supaman900s
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LMAO. Yup, just as the McDonalds worker is "succeeding" because they receive a pay check each week...
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Microsoft Earnings: 1.2 million Xbox One's shipped in Jan-Mar, 5.1M total (3.9+1.2)
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LMAO. Yup, just as the McDonalds worker is "succeeding" because they receive a pay check each week...
Very very doubtful. 4M-4.2M is a rational expectation for me. 4.6 would mean Microsoft has sold more X1 outside US than Inside. Very unlikely.
Not dreaming. We're talking about the reality of the issue. They're not going to keep plucking down billions of dollars into the brand without making back a big return in profitability, no matter how much money that MS has.
postcyberpunk
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I guess Micro$oft is happy with "minimum wage."
SwiftDeath
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Yes my own estimates are between 4.2M and 4.4M although some projections I did earlier suggested MS might not have even broke 4M by the end of March WW
No one expected Sony to reach this number as well, so that's not saying much tbh.
Yeah, I hated the PS1 and PS2 days, the DS, and the 3DS, Amazon and Steam are also terrible for dominating....wait.
MisterXDTV
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No no, I left out Dreamcast only because I was thinking about the Big 3 companies. Sega was doomed in 2000-2001....
Miles Quaritch
Member
Sigh. There's always one.
supaman900s
Member
Microsoft completely funded Titanfall? Then why wouldn't they also publish?
I think that's primarily dependent on which direction the board decides to take the company in the non-OS/productivity sectors. If they still think pushing a home-hub/central dedicated box as a long-term goal you may even get muttering a of a replacement 3-4 years down the road that addresses the issues with the XBone.
Or MS may decide to cut their losses in consumer outside of OS and go the IBM route of Enterprise-only, and just taking the patent fees for their consumer tech.
Neuromancer
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I'd have gone with MacroShaft, personally, but it's a matter of taste.
SwiftDeath
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I don't know Miles. I don't think I've ever seen someone misspell with a dollar sign before
That seems new to me lol
That (and the inventory draw down) are literally the only things I've heard about the Xbox one on the investor call. It's a pretty weak statistic to report, almost entirely meaningless like you say, and mostly TV services.
I can't decide if it would have been more or less amusing if he had actually done it correctly.
Gonna go with less.
France + Germany alone are about half the US market size.
TheJollyCorner
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I'm not disputing any of that. I think you are right.
But again- why do so many automatically assume Sony dominating will lead to something worse for gamers?
Even Sony's arrogance after PS2's amazing run still gave us a pretty fantastic PS3 system. Sure, it was expensive compared to its competitors. Yes, the PR from the company was terrible ("next-gen starts when we say so", "get a second job", "if you can find one on the shelf I'll give you $1,000"), but it was still pretty good value for that price. You got a top of the line game console. You got a top of the line BluRay device (cheapest on the market). You got free online. You got backwards compatibility with PS1 and PS2 games (at launch).
PS3 is a damn great system. It was at launch. It still is almost 8 years later.
I just want someone to give me more examples why they think the PS4 dominating this gen would be legitimately bad for gamers... examples other than two rough years from 2006-2008 when PS3's price and messaging was poor.
Hell, I don't even think the PS4 will dominate like the PS2 did, but I keep seeing it come up in these sales threads and I have yet to see any compelling arguments other than "but PS3!".
What's bad for gamers is if all of these systems are bombing, which fortunately isn't the case.
Dude...fix your post.
postcyberpunk
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I'm preety drunk so leaVE ME ALONE and fixed
We know that it's at the very least 3.7-3.8 million sold through to consumers, given that Xbone sold 3 million (WW) in 2013, and then another 7-800k (US) total thus far in 2014.
airmangataosenai
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This "If You Ain't First, You're Last!" messaging needs to die. Both exceeded expectations for their companies, it's just that the PS4 exceeded them by a wider margin.
rokkerkory
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Good job? I think this is good.
Fun fact: the guy asking about cloud revenue is Rick Sherlund of Nomura, who previous said:
So it's a shame he didn't press again today.
"We conclude that Xbox platform plus Windows phone and Skype lose about $2.5 billion per year, and we estimate that the Xbox platform may account for roughly $2 billion of this," Sherlund asserted. "This is contrary to conventional wisdom, we think investors do not realize how extensive the operating costs are for this business and it is concealed by the hugely profitable Android royalties."
"Xbox is an orphan in our view," Sherlund said. "It is a 'cool' product line and a successful consumer franchise, but it also loses a lot of money and we think is a distraction to the more enterprise strengths of Microsoft."
"Xbox is an orphan in our view," Sherlund said. "It is a 'cool' product line and a successful consumer franchise, but it also loses a lot of money and we think is a distraction to the more enterprise strengths of Microsoft."
So it's a shame he didn't press again today.
Where would you estimate those extra half million consoles sold? There is no place Microsoft can rely on to pick up slacking sales outside of the US.
I think the xbone didn't exceed expectations given MS specifically noted that the 360 did, but didn't comment on the xbone in their conference call just now as people were saying.
theprodigy
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for consoles? no way
krypt0nian
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Every time you use the few markets comment, it just sounds worse and worse. Those markets will not swing any real numbers, and IMO its just used as a sort of fanboy cushion in statements.
Speedy Blue Dude
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Kicking ass, taking names, and returning to the crown 👑.If MS is succeeding what is Sony doing with PS4?
Also the fact it is not biodegradable, components it uses are made from rare precious earth metals, and it causes leprosy these are GREAT sales!
Miles Quaritch
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Hah, I only just noticed the mistake. Amazing.
gamechanger87
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Long story, but you should spend the 1.99 and go read the Final Hours of Titanfall.
In the end, EA had funded development through its original $30M investment in Respawn. By 2011 there was no game to show and the cash was used up. EA wanted to pull the plug, unless Respawn found cash. Respawn approached Sony and MS. Sony offered funding if they made a Vita game, MS offered up the cash with an understanding that the game would release first on Xbox consoles if they funded. Respawn being a small team took the cash and realized that it would be difficult to make multiple versions anyway.
Syphon Filter
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For ps2 the u.s was a bigger market for them.
Sony finally cashing in on those Talladeega bundles
SwiftDeath
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Would have to be rest of the world sans US
lol
I say the higher estimates because he who should not be named tweeted a strong internal source at MS pegged WW LTD for XB1 at 4.4M - 4.55M like 2 weeks ago or so
I personally expect 4.2M - 4.4M
postcyberpunk
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C'mon... I errored. It happens.
Syphon Filter
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They arent taking a loss for xbox one.
Read the last 2 pages and I'm seeing that word again. Can someone explain to me how the transition from PS2>PS3 was "arrogant"? I only see people talk about silly quotes. I think this post perfectly explains my thoughts on the situation:
About the same, actually. From what I can find, the PS2 sold around 50 million each in North America and Europe.
Psycho_Mantis
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Uno Venova
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This is what I'm saying, the X1 had so much going against it, it's a true champion.
Syphon Filter
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Nah i believe U.S edged it.
SwiftDeath
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I have serious doubts retailers all dropped the TF bundles to $450 without some rebate by MS
If true, MS ate $50 on every $450 TF bundle sold plus the $20 - $30 for the copy of TF
PS2 LTD in the US was just shy of 46M before it stopped being tracked in like 2010
I would say Europe was probably higher than 50% of PS2's WW LTD
Maximilian Kolbe
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Well if they want nuke themselves they can do that
KillerMan91
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Well not by that much. PS2 sold around 50m in both NA and Europe.
LastGamer84
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Sounds like Sony still cares about the Vita at least
The fact that Respawn needed more cash to finish is troubling to me - that suggests the game may have needed to do gangbusters to make that money back.
SwiftDeath
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MS just nuked themselves in the foot.
Syphon Filter
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Even if that was the case you think they will keep doing that. Chances are it will be till an official price cut happens.
makingmusic476
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So the Xbox One's quarterly shipment rate has fallen behind the 360's. It'll be interesting to see if that continues long enough to see the Xbox One's total sales fall behind the 360's over a comparable timeframe. I believe it will.
I've expected it to happen since around launch. The Xbox One isn't as attractive to the general video game audience relative to the ps4 as the 360 was to the ps3, which would imply lower overall lifetime sales for the One versus the 360. However, the 360 expanded the group of dedicated Xbox fans willing to buy an Xbox near launch, and Microsoft has greatly increased the initial supply available to those consumers.
I would expect Microsoft to continue shipping less Ones per quarter than they did 360s, barring any drastic moves on price (likely) or some game changing piece of software (unlikely).
I've expected it to happen since around launch. The Xbox One isn't as attractive to the general video game audience relative to the ps4 as the 360 was to the ps3, which would imply lower overall lifetime sales for the One versus the 360. However, the 360 expanded the group of dedicated Xbox fans willing to buy an Xbox near launch, and Microsoft has greatly increased the initial supply available to those consumers.
I would expect Microsoft to continue shipping less Ones per quarter than they did 360s, barring any drastic moves on price (likely) or some game changing piece of software (unlikely).