Joe is only one guy so having 4x more followers is not that impressive, tbh
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Angry Joe gets called out by IGNs review editor for misquoting their Titanfall review
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Joe is only one guy so having 4x more followers is not that impressive, tbh
Lucky_Se7enty
Member
even though ign didnt put "believe the hype" in the actual titanfall review, its just so small time to get aggressive over and call someone out on twitter with.
The Real Napsta
Member
You guys wouldn't be jumping on him like this if he didn't work for IGN. Actually read what he is talking about.
batman2million
Member
Regardless of how ironic Dan is in this case, with Joe making those petty insults and using that kind of language makes his argument sound childish.
He can be a little professional.
Edit: In Dan's defense. A game getting a 8.9 and a 9.0 does give it a different out look and at some case, a metacritic score.
He can be a little professional.
Edit: In Dan's defense. A game getting a 8.9 and a 9.0 does give it a different out look and at some case, a metacritic score.
What's so shady about it? There are differences between a preview and a review, with the biggest difference being the fact that the former was likely formed by only playing a portion of the game while the latter is the result of experiencing the final or near final product in its entirety.
A lot can change between those two experiences. Maybe the game is incredibly fun in short bursts, and at the forefront of your time with it, but its funfactor wears thin the longer you play it. Maybe the one or two modes you did play were ridiculously fun, but once the final product came into your possession, you came to the realization that feature depth (modes, maps, weapons, etc) were lacking. These are things that can be hidden in a preview, artificially inflating a game, that wouldn't be known until you have considerable time with the final product.
A lot of people in this thread are just out for blood, but a lot can change between a preview and a review. Also, I agree that a 100 point scale is stupid for media reviews, but there is a big difference between an 8.9 and a 9. I bet everyone here would do everything in their power to get their 89% in a class bumped up to a 90% The same thing applies here.
BlazingDarkness
Member
lol, this is so childish.
You can feel Dan's blood boiling as he types this. Passive aggressive manbabies.
Haloid1177
Banned
Duh. No other review site would argue about a fucking tenth of a point.
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
Heh, and people are discrediting AJ instead of mocking the 0.1 that IGN is touting.
Brad Grenz
Member
Frankly, we shouldn't allow IGN to shield themselves with the "Preview" designation when they're anointing a game with "killer-app" status and telling people not only to buy the game, but buy a $500 system to play the game even if they already have a 360 or PC to play the game on. The real scandal is trying to use semantics to avoid responsibility for publishing editorial content that by all rights should have gotten the author fired.
Joe could have taken more time to make a bigger point about the absurdist nature of the pre-release hype leading directly into inflated final scores, but he was making a quick point in passing about the way the press was falling all over themselves to deliver high marks and accolades while ignoring or downplaying the game's ample problems. In that sense both the obscene IGN quote and the 8.9 score are relevant no matter what Stapleton thinks.
If I got paid to do it and became a professional, I could then be accused of acting unprofessionally if I were to resort to mud slinging and misattribution. Them's the breaks between amateur and professional. Although I see where you're coming from in terms of comparison, should IGN and Angry Joe's companies be compared at all on any level?
And your namesake is Angry Joe? That's kinda unfortunate.
This reminds me of a poster that showed a baby with an EMT that flatlined and the words "1.0 is not the same as 0.1" based on an actual accident that a nurse killed a baby by overdose.
But videogame reviews are not math or science so 8.9=9.0 It's basically the $99.99 equivalent.
But videogame reviews are not math or science so 8.9=9.0 It's basically the $99.99 equivalent.
Imbarkus
As Sartre noted in his contemplation on Hell in No Exit, the true horror is other members.
But in the end, this is Much Ado About Nothing.
Lol, that preview for the game is an advertising piece for Microsoft, basically. I hope they got payed for it.
Specially love the whole, PLEASE don't play it onPC where it will run and look and play better! Play it on Xbox One 'cause Live! and junk that you have to pay extra for, that's the ticket!!
Pathetic. Joe was right to call them on their bullshit.
Specially love the whole, PLEASE don't play it onPC where it will run and look and play better! Play it on Xbox One 'cause Live! and junk that you have to pay extra for, that's the ticket!!
Pathetic. Joe was right to call them on their bullshit.
Handy Fake
Member
Smacks of the arguments of a man who's been caught out to me. Bang to rights, as they say.
flatearthpandas
Member
I disagree. The IGN guy came out of this looking like bitter and childish while Angry Joe came out looking like Angry Joe. You may call that immature but that's what pays his bills. I'd say only IGN really lost in the exchange.
Handy Fake
Member
Your avatar makes me want to cry.
outunderthestars
Banned
So much this.
I think he snapped. Not really sure why.
BurnOutBrighter
Banned
But it really boils down to the fact that something is rotten in the state of the industry.
Yup. That was the moment where Angry Joe completely lost any chance of viewing him with credibility.
Duallusion
Member
Ugh, those Joe Vargas tweets are borderline pathetic. Instantly destroyed his argument.
POWERSPHERE
Banned
IGN are basically saying we can lie in previews as long as we criticize in reviews, and we all know preview hype does WAY more for sales than reviews. They sucked the dick and the teacher walked in.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Hah, I get where you're coming from. I still side more wih Joe even though I'm not saying he's a saint in all this.
BlazingDarkness
Member
You say yourself why it is shady.
Because they made such bold statements and assurances about the quality of the game, that it is the next 'great evolution' of FPS games, while only playing a portion of the game. If they didn't have access to the full game then they should never have made those exaggerated comments in the first place. If they did have access to the full experience beforehand, then the preview's comments should have been reflected in the review score.
FullMetaltech
Member
Jeez journalism sure has gone a long way. Its like a student being mad at a teacher for giving them a bad grade over thier work. And here i was thinking that 8.9 rounded off was a 9. Go figure its just good and not amazing! There both at fault but its been way past that to get riled up now.
Or the difference between a yellow or green on metacritic or an exact score, which affects dev bonuses and sales of the game. Such a flawed system. It's not like games were selling less before such important was placed on metacritic and arbitrary exact scores.
Sessler explains it well
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And having not seen either of these things: What does it matter if Joe brings a preview bit over to his review while showing your review score?
Such a mountain out of a molehill. Joe quoting "BELIEVE THE HYPE" is part of his review and he isn't misrepresenting IGN. He's taking bits and pieces from the manufactured hype to show that "THE HYPE" isn't real.
100% agree with your point
The Real Napsta
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Hari Seldon
Member
That is exactly what their entire business plan is.
I always thought stupid scores like 8.9 means they really want to give it an 8. The decimal just lets them make the score seem higher than they actually want to give it to appease publishers.
So they really think it deserves an 8 but has everyone considering it a 9 because it's a really high 8 (8.9).
Which also makes sense about why he's so bothered that 8.9 was lumped in with the 9's and 10's. Because in his mind it is actually an 8 (just disguised as a 9 to keep publishers happy).
So they really think it deserves an 8 but has everyone considering it a 9 because it's a really high 8 (8.9).
Which also makes sense about why he's so bothered that 8.9 was lumped in with the 9's and 10's. Because in his mind it is actually an 8 (just disguised as a 9 to keep publishers happy).
Handy Fake
Member
Sure it was pedantic to argue about 0.1, but the continued fixation Joe had with that was asinine. Joe came across as a more righteous prick that thinks he can do what he wants, whereas IGN-whoever came across as a pedant with a valid point that was never addressed properly by Joe.
All in all, a normal, stupid pissing contest on Twitter.
All in all, a normal, stupid pissing contest on Twitter.
AgentLampshade
Member
I'm siding with Joe purely because instigating an argument over 0.1% of a meaningless review score is ridiculous, especially considering the guy's position in a big site like IGN.
ultratruman
Banned
Good thing Dan's not a journalist, then.
Handy Fake
Member
To be honest, when you set yourself up as monolithic corporation espousing the very nitty gritty of gaming journalism, you have to expect to be called out and not get pissy about it,
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Absolute amazing. Here is why I said we're no different. This is spot on even while not being professional. Who cares about how immature the analogy is, it works. It kind of goes to my point earlier in my pseudo defense of Joe.
Exactly - Angry Joe is well known for calling people out on Twitter, that just makes him more popular. Whereas the other guy comes out looking ridiculous for calling something out that wasn't even true (there's no way to objectively score games with decimal places, sorry).
Son of Cervantes
Member
Gotta say, I agree with Joe regarding all this.
The IGN guy whining about a decimal point is kind of sad, as is the fact that IGN went with an 8.9 instead of a 9 in the first place. Like that score was somehow mathematically calculated, lol.
The IGN guy whining about a decimal point is kind of sad, as is the fact that IGN went with an 8.9 instead of a 9 in the first place. Like that score was somehow mathematically calculated, lol.
Bananajama
Banned
And by doing this publicly instead of privately it just shows both parties up.
Both need to grow up.
Both need to grow up.
No it's not.
An 89% in class is a B+ while a 90% is an A-, and there's a pretty meaningful difference behind the two letter grades. The same exact logic applies here. There is a threshold between 8.9 and 9.0 where the game jumps from a really good game to an amazing one, and it's by no means a petty difference.
But actually now that I think about it, the "$99.99" comparison is not totally off base, because in the minds of the consumer, there is definitely a considerable perception difference between an 8.9 and 9.0 in much the same way that xx.99 comes off a lot better than its rounded up counterpart.
Skiptastic
Member
Coincidence?
Yes, that is a coincidence. Angry Joe's reviews can pretty much only be seen via his YouTube page (as far as I'm aware). IGN's reviews can be seen on IGN and their video viewer. It's not like Angry Joe is bigger than IGN on the view counter. (If I'm wrong on Joe's reviews being seen elsewhere, I will retract my statement.)
That picture is relevant to the topic at hand, however, if that Angry Joe video is the video that has pissed off Stapleton. That's 1 million views that Dan believes have seen "misrepresented" views.
Well, stated. Both sides look stupid. If I have to choose who to shame more, I choose Dan. It sucks when people misrepresent you, but you're freaking IGN. People are going to use IGN to make their point because IGN is one of the leading VG websites. Just ignore it unless it gets slanderous or excessively vicious. And if it does, don't get passive aggressive on Twitter about it. Figure out a different way to handle it.
captmcblack
Member
IGN's incredible sodium levels for the technical argument of .1% is just something else.
BlazingDarkness
Member
Yep, you nailed it.
And the fact that IGN has the gall to defend this 0.1% review nonsense while sitting on piles of shit like that preview is quite amazing.
DragonSworne
Banned
According to IGN an 8.9 is the best great game and a 9.0 is the worst amazing game.
lol. The review scale is so fucked.
Holy shit, this blew my mind.. what the hell kind of thinking is this. Where a 0.1 determines whether something is great or amazing.. haha, oh man...
Well he is staying true to his character, but I think it's because he took offense to how he was called out. It did feel like a personal attack. He does come off as childish a lot with all the insults, I think this could have been avoided if Dan Stapleton just approached him via DM. Now they both look foolish for this.
Pretty much this: