But usually when a game sells a lot, it attracts more people and if a game is exclusive it could help push them towards the system. So it is a system seller.
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PAL Charts - Week 14, 2014
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But usually when a game sells a lot, it attracts more people and if a game is exclusive it could help push them towards the system. So it is a system seller.
Dragonborn
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I suppose. I'm going to wait to hear some Titanfall figures.
Would you call inFamous a system seller?
Only slightly, I think most of the sales during the launch of infamous came from more stock. So we will never know what impact had. But if word of mouth is good It could sway some more people just likle titan fall is dong.
Minecraft as a game is totally a killer app. When it was available for 360, but not on PS3. It was killer exclusive (console) app.
If the phrase is that subjective, then why even use that phrase? It just makes the conversation more confusing.
Edit: ditto for "system seller".
SwiftDeath
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In my opinion, it is most productive to talk about the value proposition a console has and how new games add to that. Allows one to differentiate between the effect an actual exclusive has and the effect a console or timed or whatever exclusive have, seeing how both types will add to the value proposition of a console
But call of duty is the reason xbox 360 sales would explode during the holidays and mine-craft pushes causal sales?
Dragonborn
Member
But the same thing could be said for Titanfall. You could say most of it's sales came from it being bundled for free + the price cuts throughout March in NA and the UK.
That's why it's so hard to determine what a Killer App is, and tbh, the only games I'd consider Killer Apps are Halo for Xbox and GT for PlayStation.
So no to Black Ops even if its sold the same? Anyway, I agree that it just blurs any convo and causes circular discussion either way.
That is also very subjective. We already have folks claiming one console has more value than other using completely subjective (and at times arbitrary) merits. Case in point: "Xbone has more and better exclusives".
I did not address it because I didn't understand your argument regrading it. Having said that, as far as MS is concerned every game in the Call of Duty franchise was a killer app for 360. Not only did it sells like hot cakes, but also kept people locked into XBL.
If don't think that's a killer app, then we have completely different definition. So, our conversation is kind of pointless...
Edit: sorry for the double posts.
Dragonborn
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Doesn't COD sell pretty evenly on 360/PS3. I'm sure the 360 is ahead by a bit, but it sells a crap load on PS3 as well.
I used Black Ops as an example since it has reportedly sold pretty much the same on 360 & PS3 globally. So if you're calling that a killer app it's just further clarification of the definition being completely fubar in my eyes. No biggie.
Last time I checked it was doing 3:1 in favor of 360 in the US. I don't know about rest of the world.
If it is doing similar numbers for PS3 in the rest of the world, then it was more of a killer app than most of their exclusives.
Also, I think that FIFA is bigger in Europe, and moves more PS3 units in Europe than any other game.
It sold the same globally but COD sells most in US and that is were it sold 360s.
I never post this so I'll do it this week. Along with the weekly top 50, GamesMarkt also publishes the software percentage by platform for the best-selling 100 games of the year.
Germany:
Top 100 Best-Selling Games of 2014
(01.01.2014 - 23.03.2014)
PS3 - 30,6%
PC - 22%
3DS - 11,3%
360 - 10,9%
PS4 - 8,3%
WII - 8,3%
WIU - 2,9%
Rest of Platforms - 5,7%
Just to clarify, when I used to post the GamesMarkt Top 100, these percentages were for the number of games per platform which made the top 100 each week YTD. For example week 14 equals 100 x 14 positions or a potential 1400 positions. Thus, if PS3 had 428 Top 100 games during the first 14 weeks of the year it would have 30.6% share. I assume this methodology is still used. Apologies if that was already known, but thought it might be misinterpreted as a Top 100 unit sales percentage.
Multiplayer being free on PS3 helped immensely for the userbase to catch up to 360.
SwiftDeath
Member
Right it most certainly is but it clearly indicates the subjective nature of the discussion as there is no objective way to evaluate which system is better overall or even in most cases in specific categories.
People use "system seller" and "killer app" as they are easy ways to get across their general point but I find those terms are far too flawed to lead to any meaningful discussion whereas discussing the value props of products tends to keep discussions on the same page for the most part, maybe that's just me though.
Which heavily suggests multiple console owners this gen will be far far less imo
dragonbane
Member
Are you talking to me? I was never born...
How many copies of Dead Rising do you have?
Miles Quaritch
Member
SwiftDeath
Member
Oh you two 
That's impressive. Well done Microsoft.
SwiftDeath
Member
When did Amazon price match to 349 pounds anyway?
The TF bundle is still trailing on Amazon on the monthly best sellers
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/bestsellers/2014-03/videogames/?tag=viglink129408-20#1
11 PS4 versus 29 TF bundle
So it's clearly a recent change due to the price cut
The TF bundle is still trailing on Amazon on the monthly best sellers
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/bestsellers/2014-03/videogames/?tag=viglink129408-20#1
11 PS4 versus 29 TF bundle
So it's clearly a recent change due to the price cut
Dragonborn
Member
Of course, as soon as the price goes back up, it'll drop back down. I guess all it took was a 70 pound price drop (which is what, 100+, along with a free bundled game). Pretty crazy that this is what they have to do.
TheRealTalker
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Yes, it happened just yesterday so of course it is getting a boost from that. Now let's see if it stays there for several days or even more.
yep... thats what happens when you drop the price by >$220 from original (80 GBP drop for console price + 50 GBP game).
I imagine if they start selling same bundle for $400 in US, XB1 would sell a lot better too.
Graphics Horse
Member
It's April now...
But it's 50th in April's chart so you can see why they're dropping the price.
Graphics Horse
Member
Well I think the next thing to drop will be Kinect, they can be very competitive if they need to be.
SwiftDeath
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Wow that's an embarrassing mistake
April's Bestsellers'
Yikes at the PS4 as 2nd versus the TF bundle as 50th
Graphics Horse
Member
Maybe if you've been checking March's chart every few days to see what changed, heheh
Mistake?
Dragonborn
Member
Then MS goes back to square one. Sony said they built the PS4 with quick price cuts in mind, so if the X1 goes down to $399 and starts selling well, Sony might just drop the price a bit themselves. They'll have price advantage for this whole gen, much like MS did last time (unless they drop Kinect).
SwiftDeath
Member
I meant that I looked at the March list instead of the April list
Miles Quaritch
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Sooo...FIFA to remain in the top spot?
I think we'll see a small bump for PS4 software, noticed quite a few PS4s in the wild over the weekend, not to mention a few Argos' moving out their clearance stock.
I think we'll see a small bump for PS4 software, noticed quite a few PS4s in the wild over the weekend, not to mention a few Argos' moving out their clearance stock.
Graphics Horse
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Titanfall will be top of all formats I think...
Miles Quaritch
Member
Ah yes, totally forgot about the various £349 bundles over the past week. I think you may be right...
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
The 360 release as well.
Miles Quaritch
Member
My brain is still scattered from a late night.
I think we'll see it hit the top ten, but then there's been no advertising for it nor have I seen it on any shelves either...
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
I hope they give us the 360/XB1 split, not holding my breath though.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Yup, looks like Graphic was right on the money. TF retook the top spot.
https://www.chart-track.co.uk/index.jsp?c=p/software/uk/latest/index_test.jsp&ct=110015
And wow at the 360 version...
https://www.chart-track.co.uk/index.jsp?c=p/software/uk/latest/index_test.jsp&ct=110032
Goddamn. Didn't expect it to come in at number 1. X1 position still holding strong at no.2.
https://www.chart-track.co.uk/index.jsp?c=p/software/uk/latest/index_test.jsp&ct=110015
And wow at the 360 version...
https://www.chart-track.co.uk/index.jsp?c=p/software/uk/latest/index_test.jsp&ct=110032
Goddamn. Didn't expect it to come in at number 1. X1 position still holding strong at no.2.
I wow'd at 6 of the top 10 being 360 titles. That machine has some serious software selling strength. Still.
7 titles apiece for the two next gen consoles.
Nintendo banished from the charts entirely.
Whaaaat? 360 install base is massive here, people will have been waiting for this for weeks. I know loads of people without next gen console that just arnt ready to jump in yet and bought tf 360 and loving it.
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
The fact it will be out of date soon with no update put me off or I might have bought it.
TF is popular but it does seem there is demand for the XB1 at PS4 pricing.