They went with the same plan as in the 2nd match, which they won quite comfortably. They just made the wrong call with the sneaky Roshan. Compared to the game before they had even more counter-push with the Timbersaw in addition to the Alchemist, Enigma and Mirana. They played pretty much perfectly the 3rd game, giving VG no easy kills, except for the lucky invis rune for first blood. Then they did that Roshan and it just killed their ability to defend that deathball. That said, I don't think they should have gg'ed out so early, there was a small chance they could have pulled it back.
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(Jul 8-21) The International 2014 DOTA 2 Championships: $10.5 million prize pool
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They went with the same plan as in the 2nd match, which they won quite comfortably. They just made the wrong call with the sneaky Roshan. Compared to the game before they had even more counter-push with the Timbersaw in addition to the Alchemist, Enigma and Mirana. They played pretty much perfectly the 3rd game, giving VG no easy kills, except for the lucky invis rune for first blood. Then they did that Roshan and it just killed their ability to defend that deathball. That said, I don't think they should have gg'ed out so early, there was a small chance they could have pulled it back.
So I missed the finals, which of the games are worth watching? I don't care about any of them being stomps as long as they were skilled beatdowns VS one team just feeding like morons.
Overall TI4 was pretty fun and Valve should probably see it as a success. I didn't get the end result I wanted but the journey there was pretty damn fulfilling.
Overall TI4 was pretty fun and Valve should probably see it as a success. I didn't get the end result I wanted but the journey there was pretty damn fulfilling.
They did not play perfectly. Mason walked up and chrono'd twice. Zai was far behind because of his farming woes early + the support denial of his jungle. Arteezy got too greedy. Timber was a bad pick when it forced Mason onto void. Why not pick centaur, invoker, puck? Something with early damage to threaten a real fight at thoae t2's.
Well game 4 of the finals was a total massacre so watch that
LGD vs DK game 1 was also hilarious because of the ending
VG vs C9 game 2 was also great for the comeback
Gully State
Member
Why did Vici tap out after 15 min? Was it that bad? I mean you're playing for $5 mil...Wouldn't it be worth drawing out the game as long as possible?
Omotesando
Member
I think most of it comes down to three things:
1) The western teams haven't been able to take a stand against the Chinese superiority, even the best one (EG) had to bow out in an act of submission unworthy of a Loser Bracket final. Chinese dominance prior to the GF had most people already going into emo mode.
2) The teams we have come to expect to do well have all perished early and offcourse the favorites Na'vi and C9. Alliance first, then Na'vi and iG, C9, then ultimately the favorite of most people DK, who fell to the might of VG.
3) The GF itself, VG just couldn't handle Newbee like they could handle the other teams. They went 12-3 in the groupstages, but later lost 5 out of 7 games to Newbee. This kind of meta is really punishing. The side of winning or losing is divided through a very thin thread and can be decided in one fast and furious fight.
All in all, I really like this super agressive Russian style dota, but with Chinese precision and supression. I am looking forward how the Western teams are going to figure this one out, like they did with [A].
1) The western teams haven't been able to take a stand against the Chinese superiority, even the best one (EG) had to bow out in an act of submission unworthy of a Loser Bracket final. Chinese dominance prior to the GF had most people already going into emo mode.
2) The teams we have come to expect to do well have all perished early and offcourse the favorites Na'vi and C9. Alliance first, then Na'vi and iG, C9, then ultimately the favorite of most people DK, who fell to the might of VG.
3) The GF itself, VG just couldn't handle Newbee like they could handle the other teams. They went 12-3 in the groupstages, but later lost 5 out of 7 games to Newbee. This kind of meta is really punishing. The side of winning or losing is divided through a very thin thread and can be decided in one fast and furious fight.
All in all, I really like this super agressive Russian style dota, but with Chinese precision and supression. I am looking forward how the Western teams are going to figure this one out, like they did with [A].
StrongArmSteady
Member
they were getting rekt in every team fight, they had no answers to Newbees play....did you not see the score line?
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The Everyman
you still have your fans and dignity to consider. if it really is over, then it's over.
Finals were rigged kappa
An arrow, so much counter push.
Omotesando
Member
How can something that had happened not be factual?
I have watched the rest of the tournament, I just slept through part of the finals and then got distracted by making food so I missed the rest.
Afterparty with cameras would be awesome for us, horrible for people attending it
DARUDE
They did that two games in a row. With no T3 towers, let alone raxes, down.
PsychoSoldier
Banned
Yep, now that the stakes are higher, I have a distinct feeling that more resources are going to be put towards strategy and drafting on an organizational level.
I feel like the way this develops depends highly upon how much the post-TI tournament scene shakes out. If there's hardly any tournaments that are worth the use of that level of resources to win there may not be much movement until the period closer to TI5. In this way I think that the big tourney payout might be a double-edged sword for the scene---it increases exposure and is obviously great for the teams who did well but the question is how many of the best teams are going to be willing to do smaller tourneys after such a substantial payday.
Lactose_Intolerant
Member
it is like 3 pm
also, they should throw streaming it in the bin, no one wants to be filmed while drunk.
Yep, horrible scheduling
Complex Shadow
Cudi Lame
am I the only one who thinks tide needs a buff?
Another buff? Anchor smash is amazing, ravage is amazing and he's tanky as fuck with kraken shell.
I'm actually surprised that neither team picked Tidehunter.
EG was down almost 10,000 gold 15 minutes in. They were getting crushed in game 3.
Sgt.Pepper
Banned
Why. He's a support-ish initiator with a skill that makes farming ancients super ez with no fear of dying.
"Did not have the capacity"
Those are the words used. Capacity implies no retroactive decision making would have allowed them to win against VG. Patently false as they won the previous game while still making several errors and having an uninspiring weaver.
You didn't say "were unable to win". Which while factual doesn't allow you to cast global unsubstantiated aspersions against the potential of a team without logical arguments.
Booty Patrol
Banned
Not many people used Mirana in the main event. Queen will get no changes in the next patch.
SteveWinwood
Member
Complex Shadow
Cudi Lame
I don't know. I never use tide often. That and I always miss Smash.
Sgt.Pepper
Banned
Not many people used Mirana in the main event. Queen will get no changes in the next patch.
But less tryhards will pick her and go for Razor. It is all good.
Omotesando
Member
Sure they have the capacity to win a game, but surely they didn't in a BO3 and that had happened.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
Are you invited because you found the .02 health regen bug?
mysteriousmage09
Member
Just looking at the results, looks like I was right on the stomp fest.
It's spamming with low mana cost, the debuff is insane, decent damage.
Tide OP.
He got banned from doing stuff like that after through
Shorty11857
Member
There's nothing they can really do when the games are such stomps. The combined time for the 4 games was under 90 minutes or similar
Not before he stole savior's life essense
Booty Patrol
Banned
ChrisMahoney
Banned
Valve and Dota 2 fans just sent millions of dollars to China hahaha
Well the best hope is another Asus Dreamleague leading into Dreamhack winter. I hope it happens because Dota teams need the year round competitive stability to justify the increased resources required to keep up internationally.
I imagine if Dreamleague winter happens it'll be easier to organize smaller tournaments as well to keep teams in form. Year round competitive team mobas is all I want
PsychoSoldier
Banned
Well the best hope is another Asus Dreamleague leading into Dreamhack winter. I hope it happens because Dota teams need the year round competitive stability to justify the increased resources required to keep up internationally.
I imagine if Dreamleague winter happens it'll be easier to organize smaller tournaments as well to keep teams in form. Year round competitive team mobas is all I want
I just want more Dota 2 tourneys at NA-friendly times. They seem very rare unfortunately.
No, I just read the badge people had.
yeah, shit was clearly rigged. it's not like they were losing so hard that they couldn't do anything to win the game.
Oh. I'm na but my work setup lets me listen/watch some during the day. It's really convenient for anything except watching the asian scene live. League(specifically OGN) is really good about doing rebroadcasts but not all the dota tournies are equal in that respect.
It's a tough sell for NA evening times because of how bad it is in the more lucrative markets. That said most of Dreamleague wasnt that early and they scheduled NA favored teams later in the day.
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