Hitokiri03
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Can someone point out whats wrong with Sony making the no DRM thing a PR stuff?
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UC4 Game Director Justin Richmond Leaves ND (And famousmortimer leaves GAF #1393)
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Air Zombie Meat
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What a thread. I can't believe you guys threw four grand at this dude.
IncandescentPrecept
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You can donate to an association for research in the meantime.
AHA-Lambda
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Woah, just started reading and Fm is banned?
What's this about ps4nodrm being a stunt? Any proof to this?
What's this about ps4nodrm being a stunt? Any proof to this?
Dreamgazer
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What, you don't like speculations?
I wouldn't call it a stunt it was Sony seeing which way the popular view was leaning and jumping aboard and taking advantage of the opening MS presented to them at E3.
It would have certainly been interesting if Sony went first at E3 2013 would they have switched it up like they did, when they saw the reaction to MS price and vison?
MutonCommander
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Ascheticism posted some proof.
travisbickle
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Are you suggesting the price point and lack of DRM in Sony's presentation were made after MS's conference, which was approx. 10 hrs before Sony's conference?
Nah. PS4nodrm was only a thing because yosp said that PS4 would not have always online way back in feb reveal, but nobody believed him.
Like almost all the major outlets were speculating that the PS4 would have DRM, and all the MS fanboys were too. Naturally the PS4 fanboys became worried.
This. Sony made it clear that the PS4 had no DRM on the level MS was rumored to have. But as you said, no one believed them. You had videogame journalists speculating that Sony will have the similar DRM like MS, but they're just waiting to drop the news. You had fanboys hoping Sony will have the same level of DRM. And you had sonyfans worried Sony will implement similar DRM.
The #NoDRM thing became one big free PR campaign for Sony because people didn't want to believe them for whatever reason when they had the PS4 conference in February 2013.
Glorified G
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FM claimed it was offline disc based drm which still doesn't make such sense to me and how it would work. The problem was the fact it was known months before X1 reveal the plans to go with drm. Fom EDGE, Kotaku, to Adam Orth. There was nothing heard from Sony at all. Shu admitted that it was all essentially good publicity and the YT vid of him and Adam Boyes was based on ps4nodrm, which btw had millions of viewers within days.
At the most if there was drm on PS4 it wasn't anything serious. The reason we heard rumors about MS was because it was a big part of their platform going forward, and the reason it was dropped was because of pre order numbers. Serious changes to alter plans for a platform based on years of research and development would not be affected by tweets.
Nothing is wrong. You would have to say they would be pretty stupid not to take advantage of it.
Hell, they won E3 just by turning up and not acting like a bunch of arseholes
IncandescentPrecept
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Does he still post here? Can't say I've ever come across him.
What the hell? I think a lot of us like to play video games and talk about video games, but as an enthusiast video game forum, a lot of us also have a passion for the industry at large and that incorporates the individuals who compose them and their change in status within the industry.
Marvel
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I find your lack of interest in the people making the games we love a sad state of affairs.
JordanN
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Evilore gave away Gaf Diamond memberships to a select few users.
I think he's using the animated png trick
He posts very rarely.
His latest truthfact was in nexgen CPU debate thread [end of page1]
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=737629
THIS.
I'll miss FamousMortimer, I had a good back and forth in PMs with him a while back, regarding the viability of a anti-microtransactions campaign similar to his NoDRM one. The ban vindicates his detractors, but after they move on to hate the next person who becomes a recognizable personality here, I feel we'll have lost something with FM's permanent dismissal. Too bad.
Chobel
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lol, do people believe that?
Cthulhu_Steev
Member
You poor thing! Having a tough day aren't you?
Where is that from anyway?
Doctor Who and the Out of Work Daleks.
To be fair, he wasn't the first one that said this.
He was doomed all along if he was pulling his top quality Sony gossip from Kevin 'Bloody' Dent's Twitter.
fastballspecial
Member
Just found out about this an hour ago. Absolutely crazy and a shame regarding everyone involved. There's no way Pete had any malicious intent with his "connecting the dots" post. I just don't see it. And hopefully everything works out for Col and his family.
Huge bummer to have everything aired out on a video game message board.
Huge bummer to have everything aired out on a video game message board.
Though you have to say that our need for wanting to know the in's and out's of a ducks arse is starting to have an detrimental effect on individual developers reputations.
Mort's recent cockup is the 2nd in recent times. Another poster recently tried to make out a ND employee was about to be fired for being incompetent (tried to make out they were a ND insider).
This 'need' for information is leading GAF down a very dangerous path and I genuinely feel sorry for the mods as they try to contain these so called 'insiders'
Chobel
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Ascheticism? Who is this guy? There's no GAF member with that name.
That I won't contest very much. I think there's a difference between discussing the implications of, say, a group of people leaving a company and building elaborate fiction based on a bunch of assumptions to raise reasons as to why that same group of people left. This thread is probably a testament to that.
This is why I've never cared much for "insiders." I've considered what they've had to say in the past, but it goes too far when there are no facts to support what they have to say, but people still take their statements as gospel.
Yeah, I can't deny feeling uncomfortable as well about having made a thread on the campaign. Pete is a good, likable guy, and I have no doubt that this first tweet was made without knowledge of Col's post and was just a very awkward coincidence. I also appreciate his apologies and self-criticizm. However, nobody can deny the irony in his/our call for more objective, critical journalism after the events in this thread. Checking sources is absolutely essential, especially when you give away names and have an exposed position. It's something that you have to be trained in, not because it is hard, but because you should never forget it before you publish stuff. Everybody makes mistakes, and that's ok, but when people's professional lives are in danger of being damaged, you realize that things are not as easy as we like to make it when we criticize gaming journalism.
I think it was just pure denial that MS could be so dumb to try to restrict games in that manner without... well, "Sony Too!" Even I was like "There was no way MS would be doing this unless Sony was doing it also." As shown by what actually happened, dumb idea gets expected backlash, while competitor gets all the praise.
MutonCommander
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TheRealTalker
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I remember the Bonus Round episodes before the presser on how Geoff was saying that consumers expect Sony to jump in as a knight in shining armor on the whole drm issue
They scoffed at him... Since everyone was convinced that Sony would follow suit even with the other evidence...
Who knows though...
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Why did Famous get banned D:
Edit: Read up... Very sorry to hear Col
Wish you my best regards for you and your family
What is this about? Who got 4 grand?
Turkishflavor
Banned
He did get quite a lot of insider info right. I think the fame got to his head, and maybe he didn't think to check his sources, or maybe he just pulled shit out of his ass or something. I don't know
It always was. Just go back and listen to some of their comments about it. They never planned to ever have the DRM ever included at anytime other than probably some of the engineers talking about it back when they were at the drawing board originally.
The fact that someone's carrier was put in jeopardy because sony took the ball and decided to run with it in order to break a stick off in MS' ass to get an early lead on PR is frightening and a little funny, honestly. Frightening due to the fact that someone could make a carrier out of the "trust" and praise such an "act" thousands of people showed upon him, and funny due to how the general community in its naivety here accepted the bullshit he was spewing simply because of it.
This whole thing is really more disparaging to gaf than it is to mort, because in the end his reach extended only as far as we allowed it to, accepting a tabloid journalist at best's rumor mill bullshit rather than the facts presented simply in the hunt to satiate our curiosity. In the end sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, but in our thirst for knowledge we essentially allowed it to be morphed into a freakish, nasty, and unrecognizable beast because the beast was more interesting than the cigar was, and that beast consumed us and hurt the carrier of someone completely innocent, and I think as a community it's best we strive never let it happen again.
TheRealTalker
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I've been doing joke posts about devs in this thread multiple times.
I am also guilty of making up speculation and guesses without any info about those said devs...
I for one am truly sorry to anyone that I have offended and will try to avoid future rubbish posts on my part in the future.
I have no right to make jokes about people's affairs, I also have no right to laugh and scoff about it under a hidden avatar.
I am completely at fault here and would like to show my deepest apology,
I am sorry
I am also guilty of making up speculation and guesses without any info about those said devs...
I for one am truly sorry to anyone that I have offended and will try to avoid future rubbish posts on my part in the future.
I have no right to make jokes about people's affairs, I also have no right to laugh and scoff about it under a hidden avatar.
I am completely at fault here and would like to show my deepest apology,
I am sorry
There is some historical revisionism going on here. You think the Yoshida articles were not also posted in the PS4NoDRM threads? You're not hot scoops because you post this now.
We had several enthusiast press people that said Sony will definitely do this. We had EDGE that was 100% sure that Sony would have an online-only console. Thousands of posts in that thread, hundreds of different posters.
Even when Sony said at E3 that they will never do that, we had people like Patrick Klepek and Jeff Gerstmann say this was a very late decision.
So stop that shit with "everyone already knew." Great that you already knew, but your post in March 2014 is nothing more than easy hindsight dressed up as analytics.
The fear that this was coming to PS4 was real and everyone that actually posted around that time know that it was a real concern for a large majority of posters.
Edit: vvv This is a separate point vvv
Everyone just pouncing on the guy all of a sudden that he was always a fake is very disconcerting. He fucked up big this time, but claiming he didn't have some form of access which he shared with us that turned out to be true is changing history.
We had several enthusiast press people that said Sony will definitely do this. We had EDGE that was 100% sure that Sony would have an online-only console. Thousands of posts in that thread, hundreds of different posters.
Even when Sony said at E3 that they will never do that, we had people like Patrick Klepek and Jeff Gerstmann say this was a very late decision.
So stop that shit with "everyone already knew." Great that you already knew, but your post in March 2014 is nothing more than easy hindsight dressed up as analytics.
The fear that this was coming to PS4 was real and everyone that actually posted around that time know that it was a real concern for a large majority of posters.
Edit: vvv This is a separate point vvv
Everyone just pouncing on the guy all of a sudden that he was always a fake is very disconcerting. He fucked up big this time, but claiming he didn't have some form of access which he shared with us that turned out to be true is changing history.
Canis lupus
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This scandal really spread like wildfire due to Dualshockers, and many more small game sites like them making a tradition of posting news stories on every gaf/twitter rumor and then submit it to n4g with the most sensationalist, outrageous topic titles to reach a bigger audence. I visit them every once in awhile and every time a twitter post from thuway is top story. It's crazy how dependant they've become on "leaks from renowned insiders".
The DRM movement was free PR. nothing more, nothing less. The same websites claiming sony would have DRM probably reported that it would have 4gb ram, right?
The price point is the only one where they could adjust it (going lower) after hearing what MS would announce. However, they priced it higher than expected and the PS4 didnt have to drop any lower than the original price point.
The price point is the only one where they could adjust it (going lower) after hearing what MS would announce. However, they priced it higher than expected and the PS4 didnt have to drop any lower than the original price point.
I think this was just a case of somebody getting too big for their boots for the online fame. We should never take one side of the story at face value (as exciting as that is), as the person who doesn't get their say gets hurt.
We can say we'll learn the lessons, and this won't happen again, but it's only a matter of time sadly. Our thirst for information, combined with NeoGAFs general lack of knowledge on how things work behind the scenes (despite many thinking the contrary. Armchair Developers are rife on this forum) is not a good combination.
We can say we'll learn the lessons, and this won't happen again, but it's only a matter of time sadly. Our thirst for information, combined with NeoGAFs general lack of knowledge on how things work behind the scenes (despite many thinking the contrary. Armchair Developers are rife on this forum) is not a good combination.
Thanks for the link, didn't know about that.
These message board "insiders" just make me appreciate a guy like Patrick Klepik a lot more. Someone that actually sees things through the lens of a journalist.
Chobel
Member
Damn!
kinoki
Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
I get making fun of Don Mattrick. Everything from Bosman's mattricks to the submariner-jokes. What I don't get is the Druckmann-jokes or even the coming after developers who just do their jobs. Sometimes developers make decisions that gaming media picks up on or aren't talented enough at our jobs. We as NeoGAF owe it to them not to stoop to name-calling and antagonise them.
This series of events should be used to have some introspection about what it means to discuss developers and project and the individuals that make up the high profile positions.
Famousmortimer being banned should not be seen as a burnt offering that has now been cast from the village and now everything is dandy.
The fear was real, which is what the motivation for the campaign was. I didn't even participate in it, but to deny that the ones that did were doing it due to legitimate concerns is just wrong.
They're incompetent though.
Sony had confirmed offline play and used games after the February announcement.
It's not revisionist at all, it was never going to happen, it was confirmed it was never going to happen, and a handful of sensationalism was the only reason people doubted it.
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