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Fighting Games Weekly | May 12-18 | The Bracket Racket
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Catwoman is amazing. I just don't want to put in that much work. Thus my immortal character select screen problem with Injustice.
SloaneRisette
Member
Just saw this, it's nice to see some action being taken.
sixteen-bit
Member
Good that TOs will be held responsible.
Tough but fair.
Capgod doing the right thing. Hope this puts those silly "it doesn't matter" arguments to rest.
DryEyeRelief
Member
So there's going to be a pro tour next year?
Yes. This model is really, really good for them - its blending the FGC elements with something more similar to the MTG Pro Tour, rather than relying on something like MLG which has a billion other competing interests.
sixteen-bit
Member
Capcom with that confidence. Ain't bankrupt yet!
That's the part I find intriguing; it looks like Capcom is all in on the eSports aspect of SF. Which is good, because I firmly believe only the developer / publisher of a game series can functionally run any successful eSports league long-term. (IP broadcast issues would probably come up if something got really big, though ultradavid could speak more to that than I can).
it WILL happen even if the prices are given as dlc codes
Like it or not, eSports is the future
theprodigy
Member
While I'm glad Capcom said something, I think the penalty - pulling Capcom Cup status from ECT next year - is too much since (AFAIK) Capcom didn't have a posted rule against this. Bracket floating blew up after Final Round so it's not reasonable that they would be silent and then punish ECT ex poste facto. (Of course, if they did post a prohibition, that would change my opinion.)
Again, glad they spoke up but under those facts I would have done something less severe - a warning that if it happens again at any tournament, etc.
Pretty sure this is happening. You don't sign players from a decade+ old game out of the blue if there's no big-time exposure coming.
Nintendo's had organized play for both the Pokemon games and TCG for a long-ass time.
SweetJohnnyCage
Member
Someone had to be the example. Honestly, this won't kill ECT next year. What matters to us is that the players aren't getting their points revoked due to our mistake.
100% this. Like Dahbomb said a few days earlier, those eSports companies "know something we don't" about the new Smash and how Nintendo will deal with it
UltraDavid
Member
Oh ok. How do you think this will affect things then? I feel like I get ex flame mostly in punishes and mixups. But if the pushback on back+mk and extra range to flame are real, then maybe this will be nice for buffering back+mk xx ex flame in footsies? Maybe this will make risking an ex flame to deal with frontal dive kicks more rewarding? I dunno, man.
Also, I love interactables. Gotta pay attention to spacing with respect to the opponent, the corners, AND interactables, cool! Annoyed about getting comboed into otg chandelier or something? Well, maybe play for the corners next time. These are space control issues. It's not surprising that characters with good mobility and space control are better at using interactables; they're just better anyway.
Yeah I RT this so hard, I'm not saying she's the best but I feel like you have to be actually bad at fighting games to not win with her. I'm not super scared about vortex and she doesn't make me want to play 3/5s etc, but hot dang is she easy to use.
Edit: re ECT not getting CPT points next year, that's cool with me. I'm glad you're taking it well and want to be constructive for next year, SweetJohnnyCage! I'm really tired of bracket bs, and while I don't want any problems for you or Joe, I do think something like this needed to be done.
I share this opinion. I am glad they are making an official statement that will directly affect the players and TO's involved in future floating, but penalizing ECT after making that statement is a little harsh:/ They are being very clear that they are serious though!
No it isn't. Send a strong message to make sure next guy doesn't think about it. Traditionally warnings on this stuff have been laughed at.
We do need a higher standard of quality and professionalism among east coast TO's specifically.
btw good luck on your future endeavors! Hope to see you making a lot of fighting games, so I can complain directly to you here that your game is broken and you suck at balancing ;D
Shouta
Member
The bracket stuff got drowned out by Full Schedule's buttons.
The ruling is drastic but something like this needed to be done to avoid similar situations in the future.
On the Full Schedule/Final Round thing.... the bracket thing wasn't made public until Full Schedule casually talked about it in a post Final Round video. At least that was the first time I heard about it. By that tournament was long done and it was a Marvel 3 bracket so there were no points at stake. Of course once it was discovered there was a shit storm over it too and resulted in the ridiculous FChamp rage tirade.
On the Full Schedule/Final Round thing.... the bracket thing wasn't made public until Full Schedule casually talked about it in a post Final Round video. At least that was the first time I heard about it. By that tournament was long done and it was a Marvel 3 bracket so there were no points at stake. Of course once it was discovered there was a shit storm over it too and resulted in the ridiculous FChamp rage tirade.
SweetJohnnyCage
Member
Thanks sir! Remind me to get banned on GAF before then hahahahaah.
I think it will make Dhalsim's corner pressure more scary: With the pushback on b.mk now, Sim will be able to do his flame frame traps without getting pushed out, and he can do ex flame for the block advantage and actually get damage from it if it hits. If he gets his damage buff back, I can actually see this being useful.
You mention the anti air scenario, and I am not sure how ex flame works as a meaty. If he does an early anti air ex flame, so that the attacker gets hit late in the active frames, Sim should be able to juggle b.mk xx lp Fireball for a reset mid screen.
Again, if Sim gets his damage buff back, I can see punishes like db.hp, b.hp xx ex flame, st.mp be prettey neat!
Marvel isn't in the Capcom pro tour either. Iirc that's where the bracket floating happened
I still think FS's buttons were fine. Up-back is a single command.
Seasoned Badger
Member
I, for one, am glad Capcom decided to act because the community would have NEVER been able to convince TOs to stop the bracket BS.
Shouta
Member
I'll make sure to unban you then.
Yeah, but you'd figure Capcom would see that and think "Oh hay, we better say something about this!"
UltraDavid
Member
Yeah, I suppose it makes the idea of playing offense with frame traps and crossups more viable, and that'd definitely be a nice change of pace.
PS the recovery on Zangief's st mk in USF4 makes me happy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z63baDZOatk (Gief v DeeJay, Hugo in there as well)
GenoZStriker
Neo Member
That is reaching a danger zone that Capcom does not want. Getting a bit too hands on with tournaments and having too much influence. While it is their game being used, their affiliation with Final Round was only for Street Fighter 4 and the Pro Tour. How they choose to do MvC3 is up to them. That's why Capcom had to release a statement for ECT because in this case, it involved SSF4.
Shouta
Member
That's a whole different discussion but I was fine with it personally, lol.
No, you're misreading. They should've thought "Hrm, Marvel had that issue. We're doing CPT soon for Street Fighter, let's make sure this doesn't happen".
It doesn't have anything to do with Final Round affiliation, it's about giving TOs notice of what the rules and the punishments are. "We saw this happen, and we walk to give everyone fair warning that if it happens in a CPT, then ....."
You can't follow a rule that doesn't exist, and based on all the discussion after FR and ECT this year, you'd be hard pressed to prove that the FGC has any generally accepted view on bracket floating, either. TOs of big majors don't like it, but others are okay with it. So even if you wanted to say that Capcom is enforcing a conduct standard that TO's should know, there's no community standard that you can say ECT fell afoul of.
I honestly don't know how someone would think it's an ok thing to do.
Capcom needed to make a statement given what happened at FR about shenanigans in general. ECT just happened to be the unlucky event that got caught. It won't hurt them that much though- they'll still be able to run an event, they just might not get the out-of-region folks, but they got enough to run an event, and it's not like the NJ folks don't have other close options like NEC/Summer Jam.
Hopefully Capcom remains this proactive about the integrity of events.
Get well soon, Q.
While I do appreciate the transparency for the TOs in explaining why they did what they did, I still hope that this catches the attention of other TOs.
While I do appreciate the transparency for the TOs in explaining why they did what they did, I still hope that this catches the attention of other TOs.
You should ask Mike "The Floating Twitch Cop" Ross. He said that if he ran a tournament he would float everyone he wanted to float. And it's not just him, he even cited West Coast Warzone as an example of bracket floating all the way up to top 8 with constant shuffling.
Quite a few top players are completely fine with floating. So yea he's right... there's no real consensus on this issue within the FGC.
Huw_Dawson
Member
The ruling isn't that drastic - it's just points for CPT, it's not as if Capcom is banning USF4 from being at next year's ECT or anything.
It's banning them from being part of Capcom's Pro Tour. I would say that's a fairly drastic ruling.
Curry-Hakase
Member
Take it easy, Q and get better soon.
UltraDavid
Member
Is it true that Akuma far stand fierce is cancelable in USF4?
Gentleman Jack
Member
ChrisG and Sanford getting all sour grapes on Twitter.
It's incredible how Chris G ALWAYS manages to be on the wrong side of any discussion...
FGC Top Players, ladies and gentlemen.
All we need is Fchamp to put someone somewhere "on blast" and then we'll be on par for the course.
I just went on Twitter and they are basically saying "does anyone care about Capcom Pro Tour?"
This mind you is coming from one guy who doesn't care about EVO and another guy who lately hasn't been attending EVO regularly. So if they don't care about EVO they are probably not going to care about Capcom Pro Tour either.
This mind you is coming from one guy who doesn't care about EVO and another guy who lately hasn't been attending EVO regularly. So if they don't care about EVO they are probably not going to care about Capcom Pro Tour either.