psychotron
Member
Yes, and this is what absolutely killed Infamous Second Son for me. A lot of people simply don't notice this, but it stuck out so bad for me that I wanted to stop playing.
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Digital Foundry: Hands on with the Destiny PS4 beta
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Yes, and this is what absolutely killed Infamous Second Son for me. A lot of people simply don't notice this, but it stuck out so bad for me that I wanted to stop playing.
Summer Haze
Banned
Agreed on both counts. Destiny looks great on my TV. I noticed a few jaggies here and there, but overall it looks quite clean to me......especially after coming from the jag-fest last-gen console games.
RedAssedApe
Banned
i guess i need to play some more. dont recall the beta juddering but maybe im not force sensitive
Zombie James
Banned
Aliasing, screen tearing, texture shimmering, and stuttering are all things we shouldn't have to deal with anymore on current hardware, imho. We've already seen games released that have immaculately clean IQ, like Infamous: Second Son. Just slapping on a weak version of FXAA and calling it a day isn't good enough anymore.
FaultTolerance
Banned
Oh geez, their "tech analysis" on trailers is especially embarrassing... Makes it really hard to take them seriously when they do an actual tech analysis.
fluffydelusions
Look, i'm one of the guys who argues that 60fps is not a necessity but wow this game is bad. I can see and feel the effects which actually affects my ability to play the game properly. They should fix this shit, its unacceptable.
Windom Earle
Member
No it's not pointless. It's interesting to know where we stand, and as Dark has pointed out this is a known issue for Bungie games and there is a high chance it will make it into the final code.
I agree.
I find it pretty odd that they can't hit 60fps at 1080p in this game, especially after seeing how well the previous gen version version is holding up. Visually the game isn't doing anything spectacular, it looks fine, but it's not blowing me away with any next-gen-ness other than sharpened textures and better shadows. I like the game a lot, and have the Limited Edition pre-ordered even, but from a world and gameplay mechanic standpoint, it still feels very much like a game tethered to consoles limited to 512MB of RAM.
The article is only an analysis of the current PS4 beta build. There is no mention, or comparison of, the Xbox One version.
I can feel the judder all over the place, but I still think the game plays great. It's not buttery smooth though.
IAmRandom31
Banned
Me neither. The only thing I have noticed is some sort of framerate drop in the menus. In game though it has been all gravy
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Infamous runs at higher than 30 framerate. Feels like something north of 40 most of the time, I'd say. Unless you're saying they botched the 30FPS lock option by introducing this frame pacing judder when you enable it?
It's very useful that they do it, because it exposes a problem that maybe not even everyone at Bungie is aware of.
I'm just checking... are we supposed to believe Bungie will have no problem improving the final release of Destiny for the XBOne to 1080p/30 (even though the beta has preemptively been disclaimed to be unable to pull that off) while simultaneously doubting they will be able to get the PS4 release version to 1080p/30 (even though the beta is unable to pull that off)?
I just want to make sure I know which way the mob is leaning so I don't stand out from the herd...
I just want to make sure I know which way the mob is leaning so I don't stand out from the herd...
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psychotron
Member
Frame pacing issue was there all along. Wasn't fixed when they capped at 30.
This isn't the same thing. What happens in Second Son is more due to genuine slow down (dips under 30 fps) and data streaming hitches. Even when limited to 30 fps it doesn't feel completely smooth. When unlocked it's just all over the place. It's not really frame ordering that's broken with SS.
OK, I mean, there is still judder due to some frames persisting longer than others, but the root cause and effect is not the same as Destiny.
Thats not what happened with Infamous...
THANK YOU URK! If you're still reading this thread, let it be known that everyone loves SMAA and you should be looking into it for future things.
Well, running at anything other than 30 or 60 is going to have judder of some kind. A locked 40 FPS means it's averaging 2 unique frames per 3 refreshes, which looks like this:
45 FPS is is 3/4 new frames:
So on and so forth. The pattern is different but it still reduces the perceived smoothness.
The only way around it is something like G-sync where the refresh rate is continually variable and frames stay onscreen in specific numbers of milliseconds instead of refreshes that happen at regular internals.
Well, running at anything other than 30 or 60 is going to have judder of some kind. A locked 40 FPS means it's averaging 2 unique frames per 3 refreshes, which looks like this:
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1 1 2 3 3 4 5 5 645 FPS is is 3/4 new frames:
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1 2 3 3 4 5 6 6So on and so forth. The pattern is different but it still reduces the perceived smoothness.
The only way around it is something like G-sync where the refresh rate is continually variable and frames stay onscreen in specific numbers of milliseconds instead of refreshes that happen at regular internals.
Is he a Bungie guy?
FaultTolerance
Banned
Yes, urk is.
psychotron
Member
I'm not an expert obviously, but it caused a similar stuttering feel. I would rather have frame dips than micro stuttering. Either way, Destiny feels much smoother to me.
Cool.
Maybe when Beta come back after the maintenance.
btw: i didn't notice this kind of things.
Yeah, i noticed this in the alpha. Still there now. Moving the camera at full speed left and right feels a lot less than 30fps. The game still seems to be running roughly in that ballpark, so judder must be making it seem worse.
I have no idea how you can think that this is 'buttery smooth'. While the fps issues aren't hugely problematic, it's clearly a long way from smooth.
I have no idea how you can think that this is 'buttery smooth'. While the fps issues aren't hugely problematic, it's clearly a long way from smooth.
bananafactory
Banned
I feel like I'm playing a different game than everyone else. Seeing words like "solid" and "buttery smooth" is in direct contrast to what I've experienced. The game is fun, but the whole thing just feels choppy as fuck, especially when turning the camera. I'm honestly surprised it's averaging 30, to me it feels like low to mid 20s much of the time.
krypt0nian
Banned
CyberPunked
Member
It is quite bad. If the Order 1886 has 4xMSAA, then there is no excuse that a game of this visual quality doesn't have it either.
The Lamonster
Member
Hey urk:
There should be some way for us white PS4 bundle dudes to upgrade our Destiny to the Digital Guardian Edition. I want those goodies :/
There should be some way for us white PS4 bundle dudes to upgrade our Destiny to the Digital Guardian Edition. I want those goodies :/
The game is a locked 30 fps, but has frame pacing issues. This is what I learned in this thread.
So the 1080p resolution is not the problem.
Depending on how you count your frames, the pacing issues could be considered equivalent to the game briefly dropping to "20 FPS" then rebounding to 60 before returning to normal. It feels different from normal dropped frames or a meandering framerate because it happens in discrete bursts.
Jessie.Bristol
Member
Framing pacing issues are not affected by resolution. Dropping it from 1080p won't do anything. It has to do with how the engine is spitting out frames, right now they can be a bit uneven causing the judder.
FaultTolerance
Banned
Jessie.Bristol
Member
AA doesn't have anything to do with judder/stutter.
FaultTolerance
Banned
Clearly you know the ins and outs of the engines driving Destiny and The Order. Please feel free to enlighten us.
Mr Moose
Member
Same here, I felt it in the alpha (no frame drops though), haven't since playing the beta.