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In Theory: Does Kinect-free Xbox One mean more power for games? [DIGITAL FOUNDRY]
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Microsoft invented DirectX though.
muzzymate
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As mentioned in Eurogramer's Titanfall Tech Interview, as of Titanfall's launch, the 8% GPU giveback was not available to developers.
larrybird33
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I'm no expert but isn't it a simple fact that the hardware is just worse? Whatever optimisation they claim to be able to do can presumably be done on PS4 and keep or widen the gap anyway right?
Yes you're right, some people have a really hard time accepting that though.
Yes the PS4 will always be more powerful. The Xbox One getting this improvements will be good though regardless.
Pls dont give a certain blog mister any fuel for absurd ideas. No good will come out of it.
domthybomb
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You see freeing 10% space and having DX12 will make it 10x12 = 120% increase in resolution.
muzzymate
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The point being made was early gen games wouldn't hit 1080p on Xbox One while later gen games would.
Whether that's true or not remains to be seen.
djplaeskool
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Keep reaching for that rainbow
This may not be thread whining.
Cthulhu_Steev
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They can reconfigure the Turboencabulator to 3.5mhz and hopefully cause a negative reality inversion in the process.
I guess your Mum must have clicked on this thread and forced you to read it. Tough break. Tell her you don't like pixel talk.
That's assuming linear potential and it's not. The ESRAM will be their albatross this entire generation.
zackmorris
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Even if that was possible, wouldn't they still need to reserve that "power" since millions of Xbox ones still use the kinect? Just because they are selling a model without it, doesn't mean you can ignore all the consoles that use it.
It's silly to think that development tools and technologies won't improve throughout the life of the system.
Yeah this is what i was thinking.
If they made a game that uses that 10% more power, what happens when Kinect is connected?
Will the game run worse? Or would graphics be downgraded (like lowering some settings on PC) to accomodate the kinect 10% power use?
I have no problem with this thread, hence why I entered it. People can talk pixels all they like. As I just said, my problem is when the most important thing is no longer discussed, just whether the game looks pretty or not.
What you say is correct in that the hardware differences will never be closed, however the point is the kinect is adding a further 10% gpu overhead on the current hardware difference. Removing that will help reduce the gap from where games are currently? Past that the only efficiencies to be had will be software related.
BuggeryBugz
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qa_engineer
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Why write this digital foundry? The hardware advantage cannot be overcome, so why even write an article speculating if the power gap can be overcome? Pointless.
Clicks = revenue.
BuggeryBugz
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Did you actually even read the article? It's about the the xbox one possibly getting a boost in performance.
Why do websites that gain revenue from ads write frivolous articles that will get posted all around social media sites/forums by people who have emotional investment in the subject matter?
Developers getting more familiar with the machine is applicable to both machines.
MS providing improved tools over time can apply to Sony as well
MS reserving 10% for kinect gestures and voice when barely any games use kinect is bad system design so while fixing it is welcomed! it shouldn't have been there in the first place.
Keep voice for Xbox go home etc, ditch gestures unless the developer needs them
ValeYard
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To me, it seems like a crazy hardware situation vis-à-vis ps4 right now (FYI I only on the x1 of the new consoles). They have less compute units and ROPS available due to eSRAM taking up space on the die meaning the APU is smaller, and lose ten percent to Kinect and snap. No wonder multiplats are nowhere near close in resolution. Oh well, onward and upwards.
What is frivolous about it? Do you study the hardware and understand what is being said here or are you just parroting what is being said by others who equally know dick?
I agree with you.
Why do you think the article is frivolous? Its expanding on the news that broke yesterday - MS want to hand back some of the 10% the kinect is using, nothing more than that.
Is that not news? they even talk about when the new XDK will hit?
In Leadbetter (Read: MS PR) speak when the XB1 is 720p and PS4 is 1080p the difference is 50% (instead of 125% based on number of pixels)
When XB1 goes from 720p to around 50% more pixels around 850p or something like that, MS PR (Leadbetter) says it improved 50%.
Read before you post. Pointless.
Oppo
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Did you read the OP before posting? Its not about making the XBO as powerful as the PS4 its about trying to close the gap a bit.
Reading comprehension has to be at an all time low...
There are so many who don't read when it comes to MS threads. They look at posts and go with the flock. It is pathetic.
What has this article got to do with the PS4 or any power gap?
Yeah this sort of shit is poisoning all tech discussion here on GAF.
OK just calm it - your bias posts are becoming tedious in Microsoft threads and it shits the threads up for me.
They do mention PS4 10 times in the article. You did read it didn't yer?
Pretty ridiculous every time a Eurogamer article is posted about MS, the reading comprehension takes an all time low with people claiming its stating the XBO will perform just as good as the PS4.
READ the article people. It states performance will improve and help but likely not enough and most performance boosts will come from other factors as well. Simple.
Since the Kinect isn't disappearing wouldn't a developer have to assume it would be present otherwise the experience would be choppy and unresponsive as the resources wouldn't be available? Or are they taking about coding with 2 different levels of performance in mind. No Kinect = you get your extra handful of pixels. Kinect = lower res or less fps.
Don't tell me to calm it; I am expressing frustration with posts like I pointed out. You don't agree?
ValeYard
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I think it would be like with the 360: when Kinect was used for a game it required resources, otherwise no, I guess. It all sounds simple, but probably is not trivial to implement due to this being baked into the OS.
Gonna be fun to see what they actually do with this, but this won't really do much for the power gap as tools for both consoles will improve with time but ESRAM will always remain the same on Xbox One.
I doubt they'll do much anyway, you'd have two different performance levels: consoles with Kinect, consoles without Kinect. Would be a clusterfuck.
I doubt they'll do much anyway, you'd have two different performance levels: consoles with Kinect, consoles without Kinect. Would be a clusterfuck.