ManUtdRedDevils
Member
Haha what babies. Glad I don't bother with either of them. Video game industry is just devolving into hissy fits and "character" attacks. It's embarassing
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Angry Joe gets called out by IGNs review editor for misquoting their Titanfall review
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LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
We all have those moments. He's a guy who's become popular on Youtube and he's worked towards that. The issue is more black and white than that though.
SolidChamp
Banned
I'd say so. Spot on about McCaffrey, as well. Guy is such a douche.
One of the jobs of a reviewer is to be able to most clearly articulate to viewers/readers/listeners on how they reached their opinion in the first place. It's much easier to do that on a 5 point scale because it's easier to explain how one would reach a 2/5 than a 3/5, 4/5, and so forth. Plus, there's less room for ambiguities and arbitrariness and you avoid the burden doing gymnastics on why one felt a game was a 8.8 than a 8.9 or an 8.9 than a 9.0. In the latter, you obviously back yourself in a corner because the only thing you can say is "well, I felt that score was justified because it was almost amazing!" while giving exactly zero insight as to how the reviewer reached that particular destination in the first place when reading the text.
I mean, there is a reason why other review mediums like this don't use shit like this outside of pure aggregates (which would also serve as a sufficient explanation for the end point).
People are getting the preview misquote issue point just fine. That's more open and shut, but the decimal point issue is not only a contentious point of discussion, but also Joe decided to start focusing on that and Dan foolishly entertained that bait even for a second.
It has plenty of mature people, they just don't get the followers on Twitter and YouTube because they're measured and moderate as most mature people are.
March of the Crabs
Member
IGN is an awful site but Angry Joe is one of the most annoying people on the planet. IGN man is right in this situation though. All these "YouTube celebrities" pull this kind of shit and all of them fucking suck.
Good point. The whole argument was pointless, though. He posted an IGN quote and Dan started a fight (on the internet) with someone who has the word Angry in their name. Regardless, Joe posted a quote showing IGN overhype (which they do a lot) and mentioned 9/10 reviews. I so not think this is completely misattributed.
It was also used as the opening and closing quote in the Titanfall accolades trailer released in the US. Apparently they have no problem with this misrepresentation...
Brewster's Wallet
Member
This. I got about 5 tweets in before just shaking my head.
yeehamuffins
Member
Even if Dan had good points, I'd probably side with Joe just because he wasn't the one who decided to turn this into a public spectacle on Twitter. It would be one thing if Dan had sent him a private message asking him to correct the review, had been ignored, and resorted to publicly calling out Joe when all else failed. But it certainly sounds like this was the first Joe had ever heard of this before now.
This. Neither one of these guys comes across as a very positive representative of game journalism. I've never watched Angry Joe before, but he comes across as the bigger douche of the two. But Joe will be glad to hear that I am now curious enough to seek out and watch his Titanfall review.
The microsoft connections just keep on appearing with this writer *puts on tinfoil hat*
Comfort Jones
Banned
No, it's not.
It's really really not. I'm not sure in what world this should be shocking you but it certainly shouldn't be this one, unless you've been living in a secret vault full of very intelligent and refined individuals, to which I say: GO BACK, THIS PLACE ISN'T GOOD. IT'S NOT GOOD AT ALL AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
I could never get past the fact that he decided to put 'Angry' in his name. Like he's a god damned puppet on a very special episode of Mr. Roger's Neighborhood where he learns the value of an even temper.
But, some people like that kind of side-show distraction, so to each their own.
This probably isn't the first time Joe has done this kind of thing, though.
I always found it a little shameless how much he was gunning for AVGN numbers.
I think the worst part of this is IGN misattributing a review as a preview.
Other than the lack of a score, that preview has already made up its mind about the game and is telling the reader how amazing it is and how they need to buy it. Its even telling me which version to get. If IGN doesn't want people to confuse their previews and reviews, then they should write previews that read like previews.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
I think the preview deserved to be called out more than the review. It read like an Xbox One ad. Liking the game is one thing but shilling the One port is another.
Fallout-with-swords
Banned
I haven't read his preview but I have always known him to have a huge Microsoft bias and I avoid everything he writes. Sorry I didn't phrase that very well. Basically, I have a hard time believing the tweet was a serious offer to host the E3 conference. I took it as a bad joke, but knowing what he is about, he probably did make the tweet in hopes of them actually accepting. But I guess it could have been a totally serious offer, I mean it comes off that way, but I assumed he was being sarcastic. Because he would have to be an idiot to think they would accept. I'm probably giving him too much credit.
For a while they only had half points and then they went back to this dumb shit.
Spiritreaver
Member
Between this and watching Angry Joe stream ESO, I know why I don't like these two reviewers.
I completely agree, IGN has zero credibility in their critical discourse and if Dan wants people like Joe to stop misquoting his reviewers then maybe he needs to take his job more seriously.
That's not the point Joe was making in the video however, so while you're correct, it's unrelated to this particular issue.
Are you sure ?
I mean Dan from IGN was the person who was the most concerned with the 0.1 difference making it the bases of his entire argument to begin with.
Personally Angry Joe was just doing his normal Joe thing and in no way attacked or shamed IGN directly
This being said he did use an image to make a point which if you look at it from each side can be both for and against depending how you except the rating system, See I would think that this game is more than a 8 (I wouldn't say this about Titanfall but stick with me) but this game isn't really a nine ether..
So I would then use the 0.1 value to give my rate a bit of a lean towards the closer of the value so a 8.9 to me is "so close to a 9 but still missing that ..'something'..."
But saying all this you could go the complete other way...
If you let's say don't agree with someone unless they have personally attack you in some form..
how about
Ignoring them ?
that's just his shtick. gamers go there for an ankle deep reinforcement of the issues they just know they're right about and have it delivered in the most real way possible. unlike tabloid quality indignation, prose ain't real.
Both sides are acting like idiots here but 'Angry Joe' is more at fault.
He's one of the Youtube personalities cashing on the angry, cynical, etc etc shtick where he presents himself as an Elliott Ness of game reviewing, a bastion of truth against the corrupt old guard. He should take care not to misquote when doing that as he's pandering to his audience by shitting on other people.
That said, his Steel Battalion review is one of my favorites from the last few years just due to the shtick...
He's one of the Youtube personalities cashing on the angry, cynical, etc etc shtick where he presents himself as an Elliott Ness of game reviewing, a bastion of truth against the corrupt old guard. He should take care not to misquote when doing that as he's pandering to his audience by shitting on other people.
That said, his Steel Battalion review is one of my favorites from the last few years just due to the shtick...
Fornaximus
Member
That guy must be furious with Microsoft for using the "BELIEVE THE HYPE" quote in their commercials. I mean it wasn't even in their review!
IGN is terrible
RustyNails
Member
I really think IGN blew this out of proportion and were being whiny babbies about it. Let Joe dude do whatever he wants.
PairOfFilthySocks
Member
It's honestly just like a run-of-the-mill shitposting battle you'd see on a 4chan thread. I love it.
Necromanti
Member
I decided to look up the IGN review and...I'm not seeing a noticeably lower amount of hyperbole compared to the preview, at least early on. I mean, the review starts off with:
But Dan seems to be focusing on the fact that there was one throwaway line of criticism about the campaign--calling its story "background noise"--but in the context of the entire paragraph, I'm not sure why he's using that as an example to show the review being critical;
This is without taking into consideration the utterly ridiculous argument that a number of '8.9' is somehow closer to a '8.0' than it is a '9.0'. He seems adamant about that difference. I'm not saying I agree with AngryJoe, but Dan's rebuttal seems weak.
Well, okay. Maybe it's not quite as ridiculous. He probably really enjoyed the game, as well.
But Dan seems to be focusing on the fact that there was one throwaway line of criticism about the campaign--calling its story "background noise"--but in the context of the entire paragraph, I'm not sure why he's using that as an example to show the review being critical;
Also, completely unrelated, but I found this line funny for some reason:
And it seems the reviewer's eyes no longer melt when watching the action unfold in Titanfall, at least, so that's fortunate for him.
This is without taking into consideration the utterly ridiculous argument that a number of '8.9' is somehow closer to a '8.0' than it is a '9.0'. He seems adamant about that difference. I'm not saying I agree with AngryJoe, but Dan's rebuttal seems weak.
Well, if we wanna get technical, AngryJoe DID misquote the score (even by a fraction) and he obviously misquote the review itself (by referring to the preview), which is a more serious mistake.
It doesn't matter we think that 0.1 is irrelevant, it clearly isn't according to IGN's review scale. #dealwithit
Anyway, AngryJoe's name calling and 10 year old writing is just too much. Unprofessional and childish. Stapleton handled it the right way, by ignoring the insults and focusing on the matter at hand.
I wouldn't have been so cold, I guess.
It doesn't matter we think that 0.1 is irrelevant, it clearly isn't according to IGN's review scale. #dealwithit
Anyway, AngryJoe's name calling and 10 year old writing is just too much. Unprofessional and childish. Stapleton handled it the right way, by ignoring the insults and focusing on the matter at hand.
I wouldn't have been so cold, I guess.
If you're IGN, why choose this as your battleground for credibility? Why not just write insightful and honest reviews from this point forward?
Oh right, they need dat review money.
digoutyoursoul
Member
Went off him the moment he labelled people with genuine constructive feedback as "haters"
toddhunter
Member
Hopefully the outcome out of this is IGN improving their preview process.
Comfort Jones
Banned
Whoa, don't be like that. 4chan debates are way funnier and more intellectually honest than anything the average IGN reviewer is going to be putting out.
Their insight isn't being questioned here. It's Joe's professionalism.
brandonh83
Banned
Not sure why Joe gets so much attention. Everything I've seen him in just makes him look like a loud mouthed man child. He seems smart, it's just his attitude that rubs me the wrong way. No offense to the guy of course.
Cornbread78
Member
After reading the exchange, why does the title "A thin line between Love and Hate" keep coming into my mind? When there is no slander to IGN, it should have been left alone in public, rather than argue openly with him about it. The whole thing plays off as petty, especially for a much larger and reputible gaming News/journalist outlet. they almost appear over defensive for their over-the-top hype for the game leading up to launch... Take the high road IGN, take the high road next time and send him a PM/E-mail to call him out on something so tiny.......
His Youtube revenue rants did him in for me. Haven't watched him since.
This reminded me to unsub.
schaft0620
Member
.1 or not he misrepresented the review by intentionally showing the wrong score.