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[Duane Cunningham]

I saw this happen on another forum (The Coli), where a poster guessed LF did it and book readers accused him of spoiling things. Which thus spoiled everyone in the thread.

Sure, nobody is going over there and calling anyone out or anything. Nor should they. Part of the fun of this thread is seeing the reactions of "The Unsullied" whether it's the people in that thread, or people we know in IRL. So it only stands to reason that dubious posters in that thread would get noticed, too. But nobody from this thread is going to go over there and yell "STOP RIGHT THERE" or anything. Noticing it here a little bit is only natural and part of the fun, though. But as the mods have said, it shouldn't be the focus of this thread.

I think the occasional eyeroll over here and "look at this guy mentioning details that were only in the book" are pretty unavoidable.

I can't stand to listen to those two whiners normally but I might make an exception for episode 2. How have they reacted to Episodes written by GRRM in the past?

No kidding, this week they accuse D&D of likely being responsible for the parts of the episode where GRRM deviates from the book, haha. And mention all over again that the parts of Blackwater they didn't like were a product of showrunner interference.

EDIT: Oops, I meant to link to the second episode up there, not the first http://www.westeros.org/GoT/Episodes/Entry/The_Lion_and_the_Rose/Book_Spoilers/

 

[Cornballer]

After some discussion with other moderators, we're going to start cracking down on some of the meta-commentary, insults, and rule-whining in here. These two threads are intended for discussion of the television show, not drumming up some sort of a cross-forum rivalry over whether you've read the books or not. Let's make an attempt to be nicer and more civil. Knock off the insults directed at other posters and the other thread. Stop complaining about how things are structured and how you saw a poster in the other thread do such and such. In general, stick to discussing the show, and if you have an issue with something PM a moderator about it. There are a number of us reading through the two threads, and derails, jerky behavior, and other nonsense will be dealt with appropriately.

 

[Cornballer]

- THR: 'Game of Thrones' Purple Wedding Episode Breaks Piracy Record

The second episode of season four, which aired on HBO on Sunday, triggered the largest BitTorrent swarm ever, breaking the record for the most people sharing a file simultaneously via the system, according to TorrentFreak.

Hours after the "Purple Wedding" episode became available online, 193,418 people shared one single torrent. Additionally, at the time of the record torrent, 145,594 had a complete copy and continued to upload, while 47,824 were still downloading the file.

The previous record for a BitTorrent swarm was set last year -- by the Game of Thrones season finale, with 171,572 users.

 

[PhoenixDark]

After some discussion with other moderators, we're going to start cracking down on some of the meta-commentary, insults, and rule-whining in here. These two threads are intended for discussion of the television show, not drumming up some sort of a cross-forum rivalry over whether you've read the books or not. Let's make an attempt to be nicer and more civil. Knock off the insults directed at other posters and the other thread. Stop complaining about how things are structured and how you saw a poster in the other thread do such and such. In general, stick to discussing the show, and if you have an issue with something PM a moderator about it. There are a number of us reading through the two threads, and derails, jerky behavior, and other nonsense will be dealt with appropriately.

I appreciate the transparency and focus on telling us how/why mod polcies are going to work.

(as long as I can still troll Sansa fans)

 

[CambriaRising]

Didn't one of the producers or something celebrate the fact that they are the most pirated show?

 

[crimzonflame]

I know the other lannister child is dorne but why wasn't she at the wedding?

 

[DrForester]

I know the other lannister child is dorne but why wasn't she at the wedding?

They wouldn't risk the Lannisters trying to get her back.

 

[kris.]

Didn't one of the producers or something celebrate the fact that they are the most pirated show?

pretty sure someone from HBO explicitly stated that they don't give a damn if their shows are pirated or something. they're just stoked that people love their shows i guess. which is really cool of them.

 

[Showaddy]

Didn't one of the producers or something celebrate the fact that they are the most pirated show?

Yeah HBO don't give a fuck, from their point of view it's just more people who will help keep the show relevant and possibly buy merchandise.

 

[Duane Cunningham]

I bet starting the HBO Go version an hour later than usual contributed to it big time.

 

[Calamari41]

The perfect way to bring back Catelyn would actually be:
Brotherhood comes accoss her body, Beric wants to give the kiss of life. Thoros says it won't work, it's been too long. She is dead. Beric starts crying/etc etc
Go to the Littlefinger and Sansa. Talks about his mom, kisses her. Lyssa comes up, they have their convo, "I have only ever loved one woman..." pushes her out..."Only Cat"
Pan to brotherhood, we see Catelyn rise up, Beric dead beside her, eyes red with fury screaming Walder Frey's name

End with some Stark music or something.

Actually, that is possible this season right?

I'm sorry, but this would be absolutely horrible. The Stoneheart reveal needs to be just that: a reveal. It will be stupid to have it build itself up into a climax of a Frankenstein waking up/Darth Vader "Noooo!" moment.

The last scene needs to play out like the book. Close with her removing her hood after Lem gives his speech, revealing to a gasping audience who she is. Then she nods, and the body drops.

 

[General_Frags]

I know the other lannister child is dorne but why wasn't she at the wedding?

She's due to be married to Prince Tristan, Tyrion arrange the marriage in Season 2 to prevent Dorne from raising their banners against the Iron Throne.

 

[Faddy]

Yeah HBO don't give a fuck, from their point of view it's just more people who will help keep the show relevant and possibly buy merchandise.

Plus enhanced international rights which can be sold wholesale to other broadcasters for a hefty price.

 

[_Ryo_]

I posted it was a great episode in the other thread, hopefully that's allowed!

 

[gutshot]

I bet starting the HBO Go version an hour later than usual contributed to it big time.

The funny thing is it went up right on time. I think that tweet was just a clever ploy to lessen the massive load that must occur right at 9 PM.

 

[gspec]

I know the other lannister child is dorne but why wasn't she at the wedding?

Because she is basically a hostage. This is what the family of westeros do for a number of reasons.

 

[PhoenixDark]

I'd handle the reveal by first having a Small Council scene where Varys notes the Brotherhood continues to harass Lannister troops in the Riverlands. Tywin then questions how Beric is still alive, given the reports he has received from the Mountain. Varys says that apparently the group is led by a woman now. [Maybe have Cersei jokingly wonder whether it's Brienne of Tarth.]

The second mention could happen as Brienne and Pod search for Sansa. Perhaps have a villager noting the Brotherhood's activity, and again mentioning they have a female leader now.

Actual reveal scene: Brienne is ambushed, similar to what happened in AFFC, and saved by the Brotherhood, who then accuse her of working for the Lannisters. They drag her to their camp for "justice" and then the scene will play out similar to what happened in AFFC.

 

[Kerned]

I'd handle the reveal by first having a Small Council scene where Varys notes the Brotherhood continues to harass Lannister troops in the Riverlands. Tywin then questions how Beric is still alive, given the reports he has received from the Mountain. Varys says that apparently the group is led by a woman now. [Maybe have Cersei jokingly wonder whether it's Brienne of Tarth.]

The second mention could happen as Brienne and Pod search for Sansa. Perhaps have a villager noting the Brotherhood's activity, and again mentioning they have a female leader now.

Actual reveal scene: Brienne is ambushed, similar to what happened in AFFC, and saved by the Brotherhood, who then accuse her of working for the Lannisters. They drag her to their camp for "justice" and then the scene will play out similar to what happened in AFFC.

Really? You would skip the riverside resurrection scene? But that scene is soooo good, and it would totally blow the minds of the non-readers!

 

[Calamari41]

Really? You would skip the riverside resurrection scene? But that scene is soooo good, and it would totally blow the minds of the non-readers!

There is no riverside resurrection scene in the books. At least there isn't one before the reveal. It is only told well after the fact, if I recall. Seeing it happen would take away all of the oomph.

I can't for the life of me understand why people want something other than the way the book did it. One of the most perfectly executed chapters in all five books.

 

[Trasher]

After some discussion with other moderators, we're going to start cracking down on some of the meta-commentary, insults, and rule-whining in here. These two threads are intended for discussion of the television show, not drumming up some sort of a cross-forum rivalry over whether you've read the books or not. Let's make an attempt to be nicer and more civil. Knock off the insults directed at other posters and the other thread. Stop complaining about how things are structured and how you saw a poster in the other thread do such and such. In general, stick to discussing the show, and if you have an issue with something PM a moderator about it. There are a number of us reading through the two threads, and derails, jerky behavior, and other nonsense will be dealt with appropriately.

So do we have to spoiler tag speculation based on possible reveals in previews and such in here? Or are we free reign on any information floating around about the show that can come from previews, interviews/hints from the cast about what's possibly upcoming, leaks, etc?

 

[Eidan]

Really? You would skip the riverside resurrection scene? But that scene is soooo good, and it would totally blow the minds of the non-readers!

Why show the actual resurrection? The reveal of Catelyn as the leader of the BWB has a lot more punch without it.

 

[General_Frags]

Because she is basically a hostage. This is what the family of westeros do for a number of reasons.

She isn't, didn't you read my post above.

She's due to be married to Prince Tristan, Tyrion arrange the marriage in Season 2 to prevent Dorne from raising their banners against the Iron Throne.

 

[Kerned]

There is no riverside resurrection scene in the books. At least there isn't one before the reveal. It is only told well after the fact, if I recall. Seeing it happen would take away all of the oomph.

I know it's not a POV scene in the books, but it seems to me like that is exactly the sort of scene that gets worked into the show. Personally, I think it's almost guaranteed to be in the show, it honestly never occurred to me that they would do it any other way.

edit: of course now that I have typed all that out some chronology problems occurred to me. If they were to hold off until the last episode, that would mean Cat was laying dead on the side of the river for a loooooong time. Probably wouldn't work, would it? Damn.

 

[Memento Mori]

There is no riverside resurrection scene in the books. At least there isn't one before the reveal. It is only told well after the fact, if I recall. Seeing it happen would take away all of the oomph.

I can't for the life of me understand why people want something other than the way the book did it. One of the most perfectly executed chapters in all five books.

Yeah the one thing we see in the books before the epilogue is Arya's direwolf dragging an unnamed woman's corpse out of the river before people arrive.

 

[The Artful Dodger]

I know it's not a POV scene in the books, but it seems to me like that is exactly the sort of scene that gets worked into the show. Personally, I think it's almost guaranteed to be in the show, it honestly never occurred to me that they would do it any other way.

I felt like if it was worked in, it would've been the last scene of last season.

 

[Trasher]

I know it's not a POV scene in the books, but it seems to me like that is exactly the sort of scene that gets worked into the show. Personally, I think it's almost guaranteed to be in the show, it honestly never occurred to me that they would do it any other way.

They have to do it a different way in my opinion. It would be too confusing for people who don't actually see what happens with Beric and how he brings her back. I'd bet my avatar on that shit.

 

[Kerned]

I felt like if it was worked in, it would've been the last scene of last season.

Yeah, I edited my previous post. You're right, it probably would have had to have been last season's finale. Oh well, I think it could have been cool, but last season would have been way too soon for it to have any impact.

 

[Calamari41]

I know it's not a POV scene in the books, but it seems to me like that is exactly the sort of scene that gets worked into the show. Personally, I think it's almost guaranteed to be in the show, it honestly never occurred to me that they would do it any other way.

edit: of course now that I have typed all that out some chronology problems occurred to me. If they were to hold off until the last episode, that would mean Cat was laying dead on the side of the river for a loooooong time. Probably wouldn't work, would it? Damn.

I just think it would be a huge mistake to take one of the iconic, most well-executed shock moments of the entire series and turn it into yet another painfully over-explained scene, like "here's what we're doing now, this is Cat and we are going to resurrect her. Ok it's happening now. Ok, she is now resurrected." To me, as I said before, closing on the shocking reveal and her order to kill the Frey is the only way to do it.

 

[Cornballer]

So do we have to spoiler tag speculation based on possible reveals in previews and such in here? Or are we free reign on any information floating around about the show that can come from previews, interviews/hints from the cast about what's possibly upcoming, leaks, etc?

For the most part it's a free-for-all in here, but please spoiler tag TWoW chapter information as well as any major deviations from the books. Preview discussion should be ok for the most part.

 

[The Artful Dodger]

Yeah, I edited my previous post. You're right, it probably would have had to have been last season's finale. Oh well, I think it could have been cool, but last season would have been way too soon for it to have any impact.

I would've have Beric do the magic thing, fall down, obviously dead and the camera pan over to her body, up past her slashed throat, then her eyes would open. Abrupt Cut to credits.

 

[fallengorn]

I'd handle the reveal by first having a Small Council scene where Varys notes the Brotherhood continues to harass Lannister troops in the Riverlands. Tywin then questions how Beric is still alive, given the reports he has received from the Mountain. Varys says that apparently the group is led by a woman now. [Maybe have Cersei jokingly wonder whether it's Brienne of Tarth.]

The second mention could happen as Brienne and Pod search for Sansa. Perhaps have a villager noting the Brotherhood's activity, and again mentioning they have a female leader now.

Actual reveal scene: Brienne is ambushed, similar to what happened in AFFC, and saved by the Brotherhood, who then accuse her of working for the Lannisters. They drag her to their camp for "justice" and then the scene will play out similar to what happened in AFFC.

That sounds pretty good. I want to see a tree filled with hanged Freys. Would be a nice grisly visual.

 

[The Artful Dodger]

I'd handle the reveal by first having a Small Council scene where Varys notes the Brotherhood continues to harass Lannister troops in the Riverlands. Tywin then questions how Beric is still alive, given the reports he has received from the Mountain. Varys says that apparently the group is led by a woman now. [Maybe have Cersei jokingly wonder whether it's Brienne of Tarth.]

The second mention could happen as Brienne and Pod search for Sansa. Perhaps have a villager noting the Brotherhood's activity, and again mentioning they have a female leader now.

Actual reveal scene: Brienne is ambushed, similar to what happened in AFFC, and saved by the Brotherhood, who then accuse her of working for the Lannisters. They drag her to their camp for "justice" and then the scene will play out similar to what happened in AFFC.

Yeah this would play out nicely.

 

[Calamari41]

The way the epilogue did it even has the added benefit of letting Lem vaguely explain what happened, building up the suspense and fear until she finally throws back the hood.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

I think a nice way would to be build it up slowly; have small mentions, as you say at the Small Council, of Frey men being oddly targeted and killed off. Maybe it's downplayed as the remaining Stark sympathizers going AWOL. But just little mentions, maybe we overhear it as Hound & Arya travel to the Eyrie too.

I think the show has gradually built up to it anyway, in that it's been set up from Episode 1 that there are various dark ways a person can be bought back to life. Some people might see it as the show jumping the shark somewhat, and inevitably they'll be lots of "GASP why can't ___ come back now", but I think the show has sufficiently set it up.

 

[kirblar]

I think a nice way would to be build it up slowly; have small mentions, as you say at the Small Council, of Frey men being oddly targeted and killed off. Maybe it's downplayed as the remaining Stark sympathizers going AWOL. But just little mentions, maybe we overhear it as Hound & Arya travel to the Eyrie too.

I think the show has gradually built up to it anyway, in that it's been set up from Episode 1 that there are various dark ways a person can be bought back to life. Some people might see it as the show jumping the shark somewhat, and inevitably they'll be lots of "GASP why can't ___ come back now", but I think the show has sufficiently set it up.

Beric's conversation with Arya about losing her father (and his "Rez Scars") set it up really well for when people go looking back.

 

[Brashnir]

I would've have Beric do the magic thing, fall down, obviously dead and the camera pan over to her body, up past her slashed throat, then her eyes would open. Abrupt Cut to credits.

Better would be to have Beric and Thoros come upon her, have Beric tell Thoros to resurrect her, and have Thoros tell him that she's been dead too long and there's nothing left. Have Beric do his thing of self-sacrifice, and then pan to Cat lying there still dead.

Cut away at that point, and then come back 3 or 4 episodes later and do the reveal.

 

[Dawg]

Well, let's just nip this in the bud. No war, no harassment of the other thread, and no more trolling in there. In fact, if you're in here, you probably shouldn't be in there at all. If you let something slip -- and you will -- we will ban you, then play the Sigur Ros version of Rains of Castamere over your dead avatar.

I posted this in the other thread yesterday:

That scene where Ramsay tells him to shave him while informing him about Robb says it all. He could have killed Ramsay there, but he didn't even have the strength for that. He's a broken man, something Ramsay wanted to prove to his father it seems.

That's OK, right?

 

[kirblar]

Ya, I made a few clarification of on-screen stuff (no spoilers) in previous seasons, but haven't wanted to even chance anything given the absurd amount of game-changers this season.

 

[Violater]

I just want zombie Cat to make some Freys do the hangmans dance.

 

[SquiddyCracker]

I think it's best to not even explain, let the show watchers explain it.
I limit myself to merely expressing my emotions.

#targset4lyfe

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

I thought that band at the wedding were entirely out of place by the way. Sounds like someone was playing an .mp3 file. At least they waited until the credits to play heavy-rock Bear & The Maiden Fair

 

[Lonestar]

I still want Coldhands to show up.

 

[Kerned]

I still want Coldhands to show up.

I will be so disappointed if Coldhands isn't in the show. He has to be, right? Just being introduced a bit later, maybe closer to when Bran becomes a tree.

 

[gutshot]

I will be so disappointed if Coldhands isn't in the show. He has to be, right? Just being introduced a bit later, maybe closer to when Bran becomes a tree.

He's almost certainly cut.

 

[TCRS]

WiC.net: Curtain Call: Jack Gleeson

great write up. he is an amazing actor, I hope we'll see him again one day.

heh:

 

[Real Hero]

I wish patchface was in the show

 

[CambriaRising]

He's almost certainly cut.

Yeah, I really don't think they will be introducing a elk riding zombie to the show, and if they were going to I would think they would have done it at the end of Sam's storyline last season.

I wish patchface was in the show

There seems to have been a blanket "Fool cut" of all of the fool characters except for Dontos.

 

[CambriaRising]

dp.

 

[Kerned]

I wish patchface was in the show

That is definitely a character I don't miss.

 

[Walter White Walker]

Patchface in the books is annoying, could only imagine it would be even worse in the show.