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Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 |OT4| Nothing Stops This Patch!
- Thread starter enzo_gt
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This. Always look for the dumbest/insanest/craziest solution before looking at the simplest one. Craaazzzy~!
I'll probably use both, though. The main problem I'd have using XF is that I've had X-Factor activations vary in timing when I record/playback(and I would use record/playback to get Vergil in mostly the right spot every time) so the results may or may not be accurate. It'd be good to test alongside, at least.
The Mango Sentinel
Member
Dante question
If you do your basic cr.L M H Stinger Bold Cancel and you accidentally get Crystal but you wanted Volcano, is there anything you can get off of that? Whenever I screw up and get Crystal I always go Devil Trigger to see if I can get something, but I'm either too slow or nothing works. I haven't really put extensive time into training to find anything out, but I figured you would know.
Snapback probably works(haven't really tested, but it should. Hitstun shouldn't have decayed that much by then), and Devil Trigger into something works too if you're quick enough(best to just go right into Reverb Shock, since that's the quickest thing he's got, and you'll get advantage either way). Other than that, Million Dollars.
The Mango Sentinel
Member
Hmm... snapback. I think I'll actually put in some lab time when I get off work today. Though whatever I figure out I probably won't apply for about 5 months. I just recently (maybe 3 months ago) started using fireworks mid screen even though I learned it a long ass time ago. Shit is pretty useful combined with some assists.
Flying High
Member
Hey guys, just letting you guys know I am doing a Xbox Live UMVC3 tournament next tuesday at 10PM EST, if you want to find out more or want to sign up the info/signup link in here: http://www.reddit.com/r/MvC3/comments/2198zn/the_umvc3_biweeklyxbox_360_only_is_back_it_is/
Karsticles
Member
Post it in FGW, too.
Shame about your connection Karst. It's never been that bad before. It was seriously laggy.
I'm willing to try again if I'm still on when you get back online later.
Karsticles
Member
I have been trying with no success.
This has turned into training mode night.
A new team that has 300% team unblockables with no Skrull? Mmmm.
Damn, work Tuesday night next week. Can't access the link, but will it be streamed?
The cheap stuff.
Is there an updated list of projectile properties/durability anywhere? I know sixfortyfive did one for vanilla...
Flying High
Member
It should hopefully be streamed, and I will post it the night of before it starts about the stream
Some crazy matches showcased in here:
http://youtu.be/9DrjYjMZHsI?t=14m19s
Skip the random rants/drama stuff in between.
http://youtu.be/9DrjYjMZHsI?t=14m19s
Skip the random rants/drama stuff in between.
So, I'm completely addicted to this game. Play it too many hours a day and lord knows when I will be playing any other games on my backlog... Thanks Capcom!
Anyway, I've been reading Shoryuken's MVC3 Wiki to level up my game, and there's some cool stuff in there such as:
It's Gold, Jerry. Gold...
Anyway, I've been reading Shoryuken's MVC3 Wiki to level up my game, and there's some cool stuff in there such as:
It's Gold, Jerry. Gold...
That scenario will never happen in a real match though. It could theoretically happen but not at all likely.
But the game has much crazier stuff than that. Tip of the iceberg really.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
I saw shit like that happen from time to time back in vanilla.
BURN ALL OF THE METERS!
The Mango Sentinel
Member
The game is definitely addicting and it's good to hear you're enjoying it. Just don't get too upset about the Zero and Vergil shitbirds that scrub out their wins, cause it will happen a lot.
JohnPauliuk
Neo Member
Hey, I'm kind of new here. I run a Ryu/Shuma shell. I really enjoy using Ryu's Denjin mode which I know by everyone's standards sucks and I should never use it blah, blah, blah. Regardless I have grown to love it and having Mystic Ray behind Ryu really helps it in the neutral because the 15% speed boost helps me get in quickly and Mystic Ray can help against flying foes. My question is who should my last character be. I'm thinking of starting this character on point then DHC into Denjin or just having Ryu start on point. I want an assist the may be exclusive to Ryu within his Denjin mode. I am looking for either: a combo extender that isn't OTG, something to help me reset or mix up, or another neutral assist that works really well with the speed boost. Any sort of help would be wonderful. I have a Denjin combo now that nets I think a .4 meter loss and does 930,000
Yea, I know. I'm a very patient person, and I don't mind the Marvel shenanigans. I'll just keep playing until I get better.
It is tough to always get bodied by Vergil, and especially Hidden missiles and Sentinel force causing me to be in a quasi-infinite block stun, lol.
Karsticles
Member
Hey, new faces!
There is a spreadsheet in the OP with everyone's GT/ID. Add yourself in and friend some folks. I am up for games right now if anyone wants to go.
Edit: also, of anyone ever tires fighting one of my teams, feel free to ask me to switch it up. I understand that Firebrand isn't any better than Zero sometimes...
There is a spreadsheet in the OP with everyone's GT/ID. Add yourself in and friend some folks. I am up for games right now if anyone wants to go.
Edit: also, of anyone ever tires fighting one of my teams, feel free to ask me to switch it up. I understand that Firebrand isn't any better than Zero sometimes...
Karsticles
Member
Still at work... Dat 9-5!
I browse GAF on breaks.
Do you think your Internet is fixed Karst?
I don't have much advice on Shuma since I don't play him. However you can't go wrong with a good beam assist.Hey, I'm kind of new here. I run a Ryu/Shuma shell. I really enjoy using Ryu's Denjin mode which I know by everyone's standards sucks and I should never use it blah, blah, blah. Regardless I have grown to love it and having Mystic Ray behind Ryu really helps it in the neutral because the 15% speed boost helps me get in quickly and Mystic Ray can help against flying foes. My question is who should my last character be. I'm thinking of starting this character on point then DHC into Denjin or just having Ryu start on point. I want an assist the may be exclusive to Ryu within his Denjin mode. I am looking for either: a combo extender that isn't OTG, something to help me reset or mix up, or another neutral assist that works really well with the speed boost. Any sort of help would be wonderful. I have a Denjin combo now that nets I think a .4 meter loss and does 930,000
You could run something like Ryu/Doom/Shuma with doom on Plasma beam assist. Plasma beam is good for neutral and combo extension, plus you can TAC into Doom infinites and can safely DHC Ryu out if needed.
I wonder if Karst has any advice, he begrudgingly plays Shuma.
Karsticles
Member
I know my internet is fixed. It was apparently an issue with my area, and Comcast fixed it all up. I played over 100 matches yesterday.Still at work... Dat 9-5!
I browse GAF on breaks.
Do you think your Internet is fixed Karst?
I don't have much advice on Shuma since I don't play him. However you can't go wrong with a good beam assist.
You could run something like Ryu/Doom/Shuma with doom on Plasma beam assist. Plasma beam is good for neutral and combo extension, plus you can TAC into Doom infinites and can safely DHC Ryu out if needed.
I wonder if Karst has any advice, he begrudgingly plays Shuma.
My big thing with giving team advice is this: I want a list of characters you want to play. It is too much to go through the entire cast and make suggestions. If you insist on using Shuma-Gorath, do not anchor him. He is actually decent on point and second, but he is an awful anchor. Dr. Strange is arguably his best partner, along with Taskmaster. Both of those work well with Ryu, too.
JohnPauliuk
Neo Member
I'm more looking for things for my Ryu. I find myself using his Denjin mode a lot for cancels or to take frame advantage. I picked up Shuma to cover a lot of Ryu's weaknesses and I can use the OTG in Denjin because Ryu can reach the ground quick enough. I kind of line that it's semi exclusive to Ryu in his Denjin mode. I'm kind of looking for another assist like that.
JohnPauliuk
Neo Member
I know my internet is fixed. It was apparently an issue with my area, and Comcast fixed it all up. I played over 100 matches yesterday.
My big thing with giving team advice is this: I want a list of characters you want to play. It is too much to go through the entire cast and make suggestions. If you insist on using Shuma-Gorath, do not anchor him. He is actually decent on point and second, but he is an awful anchor. Dr. Strange is arguably his best partner, along with Taskmaster. Both of those work well with Ryu, too.
I'm willing to learn most characters but there are some I'm not fond of using which are: Chun, Vergil, Dante, Zero, Haggar, Strange, Nemesis, Strider, Doom. I'm fine with the rest of the cast.
Here is an example of my BNB: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ijBatTLXd4Y
Karsticles
Member
Give Taskmaster a shot. Sentinel is also an interesting choice.
The Mango Sentinel
Member
Man after reading your previous post I definitely would've recommended Dante or Strange. Jam Session and Bolts are just so good. Rocket Raccoon has two really solid assists too. Sentinel is great too but it's a rough road. Then again you're using Ryu and Shuma, so you're already gonna be working hard.
Karsticles
Member
Rocket Raccoon is also a good third, agreed.
JohnPauliuk
Neo Member
I do my best to work with Denjin mode. I try my best and I know how to use it with many assists but a lot of people just want to tell me how dumb I am for believing its unexplored to its fullest. I find Shuma to be my utility assist. I really want another assist that will allow my goals to shine. Even if that means using a character I don't want to.
Karsticles
Member
You keep saying you want your goals to shine, but it isn't clear what that all means in practice. The three characters I suggested are likely your best options for Ryu.
JohnPauliuk
Neo Member
I'll give them a try and see what I can do. Thank you.
The Mango Sentinel
Member
I don't think it's dumb at all and I totally respect that you wanna fully explore your character, but like Karsticles said, your goals aren't exactly clear. I would definitely like to understand though, so I could offer better advice.
JohnPauliuk
Neo Member
I really want to do optimized Denjin combos. I am just looking for a good way to open people up with Ryu. Any assist that can help with that would be wonderful. I know I can edit my combo to do more damage. I just need a way for me to be able to set up on my opponent.
The assists I'm looking at are: Felicia Sand Splash, Ghost Rider Hellfire, Iron Man Unibeam, Tron Gunstaff, Dante Crystal, Hulk Gamma Charge.
The assists I'm looking at are: Felicia Sand Splash, Ghost Rider Hellfire, Iron Man Unibeam, Tron Gunstaff, Dante Crystal, Hulk Gamma Charge.
shaowebb
Member
Use Wesker low shot as backup. It sets up great high low mixups for Ryu as well as offering him a sick OTG extension. Chris G used to rock it and the damage is incredible. Other than that Ryu pretty much just rocks the air L Tatsu and overhead all day for his openers. Also I will vouch for Sentinel Ryu working well together. Drones do some good stuff. Not only do they offer some support to mobility but if you call drone assist on a low air Shinko hadoken they manage to juggle the opponent long enough for you to extend the air combo afterwards. Always a good thing when you got tools to continue a combo after air shinko that dont involve spending another bar.
Tabasco
Member
I was hyped for ultimate before it came out but I was never good at the game.
How is it usually played? Do you guys just try to stay alive for as long as possible by defending yourself with attacks or is the objective to find loopholes in the enemy's defense and combo accordingly?
I never understood how to play 3 on 3 fighters, since it was so confusing on using team assists in combos and what not.
How is it usually played? Do you guys just try to stay alive for as long as possible by defending yourself with attacks or is the objective to find loopholes in the enemy's defense and combo accordingly?
I never understood how to play 3 on 3 fighters, since it was so confusing on using team assists in combos and what not.
Karsticles
Member
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vkeKkrxoT8M
Watch some high level play. It will answer your question better than words.
Edit: looks like John is popular on GFAQs:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/637240-ultimate-marvel-vs-capcom-3/68849221
Started working on my first CMV. Here's a WIP of the intro: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3bsxEioad8
The Mango Sentinel
Member
I definitely like Unibeam and Crystal. The issue you might have is that the assists that give you the most optimized combos may not help you with opening people up. You'd have to do some crazy experimenting if you're going purely for optimization. There are so many assists that are unused because they serve very few purposes.
JohnPauliuk
Neo Member
Haha, I prefer /r/MVC3 on reddit. They actually are interested in what Denjin can do. http://www.reddit.com/r/MvC3/comments/218mtv/weekly_discussion_thread_270314/
And this is why I avoid GameFAQs. Reading through that gave me a headache. What a bunch of assholes and morons.
I do agree that I don't find Shuma assist to be great for Ryu in the neutral but I haven't messed around with it much. Maybe Ryu/Shuma/Rocket Raccoon (Spitfire) or Sentinel is probably the best you can do with that shell. Don't think you can do double Shinkuu with Spitfire assist but Shuma gets some really nice pressure off of it, plus RR's an amazing anchor if you have the execution for it.
I always felt Tatsu assist is best for Ryu personally, but I don't feel Shuma's too great with Akuma.
kevo_huevo
Member
THE CHAIRMAN OF WCW!
I just let my first two characters die... turn on XF3 + Devil Trigger with Vergil and then win the game.
Real answer: The best way to play is in fact what is described in the latter portion of your question. If you are blocking in this game then you are also losing. The player who is performing the pressure (whether it be from a distance by making them block projectiles or up close performing mix ups) is usually the one who is winning even despite health differential.
JohnPauliuk
Neo Member
Who are some characters who really benefit by having Mystic Ray back them up?
I'd say Dorm, Wolverine, Spencer, Spiderman, Hulk benefit from it most.
You think Iron Fist would too? I would imagine it's helpful in the neutral, for air grabs and maybe even in combos.
Eh I'd rather have bolts or tatsu if I was using Iron Fist, and having Strange or Akuma AND Shuma doesn't seem too great to me.