Angry Joe is at fault here. He clearly misrepresented IGN by implying that a quote in the preview appeared in the review.
Actually he didn't.
Angry Joe is at fault here. He clearly misrepresented IGN by implying that a quote in the preview appeared in the review.
The Internet is a place where we argue about the journalistic merits of a youtube user named Angry Joe.
One was making a point, the other one was stating the obvious. that alone is asking for the impossible when it comes to having a good debate. They chaos that is happening between these 2 guys is now happening in this thread.
Clearly the way the scale works is that 9 = amazing and 8 = great. Obviously, 8.9 = amazing great, which is better than great but still less than amazing. Glad I could help.
So, in other words, Kotaku's rating system is much better? Got it.
What misinformation about Titanfall?
All I see is different people valuing a game differently. Some people value "fun" (IGN), some people value breadth of content (Joe).
Joe was being ridiculous in his review, calling out other people that don't value games the same way he does, as if value is somehow universal.
Its horribly unprofessional. Both sides are opinions and stuff like what Joe does is just putting his opinion on the throne for king of the hill.
As much as some people like to not trust reviews because they don't like the review not portraying their own opinion, they are still legitimate opinions. Mudslinging at other's opinions as a reviewer yourself is much the definition of unprofessional.
The criticism is saved for places like here, where the readers compare and contrast rather than the participants. Shoot, throw it in a different video dedicated to the issue if its that important to the person, even.
Welcome to IGN, where even the numbers used in our petty twitter sniping are inflated... just like our review scores!Actually, the best part is that they don't. That number is inflated. If you do the math, it's closer to 3x.
As others have stated quite eloquently what Joe has done wrong, I'll use an example of what's happened.TIL you can say anything in a preview, and nobody can ever quote you, unless it appears on the game's box. Especially when the preview is written with the game's dick in the author's mouth, essentially telling readers to not bother waiting for the review and to just pre-order the game now.
Why can't game journalists just admit that Titanfall got so much hype because of the Respawn / Infinity Ward / Activision debacle?
It's so obvious they were hyping the shit out of this game regardless of its shortcomings because they wanted to see the guys at Respawn "stick it to the man".
Kotaku's review system has its entire own set of problems, like being practically meaningless.
The fact that Dan is trying to brag about a massive gaming site's channel having more Youtube subscribers than a single person's personal channel truly shows the quality of people IGN hires.
The only thing Joe did "wrong" was do the human nature thing and round up the 8.9 to a 9. The "believe the hype" quote doesn't matter if it's from a preview or a review. Either IGN stands by their statement or they admit they were shouting PR shit when they said it. The quote is also used all over the place and wasn't a hand selected thing by just Joe. Dan also trying to state that 8.0-8.9 is the exact same thing and that the .1 difference is a river of differences is the most ridiculous thing i've seen argued in quite some time.
He seems to want himself and his content to be treated seriously, so people will judge him like they would any other outlet.Hmm, I guess I just don't consider angry joe a professional, and thus don't hold him to this standard. He's just a guy on youtube having fun and making videos. Or maybe I don't take all of this as seriously as everyone else.
Titanfall got the hype because it was remarkably fun to play in short bursts, like you know... at a trade show or something?
The real, primary criticism with Titanfall is that it doesn't hold up in the long term, and how would you ever expect anyone to know that before the final review?
Is it so hard to accept that a game can leave a far better first impression than a final one?
Kotaku's review system has its entire own set of problems, like being practically meaningless.
But there was Campaign Multiplayer, which ended up a disappointment.Weren't they told during the preview events that there was no single player campaign?
Except for his Titanfall review, that was just cheap ad-hominem tactics.
All I know is that I would be fucking pissed of if I got an 89 on a paper, but if I got a 90, I'd be moderately pissed off. There is a difference.
As others have stated quite eloquently what Joe has done wrong, I'll use an example of what's happened.
To the best of my knowledge, Joe did a gushy preview video on why "Aliens Colonial Marines will Rock". Obviously the game did not turn out well, and I'm guessing Joe has said as much elsewhere. Fine. What's happened here is like someone has taken Joe's preview piece and used it as if it's representative of how he feels about the final product, and then gone on to bash him for it in a vitriolic manner regardless.
This is why the IGN guy has taken umbrage.
Joe, I don't follow you on YT. However, I went ahead and watched your Titalfall review for kicks. I have to ask a question.
Why do you feel it necessary to slam other websites reviews and criticisms in order to support your own within a review? It doesn't do anything to help you make a point. It only serves to undermine your own words and opinions on the same game.
"You will buy an Xbox One for Titanfall, and you should. Sure, you'd have a good time with it on PC if you've got a capable rig, but your couch and the Xbox Live community will be the ecosystem it's best enjoyed in."The real story here shouldn't be the dispute between AJ and Dan, it should be about the continued hyperbolic free marketing pieces put out by IGN. I had not seen that preview article, but holy hell. I don't think Microsoft could have penned a better preview/advertisement for the title. Don't get me wrong, I've often complained here about the boring, robotic and monotonous tone found in many gaming articles, where the editors try a bit too hard not to come across biased, but wow. That preview is absolutely unbelievable, giving further credence to the decline of any realistic integrity to "games journalism". All of that said, I think both are at fault to an extent regarding the dispute, the difference being one party is a paid professional who could have chose his soapbox and responses much more carefully.
This is way more embarrassing for IGN...Joe's just a single dude letting emotion get the best of him, but Dan is representing IGN and trying to argue 0.1 is a big difference.
Angry Joe is at fault here. He clearly misrepresented IGN by implying that a quote in the preview appeared in the review.
The argument about 0.1 pts if cursory to the discussion and pointless.
Also, the personal attacks on Dan Stapleton are embarrassing. IGN have a right to complain. Not only that, they can actually sue him.
Wait. What? Why?
I get how you may dislike him on personal level by attacking others but you'll have to explain how his criticisms of other reviews weakens factual statements like various features for a multiplayer only game missing as well as the more subjective stuff like the storyline was dreadful (even if he explained eloquently why the campaign was being harmed)
The IGN guy initiated the "name-calling" by dubbing Joe's work as intentionally malicious. While he is more subtle about it, his comments imply that Joe is greedy, unethical and malicious. Joe could have handled it better but there's little doubt that the editor went full retard here
This is a stupid argument on both sides. On one hand Joe did misrepresent IGN by showing a preview instead of a review. On another hand the dude from IGN was arguing about a .1 difference.
If anything I'd say this is exactly what's wrong with Twitter in relation to the gaming media. Stupid shit like this happens.
"You will buy an Xbox One for Titanfall, and you should. Sure, you'd have a good time with it on PC if you've got a capable rig, but your couch and the Xbox Live community will be the ecosystem it's best enjoyed in."
Eye gee en dot com.
As others have stated quite eloquently what Joe has done wrong, I'll use an example of what's happened.
To the best of my knowledge, Joe did a gushy preview video on why "Aliens Colonial Marines will Rock". Obviously the game did not turn out well, and I'm guessing Joe has said as much elsewhere. Fine. What's happened here is like someone has taken Joe's preview piece and used it as if it's representative of how he feels about the final product, and then gone on to bash him for it in a vitriolic manner regardless.
This is why the IGN guy has taken umbrage.
Grimløck;108485979 said:i stopped halfway through their tirade thinking to myself, "they both need to grow the fuck up."
Uh, no.
But what you do is you show the preview. And you say "preview."
CITE. YOUR. SOURCES. In case that wasn't clear. By not citing his sources, Joe conflates the words of the previews department with the words of the reviews department. Dan's department is not the previews department.
It's a big deal. Fixating on the score thing is missing the point.
Unfortunately for Joe, willingly providing misinformation for the benefit of his own review is pretty damning in my book. Passing of a preview quote as one from a review is no better than playing a single round in the game and assigning a review score for the entirety of the game. It's plainly dishonest and doing your followers a disservice. If Joe actually cared about anyone but himself, he would have had the humility to admit he made an error. Instead he chooses to go the Fox News route and make himself look like a fool.
"You will buy an Xbox One for Titanfall, and you should. Sure, you'd have a good time with it on PC if you've got a capable rig, but your couch and the Xbox Live community will be the ecosystem it's best enjoyed in."
Eye gee en dot com.
Lol what the fuck. Is there a link to this quote?
*edit* Nvm I'm a dumbass
Slamming other reviews in your review only undermines your opinion and makes you look like you can't take nor understand someone else's view that didn't match with yours. Its not needed and looks like its only done to cause controversy and drama. Sure its good for views and the numbers game, but just comes off looking petty.
"You will buy an Xbox One for Titanfall, and you should. Sure, you'd have a good time with it on PC if you've got a capable rig, but your couch and the Xbox Live community will be the ecosystem it's best enjoyed in."
Eye gee en dot com.
You didn't actually watch it, did you?
That's just embarrassing. No wonder Dan is mad.
This makes me like IGN a bit less, lol @ 8.9 not being 9. Ridiculous. AngryJoe didn't even misquote them. However, I find it hilarious that Stapleton was SOOO adamant that they didn't give Titanfall a 9. Really seemed to be over-reacting.