DryvBy
Member
Because of the name calling?
But man, Danny's arguing over 0.1 was cringe worthy. Seriously? You guys gave it a 9, rounded up. He couldn't even answer what merit was used to make it 0.1 off from a 9.0.
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Angry Joe gets called out by IGNs review editor for misquoting their Titanfall review
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Because of the name calling?
But man, Danny's arguing over 0.1 was cringe worthy. Seriously? You guys gave it a 9, rounded up. He couldn't even answer what merit was used to make it 0.1 off from a 9.0.
AHA-Lambda
Member
Holy hell, Dan comes off as a moronic, self entitled ass here. As if I needed any more reasons not to visit ign.
"Angry" Joe and his online persona are a joke and I don't think gimmick personalities really bring much critically to the table. (I'm looking at you Jim Sterling -.-).... that said, it's not like IGN is a bastion of credibility and if Dan would like "Angry" Joe to stop making fun of them then maybe Dan needs to raise the level of critical discourse at IGN.
All this over 1%?
I say 1% because that's exactly what 0.1 is.
However it's obviously not, because IGN adopt the 7-10 scale so 0.1 is actually much bigger number. I'm too lazy to work out what 0.1 equates to.
Stupid argument, but at least it highlights IGN's masturbatory and arbitrary numbering scheme.
I say 1% because that's exactly what 0.1 is.
However it's obviously not, because IGN adopt the 7-10 scale so 0.1 is actually much bigger number. I'm too lazy to work out what 0.1 equates to.
Stupid argument, but at least it highlights IGN's masturbatory and arbitrary numbering scheme.
BurnOutBrighter
Banned
Wait, the point scales have categories now? What the hell do you even use decimals for, if all of 8 is "great" and all of 9 is "amazing"?
Kacho
Member
Definitely not. Both guys look pretty bad here.
I don't think it is about the .1 at all. It is about the above quote. Linking something that doesn't appear in an article and implying it is in the article is not cool. Even if they said it in a preview, it didn't appear in the review as Joe implied.
He's IGN's Xbox guy... pretty sure that reaction is uncalled for. You really think the Playstation editor's wouldn't jump at a chance to be on stage for the Sony conferences? The Beyond crew got super excited about their shoutout in the 2013 Sony conference. Being a fan of a product doesn't make you delusional.
AnthonypUK
Member
Joe didn't say IGN gave it a 9/10, how many people here saw the passage on the review in question?
OverturePT
Member
This. The stuff he quoted wasn't on their review. I enjoy some stuff Joe does, but if I had never watched one of his videos I would definitely not look forward to do so after reading this.
AdventureMike
Member
Joe needs to cut it out with the name calling and insults. He could have handled this much better and professionally. This doesn't reflect well on him in the slightest.
That being said, I am on his side for this one. Dan could have contacted him about this privately without being an instigator on twitter. Instead he decided to make drive-by passive agressive remarks and start the whole shit fest. As an average joe (no pun intended) gamer, things like a .1 difference in score and whether a comment came from a preview or the review don't matter much to me.
When I read a preview or review of the game, I am taking that as a representation of the company/source's attitude on the game. While Dan is technically correct that Joe did represent the wording in the preview as the review, for people that just glance at these things, I do just see a representation of attitude. Quite honestly, if they want me to make a bigger distinction between the two, either dial back the initial hyperbole or give the game a lower score when you have criticisms.
That being said, I am on his side for this one. Dan could have contacted him about this privately without being an instigator on twitter. Instead he decided to make drive-by passive agressive remarks and start the whole shit fest. As an average joe (no pun intended) gamer, things like a .1 difference in score and whether a comment came from a preview or the review don't matter much to me.
When I read a preview or review of the game, I am taking that as a representation of the company/source's attitude on the game. While Dan is technically correct that Joe did represent the wording in the preview as the review, for people that just glance at these things, I do just see a representation of attitude. Quite honestly, if they want me to make a bigger distinction between the two, either dial back the initial hyperbole or give the game a lower score when you have criticisms.
He could have handled the unnecessarily public argument on twitter more professionally? Although the name calling isn't needed.
AnthonypUK
Member
If that's what he wants fine, but he sure as hell shouldn't be reviewing Xbox games while at the same time pimping himself out the Microsoft., you can stick Gies into that equation too.
SolidChamp
Banned
Thank you. Can't believe it needed to be spelled out for some people.
Comfort Jones
Banned
The argument being presented here is basically "Joe looks bad because he said a few too many mean words" compared to "IGN shamelessly lets its journalists promote the fuck out of products with some of the most amateur enthusiast writing I've seen in my life".
"Have you seen Titanfall? theyll say. And little by little or maybe in droves, who knows? they will flock to Titanfall, and they will never go back. Not after this. Titanfall is the next great evolution of the twitch-action first-person shooter. Believe the hype."
That's an actual line from a preview. Yeah no Joe can get away with all the language he wants in this "debate".
"Have you seen Titanfall? theyll say. And little by little or maybe in droves, who knows? they will flock to Titanfall, and they will never go back. Not after this. Titanfall is the next great evolution of the twitch-action first-person shooter. Believe the hype."
That's an actual line from a preview. Yeah no Joe can get away with all the language he wants in this "debate".
He did, however, attribute a quote from the Preview to their Review. Disingenuous at the worst and unprofessional at best.
BibiMaghoo
Member
So this is the IGN scale?
9 - Great.
8.9 - almost great.
8.8 - almost great.
8.7 - almost great
8.6 - almost great
8.5 - better than good
8.4 - better than good
8.3 - better than good
8.2 - better than good
8.1 - better than good
8.0 - good.
Anything wrong with this lol?
9 - Great.
8.9 - almost great.
8.8 - almost great.
8.7 - almost great
8.6 - almost great
8.5 - better than good
8.4 - better than good
8.3 - better than good
8.2 - better than good
8.1 - better than good
8.0 - good.
Anything wrong with this lol?
AHA-Lambda
Member
Fallout-with-swords
Banned
One example of integrity IGN style. Executive Editor /IGN:
Need I say more?
I've never liked Ryan's opinions because he always seemed to have such a bias. But why would you tweet something like that? He's obviously joking, but the way he wrote it, is like he went out of his way to make it sound serious / it's obvious he would jump at that chance and shit on journalism. It's hard not for anyone slightly cynical to think the guy is a shill looking for a MS PR job.
Bring back TRL!
sixteen-bit
Member
gotta maximize that cpm
And how do you quantify this in terms of the thing we're talking about, a video game? What exactly makes a game a tenth better than another similarly situated video game outside of "Well, the reviewer felt this score was justified because of... reasons."
Yeah, the mathematics of the problem is not being disputed here; the main dispute is what the difference even signifies in the context of an evaluation of a product outside of metacritic stuff, assuming there is even a difference.
SolidChamp
Banned
I never implied that he was "delusional", I am shitting on the guy because he's biased to the point of being an MS corporate shill.
ScaryMovies
Member
No, not really...
It doesn't matter that the game is 1 decimal point from being scored 9.0, and being classified as amazing. A concious decision was made that the game did not deserve that status. Instead it was scored 8.9 and was classified as a great game.
You might argue that the difference in score is so minuscule they might as well just have given it a 9.0, but obviously IGN did not feel the game deserved to be called amazing. That really shouldn't be a hard concept to grasp.
I'm with Dan on this one.
Phrozenflame500
Member
Wow this is the most retarded thing I've seen internet people do today.
While I'm more inclined to agree with Joe on this whole thing, he shouldn't have even bothered arguing with him and especially shouldn't have stooped to the same name calling.
While I'm more inclined to agree with Joe on this whole thing, he shouldn't have even bothered arguing with him and especially shouldn't have stooped to the same name calling.
GunslingerVit
Banned
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
The thing is, guys like Joe are watched for their shtick. IGN is bring pretty trivial here and they look more foolish. Some act as if Joe's behavior is *gasp* immoral. Take a look at how some people here act before casting stones.
To crap on Joe for who he is would negate the reason for watching his content. Joe's fine just the way he is. Let's not act like the morality police and dismiss a good guy for defending his rep.
The main point of this makes IGN look worse.
To crap on Joe for who he is would negate the reason for watching his content. Joe's fine just the way he is. Let's not act like the morality police and dismiss a good guy for defending his rep.
The main point of this makes IGN look worse.
Shaking? Really? Does anyone ever experience this from a game that isn't related to a seizure. Why do people write this overblown crap?
Comfort Jones
Banned
In what way is he "obviously joking" there? I mean it's pretty consistent with everything else I've seen from him. A quick google search finds he apparently worked on the Xbox Magazine before going to IGN.
Totally joking.
Rickenslacker
Banned
Oh, I guess that's the difference a .1 on a review scale makes.
Nah man! I don't care about that, I have a personal grievance with this guy so I will use each and every public moment I can to remind everyone how much I hate this guy Joe and his so called shtick!
AnthonypUK
Member
I'm not disputing that fact, thats why i said its 50/50 a few posts ago, alot of people here seemed to focus on the 9/10 - 8.9 thing when thats pretty clear as day.
IGN are misrepresting joe saying 9/10 for their review when he didnt
and joes misrepresenting their preview as a review text.
both as bad as each other, well except one is a Man-child you tuber and the other is the Review editor for one of the worlds biggest gaming websites.
you do expect professionalism out of one of them...
Fallout-with-swords
Banned
Exactly this, the whole exchange is overblown but IGN loves their review scores and .9 is always pretty telling.
I feel like there's some history here that I'm missing.
Angry Joe can do that all he wants, though. He's not a journalist. I'm not saying it's right, but the same standards shouldn't be expected of him as IGN.
The difference is explained on a per review basis within reviews themselves. Their opinions cannot be disputed.
It'd be refreshing though, if Joe would have handled it like anything other than an immature asshole. Dan would look like a complete twat if Joe had just explained what happened, apologized for misrepresenting the quote, and moved on.
Instead they're both rolling around on the floor twatting it up.
I really like the fact that angry joe did made a blatant masking of his error of using a preview lines to imply it was a review, and mask that delibrate handling by arguing about the score and the decimals itself.
And i think that is job well done since most of people in this thread are actuallytalking about the score than the problem at large.
And i think that is job well done since most of people in this thread are actuallytalking about the score than the problem at large.
Glittering Crux
Banned
What a joke. This is something I would expect to be posted on p4r.
Yes. In a business where most peoples goals are to get out of the low paying rag site jobs and into industry Brand management and customer relations for publishers... He was obviously joking.
Big joke guys. Pay not attention to it!
Is it any different than people going "lol gam jotnaliZm" in every thread?