Father_Brain
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It's truly bizarre to think that MS could exit the gaming hardware business before Nintendo does. Not that I'd place any bets on that happening just yet, mind you...
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Bonus Round - Is Time Running Out For Xbox?
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TheLostBigBoss
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What is going on lol, i'm not through the whole episode but pachter already saying x1 was supply constrained in january, keighley saying titanfall is only on x1....
and look at all the great games we got on it
At the cost of poor third party ports and an overall net loss for the generation.
Thats why I sincerely hope that Pacther's sources are right. If the Kinect was truly Mattrick's baby, and logical people are now in charge, we should see it unbundled soon.
razgriz417
Member
With the way the PS4 is selling they'll probably just make random announcements month to month. Though with Jack Tretton no longer there, wonder who will be doing Sony's E3
BRocknRolla
Member
I wonder how many people in that 62% will be surprised to find they can't play Titanfall when they pick it up. If it's really that low, the Titanfall attach rate is going to be abysmal for Xbox One. (I find it hard to believe it's that low.)
They will just announce their LTD numbers, as they have been doing since PS4's launch.
That "free" Titanfall
bigboss370
Member
they were in the lead in the US so they decided to invest into a system that revolved around that.
wolrdwide though they weren't in the lead.
Graphics have to be an element of a selling point to it otherwise the WiiU wouldn't have tanked as badly as it has.
BRocknRolla
Member
Xbox brand would remain. Under new ownership, but for all the damage they've done, it's undeniably worth something.
That "free" Titanfall
Ah yeah. Hadn't even thought about that... Devious.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
The grave problem for MS at this rate is that even if XB1 is a little ahead in US NDP in March, PS4 will still be stretching for that double install base world-wide. And at this rate, PS4 will likely be at that ratio by Christmas time.
That is potentially devastating, especially when optimistic predictions from the likes of Pachter were of a 2:3 ratio for XB1 against the PS4, which is bad enough and a significant loss of market share.
No, but it does mean that everybody who wants the Xbox to fail(openly or silently) doesn't really understand how competition affects the future.
The PS4 would not be what it is if it weren't for Microsoft, for example.
I believe Microsoft will now make further strides to rectify their situation and it will be interesting to see what they do. Even if they follow in the shadow of the PS4 all generation long, so long as they sell alright, which they are so far, it could mean that they take a lot of lessons into account for the next gen and create quite an appealing package.
Pachter always seems to talk about US only. I was suprised that he mentioned the UK pricecut.
I think he meant the US.
His comment about january sales was also only about US. But we know that PS4 must have sold about 1 million or more in that month worldwide. It was probably outselling the Xbox One 4:1.
Yep. I was talking to my sister's boyfriend for almost 30 minutes about frame rate and resolution the other night, and not because I brought it up. He switched from 360 to PS4, and he was all about asking me questions and learning about the tradeoffs made with resolution and frame rate.
I was really astounded when he asked me if I was excited for The Order. I was telling him how much I love games in 1080p60, and he says, "what about the Order, it's only 30, and it has the black bars!"
I was kind of taken aback. Never in the past have I had anyone bring technical stuff up like this in what started out as a basic "what are you playing" type of conversation.
No, I thought of The Cranberries.
I think the XboxOne's use as a media center that connects other devices is... well. I dunno. I do hate having multiple systems connected to a TV, but does the Xbone really fix this issue because quite frankly a smart TV seems to be the answer with everything built in as opposed to plugging in black boxes.
Coulomb_Barrier
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What's coming after TitanFall though? It's pretty barren isn't it? I'm not privvy to the XB1's line-up post TF but I am sure there is not a significant lot coming out, exclusive-wise.
Phire Phox
Banned
Absolutely not. The Xbone had an amazing, record breaking launch and it outsold PS4 in Dec in North America. It still hasn't launched in many major countries. MS has nothing to worry about.
All that gets them is a distant second place finish.
With the weaker machine, they need price on their side. If they can't get the price below Sony, they can't catch up.
Psycho_Mantis
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Major countries?
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
I knew this thread would deliver.
Alternatively, with mattrick leaving, then shortly afterwards a new CEO, and then a new head of devices and services with Elop, you have the potential for months of drift while they work out what direction to take the business in.
Eh? Please enlighten us!
He also talked a lot about sales numbers for entire year [12mil+ for Sony, possible less than 10mil for Xbone]. He also talked how Titanfall is not a true exclusive because a lot of players will play it on PC and X360 [much larger install bases].
500k was mentioned not as total sales numbers [game will sell more of course], but as number of users that will be attracted to buy Xbone for that game only.
Do people really think Titanfall will have a big impact on the sales numbers of the Xbox One?
I don't know how it is in the US, but here in mainland Europe there is ZERO hype for that game. I have a lot of gamer friends and Titanfall NEVER gets talked about and people just don't seem to care enough, even after playing the beta.
I found it pretty meh too and I really can't see it building up a hype like COD did, where even non-gamers will be interested in playing it because everyone talks about it all the time.
I don't know how it is in the US, but here in mainland Europe there is ZERO hype for that game. I have a lot of gamer friends and Titanfall NEVER gets talked about and people just don't seem to care enough, even after playing the beta.
I found it pretty meh too and I really can't see it building up a hype like COD did, where even non-gamers will be interested in playing it because everyone talks about it all the time.
bigboss370
Member
a few ports were bad, dunno about overall gen loss. Total sales are on par with 360.
That would explain why he said a kinect-less SKU would be 2015 at the earliest.
They'll release it, it's a deceleration of intent to publishers.
If they canceled all Tier 2 launches, they'd be actively handing everywhere outside of the US to Sony, even though they're never going to compete in those places, they still need to show their face.
Facts! Who needs 'em?
Xbone's gonna kick ass in Japan. Gonna be New Zealand all over again.
Not a cloud in the sky!
Yep, I took it as "Titanfall will attract 500k people to buy Xbox One for that game only lifetime."
bigboss370
Member
what are mainland europe PS4 sales vs x1 sales? that'll be why.
So pachters estimate is a around 3 million difference only in sales over a whole year? So far we have 3 million difference in 4 months.
That makes sense, and of course they will still sell something. But with each month delay its getting an exponantially smaller crowd.
That makes sense, and of course they will still sell something. But with each month delay its getting an exponantially smaller crowd.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
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Microsoft's most successful countries last gen were the U.S. and the U.K.
They are being outsold by the ps4 in both already....
" record breaking launch "
follow by:
out sold by ps4 2:1 in its biggest and strongest market
Price cuts and free biggest game in bundle
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
Such a good launch that it has 500K+ unsold in stores.
Such a good launch that it just got a price drop in the UK.
Totally normal for an "amazing" launch.
Not to mention it's currently outsold by the PS4 in the US and UK, the only major markets that Microsoft had complete control over last generation.
dskillzhtown
keep your strippers out of my American football
You can still make a nice profit with a distant second place finish. I am not sure if all this gloom and doom talk is a reaction to Xbox One sales or a comparison to PS4 sales. It is nice to be market leader, but money can be made being #2. Either way, it just seems really early for all this kind of talk.
vxXJordanXxv
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Vanillalite
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Is MP right about his number he throws out there of 30 million out of 80 million for XBL? If so holy shit!
Pachter's numbers are actually higher than we've heard in the past. I think the assumption has always been that ~25% of all Xbox owners pay for gold.
Its not at all low when you consider that the Xbox 360 has sold 80 million units but there are only 48 million XBL users (Gold+Silver)
Ok I thought that was just America, but I dont think worldwide sales will increase, they will be either flat or a slight reduction compared to what they did last month. I cant get figures for what that was last month though. It cant be 600k because Pach would be calling it a reduction unless he's saying they will sell about 1.1 million which is insane.
SatelliteOfLove
Member
Interesting insight; internalizing now.
The Xbox division isn't a meaningful source of revenue for MS.
This is their third try, they've been second, last and now second. The console industry has a questionable future. It's just not worth it anymore. If MS aren't happy with the XBO's performance they'll sell the division.
No doubt, but that's not what Microsoft wants. The plan for the Xbone was growth in the mass market. They didn't spend $400 million dollars on the NFL deal to get core gamers to upgrade.
Let's say they sell 80 million consoles again. Same as last gen. That would be a huge failure for them.
For the next 4-5 years you are going to have to be doing this. It is a long time to be in denial, to do damage control and to try to shield yourself from reality.
I don't think it's about the console sales either.
Titanfall just is not a game regular joes will get hyped for.
It neither graphically amazing, nor does it have revolutionary gameplay elements that would make it stand out. It's a 'regular' shooter game with big-ass robots that shoot stuff, like in some bad 80s/90s sci-fi flicks, it's just meh.
