

retailers have to love it. Their shelves are currently stocked with Xbox ones that aren't selling, only for there to be a more attractive bundle coming.

 

[BibiMaghoo]

So...

It was a fake rumour then? There is a bundle, but a standard console with a digital copy. No TitanFall console.

To the people saying this means the rumour was true, I would ask if you really believed there would be no bundle with MS biggest game this year.

 

[ClearData]

I liked when Microsoft did the themed Xbox 360s. I bought myself the Halo 4 Edition a while back. Seems like a missed opportunity to have a slick Mecha themed Xbone.

 

[EvB]

People shouldn't be complaining about a game bundle in a console that just launched 4 months ago. I'm sure the quality of them will increase over time as usual, but I imagine they slapped this together quick to bank on the hype. My main curiosity is how this will harm the sales of the models currently on the shelves, assuming the price is the same.

Loads of UK retailers have been selling the machines with a £30 discount or free game over the weekend, that will be them clearing out stock of none bundle packages that few people will want.

 

[ClearData]

So...

It was a fake rumour then? There is a bundle, but a standard console with a digital copy. No TitanFall console.

To the people saying this means the rumour was true, I would ask if you really believed there would be no bundle with MS biggest game this year.

I think Mortimer wrote on his site or Twitter that a themed console was planned but scrapped due to manufacturing costs. Odd because that never seemed to stop the boys in Redmond with the 360.

 

[The Incredible Muffin]

I honestly don't think people will pick up an Xbone just because they owned a 360.
From what I've seen on facebook, twitter, and general word of mouth. I hear PS4. My nephew even tells me all his friends want a PS4. This could really mean nothing lol I don't think people have to know the percentages, just know that "PS4 is more powerful" and if they check gaming media, well there's always headlines of PS4 doing something more powerful than the Xbone. I don't think the general consumer is THAT ignorant. Also, yeah Titanfall hype could push people to buy the Xbone.

You might be right. But currently, is there any reason to go for a X1 unless you really want to play Titanfall on a console, and love Halo?

So if that is the case, and you believe that most consumers can not be THAT ignorant it should show up in sales numbers. Only time will tell.

 

[JoJo UK]

I liked when Microsoft did the themed Xbox 360s. I bought myself the Halo 4 Edition a while back. Seems like a missed opportunity to have a slick Mecha themed Xbone.

Remember the interchangable faceplates on the first X360, I'm sure I bought 1 or 2 lol! MS (and Sony for that matter) should start sell vinyl wrap packs as accessories for their consoles.

EDIT: Oh God I just remembered I had a Spider-Man wrap on my OG Xbox...

 

[SeanR1221]

Most of my local stores are already packed with Xbox ones...where are they gonna put these? Or do they send back unsold units to make room? I'm actually serious, not trying to be a dick.

 

[flkraven]

Doesn't even have the Titanfall controller? Such a lame package...

 

[Milennia]

Most of my local stores are already packed with Xbox ones...where are they gonna put these? Or do they send back unsold units to make room? I'm actually serious, not trying to be a dick.

if they have space, they hold them, otherwise, they are sent to stores with medium-low stock, or back to a wearhouse for redistribution iirc.

 

[beast786]

I don't understand why people think casual don't understand power diff of resolution etc?

This isn't 1990's. Casuals have cell, iPads , HDTV etc and all sell base on resolution and tech talk. They are much more savy than you guys give them credit. obviously there is a segment that might not care even with knowledge but world has change. hell my wife knows pretty much and understand basic RAM , resolution HDD etc as she owns a laptop for a while and can go shopping by herself.