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[Jinko]

Portability is a massive part of Pokémon. It's a massive part of why it's a success. It's a massive part of why it continues to be a success. If they remove it, they just destroy what it is to be Pokémon.

Portability is not the only reason why its successful otherwise every handheld game out there would be a success .. right ?

If you could catch pokemon like you do in Denpa men you might have a point but that's clearly not the case.

You seem to be ignoring my idea of making it multiplatform (WiiU/3DS) which solves both issues. As you mentioned before though the development cost would go up but if a large budget is good enough for Mario and Zelda games why not Pokemon ?

They can have all the features that are on Home Console on the 3DS in addition to the portability. There is no logical reason to bring it onto the home console.

Better graphics, better AI, better internet connectivity (ie always online whilst playing the game, unlike the broken connection you get with hand-held because of battery life), the other logical reason might be because fans may want it on home console.

Nintendo's handheld market share is rapidly decreasing due to mobile gaming if they want to keep their games relevant them cross platform seems as good an idea as any.

 

[Hyunashi]

If only. A Pokemon MMO even, would be one of the greatest things ever.

 

[ForsakenLotus]

That's what spinoffs are for.

You could tell the people who are clamoring for "characters" never playing the dungeon games, a.k.a. Pokemon Feels.

I've never played the Dungeon games, no. I have played my fair share of Pokemon games though, and the story and characters range from highly forgettable to goofy in the not so charming way. It's not the focus to be sure, but it is still valid.

I know it won't happen, but it's still fun to imagine what could be done. As great as the Pokemon games are, they don't really capture the feel of battle as presented in the anime. Imagine if battles were 3D, with real-time turn based combat. All four moves are set to the ABXY buttons. Whether there is a Grandia action bar or a ATB bar, it would still be strategic but more hectic - just like the trainers in the show.

It's doesn't make much business sense to develop a legitimate, full fledged Pokemon game on a home console; but it's fun to daydream about. That's all.

 

[Village]

Just power in general. All "improvements" would be superficial at best.

Oh,

Superficial depends on what you think what improve Pokemon, some think a bigger world and more immersive elements would improve Pokemon greatly. To explore the lands of their childhoods like reading an old Winnie the pooh book ya know. I think if there was ever like a console remake of any of the Pokemon games people might actually cry.

That said, what I want out of Pokemon is something they could do on hand helds, but thats for another thread.

While I will not say I need pokemon on a console, I will not say every improvement is superficial, people see value in different things.

 

[pinkurocket]

A pkmn MMO would be such an undertaking, and I wonder if the concept of Pokémon could even be balanced properly for an MMO... Hmm.

 

[Turdburger]

A properly done 3D Pokemon MMO would destroy the internet.

 

[ChipotIe]

is this the quintessential 90's kid/genwunner post?

That's a little to entitled to represent my take on this but as a 90s kid myself I will say that I've been waiting patiently for a long time and all I got was Gale of Darkness and if you ask me a sure-fire way of putting the WII-U on top of the console sales race would have been to make a sprawling pokemon epic, something akin to Xenoblade chronicles only replacing monsters with pokemon.

Seriously - who wouldn't buy a Pokemon Gaiden game day 1.

 

[JoeM86]

Portability is not the only reason why its successful otherwise every handheld game out there would be a success .. right ?

If you could catch pokemon like you do in Denpa men you might have a point but that's clearly not the case.

You seem to be ignoring my idea of making it multiplatform (WiiU/3DS) which solves both issues. As you mentioned before though the development cost would go up but if a large budget is good enough for Mario and Zelda games why not Pokemon ?



Better graphics, better AI, better internet connectivity (ie always online whilst playing the game, unlike the broken connection you get with hand-held because of battery life), the other logical reason might be because fans may want it on home console.

Nintendo's handheld market share is rapidly decreasing due to mobile gaming if they want to keep their games relevant them cross platform seems as good an idea as any.

Making it multiplatform doesn't solve both issues. It creates more issues, especially in terms of development.

I never said Pokémon was the only reason it was a success, I said it was a massive reason. Please refrain from putting words in my mouth. You're older, hence why you're on NeoGAF, so you don't see it often, but in Japan and with the youth, the portability aspect is still HUGE. Seriously, it's astonishing how huge it still is.

Also, you can be always online with the 3DS one. If the battery goes down, then just plug the console in. Job done.

And, again, as I have said countless times, Nintendo doesn't decide this. Game Freak decide the games made, the consoles they're made on etc. While Nintendo does own a big part of the franchise, they don't have absolute say. Why do you think Gen 5 were on the DS and not the 3DS?

 

[Maintenance]

Also, you can be always online with the 3DS one. If the battery goes down, then just plug the console in. Job done.

But then it is not portable anymore...

 

[JoeM86]

But then it is not portable anymore...

You're not going to be online when you're doing the portable aspects of the game anyway

 

[Maintenance]

You're not going to be online when you're doing the portable aspects of the game anyway

I'm sorry, but now you've confused me. What portable aspects? I thought playing the game wherever I wanted was the reason.

Just to explain why I said that: you said that there wasn't anything that consoles couldn't do that would be better than handhelds. He said that consoles could be always online, since they are not portable and can stay in one place, connected, and no one is gonna say "damn, why can't I take my Wii U / PS4 / X1 with me while it is online?". However, you said that handhelds can also be always online, but you need to plug them in. That would go against what a handheld is, IMO, since many people have it to be portable (not my case, but just to stand my point).

 

[JoeM86]

I'm sorry, but now you've confused me. What portable aspects? I thought playing the game wherever I wanted was the reason.

Just to explain why I said that: you said that there wasn't anything that consoles couldn't do that would be better than handhelds. He said that consoles could be always online, since they are not portable and can stay in one place, connected, and no one is gonna say "damn, why can't I take my Wii U / PS4 / X1 with me while it is online?". However, you said that handhelds can also be always online, but you need to plug them in. That would go against what a handheld is, IMO, since many people have it to be portable (not my case, but just to stand my point).

With a home console, you're playing at home. When you're playing online on your 3DS, chances are you're playing at home.

You can't take your Wii U to meets with you, or to events etc. You can with the 3DS.

 

[Kura]

So you remove the main argument and ask me to think of more, just because you don't like it?

Portability is a massive part of Pokémon. It's a massive part of why it's a success. It's a massive part of why it continues to be a success. If they remove it, they just destroy what it is to be Pokémon.

They can have all the features that are on Home Console on the 3DS in addition to the portability. There is no logical reason to bring it onto the home console.

You can beat the game being at home. You can trade at home. And batte at home.

There no such thing as 'portability in mind' anymore.
That was for when the only way to trade was the cable link. That's the past.

In the present Pokemon could benefit a lot, and I mean, A LOT, from being in powerful hardware,

With a home console, you're playing at home. When you're playing online on your 3DS, chances are you're playing at home.

You can't take your Wii U to meets with you, or to events etc. You can with the 3DS.

And the fact that you cant bring your Wii U to events does automatically impossible a console Pokemon to success?

 

[JoeM86]

You can beat the game being at home. You cant trade at home. And batte at home.

Which is why they added online features, so you can trade and battle at home. Some of the best online features that have hit a Nintendo platform, in fact. I was just doing it, in fact.

There no such thing as 'portability in mind' anymore.
That was for when the only way to trade was the cable link. That's the past.

In the present Pokemon could benefit a lot, and I mean, A LOT, from being in powerful hardware,

There really is. You may not see it, but I do.

Also, how would it benefit. How would it alter the gameplay? What can it do other than make it look prettier and have the false sense of "immersion"

 

[Forkball]

If only. A Pokemon MMO even, would be one of the greatest things ever.

Pokemon XY was already a secret Pokemon MMO. Using PSS, you would get a list of players who were currently on the same route from around the world, whom you could instantly challenge to battles or trades.

 

[web01]

All the 3D models already exist which would significantly reduce the workload.

 

[harmonize]

A lot of typical Nintendo mindset here. Like if playing safe without taking any risks were the only way to go.

The reasoning doesn't even hold up if you take it to its next logical extreme. Pretty much every 3D Zelda game after Ocarina of Time heavily reuses its combat system, and since that game can run on a 3DS, is there genuinely any reason to not just make all future 3D Zelda releases for that system, since it almost certainly would require less resources and sell to a bigger fanbase? Could Metroid Prime run on a 3DS if scaled down graphically? If so, how much farther can you really innovate on that system of exploration and combat for a 3D Metroid that doesn't just involve "superficial changes" or better graphics? How much differently does Morrowind truly play from Skyrim if you strip down the graphics? It's, like, the same game right?

Surely most of you remember what it felt like a few weeks ago when Aonuma sat in front of the new Zelda's overworld at E3 and explained that you could go literally anywhere on the map that you could see. Could you do anything like that on a 3DS? Christ, some of you have incredibly stagnant imaginations if you couldn't picture Pokemon breaking its top-down perspective to give us something like that, allowing us to search every nook and cranny for a Pokemon to catch. And that's literally one facet that has nothing to do with the changes that could be made to the battle system or the actual encountering mechanics that could be done to differentiate it from its handheld counterparts.

 

[Kura]

Which is why they added online features, so you can trade and battle at home. Some of the best online features that have hit a Nintendo platform, in fact. I was just doing it, in fact.

Sorry, that was a typo.

 

[Maintenance]

The reasoning doesn't even hold up if you take it to its next logical extreme. Pretty much every 3D Zelda game after Ocarina of Time heavily reuses its combat system, and since that game can run on a 3DS, is there genuinely any reason to not just make all future 3D Zelda releases for that system, since it almost certainly would require less resources and sell to a bigger fanbase? Could Metroid Prime run on a 3DS if scaled down graphically? If so, how much farther can you really innovate on that system of exploration and combat for a 3D Metroid that doesn't just involve "superficial changes" or better graphics? How much differently does Morrowind truly play from Skyrim if you strip down the graphics? It's, like, the same game right?

Surely most of you remember what it felt like a few weeks ago when Aonuma sat in front of the new Zelda's overworld at E3 and explained that you could go literally anywhere on the map that you could see. Could you do anything like that on a 3DS? Christ, some of you have incredibly stagnant imaginations if you couldn't picture Pokemon breaking its top-down perspective to give us something like that, allowing us to search every nook and cranny for a Pokemon to catch. And that's literally one facet that has nothing to do with the changes that could be made to the battle system or the actual encountering mechanics that could be done to differentiate it from its handheld counterparts.

Nice post, especially the bolded.

 

[JoeM86]

The reasoning doesn't even hold up if you take it to its next logical extreme. Pretty much every 3D Zelda game after Ocarina of Time heavily reuses its combat system, and since that game can run on a 3DS, is there genuinely any reason to not just make all future 3D Zelda releases for that system, since it almost certainly would require less resources and sell to a bigger fanbase? Could Metroid Prime run on a 3DS if scaled down graphically? If so, how much farther can you really innovate on that system of exploration and combat for a 3D Metroid that doesn't just involve "superficial changes" or better graphics? How much differently does Morrowind truly play from Skyrim if you strip down the graphics? It's, like, the same game right?

Surely most of you remember what it felt like a few weeks ago when Aonuma sat in front of the new Zelda's overworld at E3 and explained that you could go literally anywhere on the map that you could see. Could you do anything like that on a 3DS? Christ, some of you have incredibly stagnant imaginations if you couldn't picture Pokemon breaking its top-down perspective to give us something like that, allowing us to search every nook and cranny for a Pokemon to catch. And that's literally one facet that has nothing to do with the changes that could be made to the battle system or the actual encountering mechanics that could be done to differentiate it from its handheld counterparts.

For a game like Zelda, yeah that sort of thing is awesome, but for Pokémon it doesn't necessarily add much. It certainly doesn't justify the removal of the portable aspect.

 

[Jinko]

Also, how would it benefit. How would it alter the gameplay? What can it do other than make it look prettier and have the false sense of "immersion"

The whole point of immersion is to be fake.

I would like to see a console version with actual pokemon models running around in the HD grass, so instead of a random battle you could go out and hunt down pokemon, there are a lot of improvements that could be done to the game including enemy AI and trainer AI.

 

[JoeM86]

The whole point of immersion is to be fake.

I would like to see a console version with actual pokemon models running around in the HD grass, so instead of a random battle you could go out and hunt down pokemon, there are a lot of improvements that could be done to the game including enemy AI and trainer AI.

Improvements to the AI is perfectly feasible on a handheld, and not limited to home console. As for actual Pokémon models, that would be cool, but on consideration, it would actually be more detrimental. Look at say Kalos Route 7, so many Pokémon there. It'd not be feasible or practical. Especially as more and more Pokémon get added so more and more Pokémon are in the routes. Plus, the entire rarity part is gone. What they'd need to do is strike a balance between random encounters and the occasional Pokémon in the overworld. Also, again, that's perfectly feasible on a handheld.

 

[Turdburger]

For a game like Zelda, yeah that sort of thing is awesome, but for Pokémon it doesn't necessarily add much. It certainly doesn't justify the removal of the portable aspect.

Yes, in your stagnant opinion.

I'm sure many, many people would disagree.

 

[Cjdamon042]

For a game like Zelda, yeah that sort of thing is awesome, but for Pokémon it doesn't necessarily add much. It certainly doesn't justify the removal of the portable aspect.

But why can't we have both?

And it definitely adds a lot. Being able to see Pokémon in their natural habitat interacting with each other and the player, and exploring this vast world in full 3D, would definitely add a lot to the game in my mind. It's what I want to see the most and the handheld games can't really offer that.

I'm not saying replace the main handheld series with something completely different, I wouldn't want them to, but I don't see why we couldn't have something for the consoles as well. Referring to an earlier post of mine for examples:

I personally would love to see a full adventure Pokémon game on home consoles again. It doesn't have to replace the handheld series or anything like that, nor would I want it to, but I think the Wii U deserves a full size Pokémon title. It doesn't have to follow the same collect 8 badges structure but at the same time I wouldn't want it to be the same as Colosseum/XD.

When I picture a Pokémon game on Wii U I picture a fully 3D semi open world with lush environments that the player can explore. Pokémon would be found in their natural habitat and players could interact with them. NPCs could be found performing chores and travelling the land by day and returning to their homes at night. The game would focus more on story and character development as well as heavily on Pokémon/human relationships and how they interact with each other. The player could use their Wii U GamePad to sketch Pokémon in the wild or use the gyro controls to take photos. These could be uploaded to Miiverse.

Sure you could potentially achieve the same thing on the 3DS, but being on the Wii U would allow the environments to be bigger, for more things to be onscreen at once, to get up and close with Pokémon more than you could on the small screen. To me, a separate Wii U game could be something that I'd immerse myself in, explore the world and discover the different personalities of Pokémon and how they live in the world. It would be less about trading and battling with friends and more about the world itself.

Something like that would be amazing for me. I often feel that Pokémon has so much wasted potential when it comes to the actual world of Pokémon itself. It's not "false immersion".

 

[Jinko]

Improvements to the AI is perfectly feasible on a handheld, and not limited to home console. As for actual Pokémon models, that would be cool, but on consideration, it would actually be more detrimental. Look at say Kalos Route 7, so many Pokémon there. It'd not be feasible or practical. Especially as more and more Pokémon get added so more and more Pokémon are in the routes. Plus, the entire rarity part is gone. What they'd need to do is strike a balance between random encounters and the occasional Pokémon in the overworld. Also, again, that's perfectly feasible on a handheld.

Well they could just load up pokemon when you enter a new route, they would populate and you could then search the area for the pokemon you wanted, if its not there just exit the route and re-enter again.

You could have place holders for certain pokemon when the weather changes or have the really rare pokemon spawn under certain conditions.

As for too many pokemon in one area, you would just have to make the world bigger I guess

 

[Kyzer]

No one on neogaf can say. But as long as there's any sort of profitable proposition for a new game, it remains a possibility, however remote it may be.

 

[JoeM86]

Yes, in your stagnant opinion.

I'm sure many, many people would disagree.

Perhaps. However, the fact is that Game Freak have said outright numerous times that Pokémon is a handheld franchise, designed for handhelds for the portability, and as such will remain on handhelds. That's the ultimate thing here. Game Freak decides this, and so what they feel and decide is ultimate.

 

[Boss Doggie]

I've never played the Dungeon games, no. I have played my fair share of Pokemon games though, and the story and characters range from highly forgettable to goofy in the not so charming way. It's not the focus to be sure, but it is still valid.

I know it won't happen, but it's still fun to imagine what could be done. As great as the Pokemon games are, they don't really capture the feel of battle as presented in the anime. Imagine if battles were 3D, with real-time turn based combat. All four moves are set to the ABXY buttons. Whether there is a Grandia action bar or a ATB bar, it would still be strategic but more hectic - just like the trainers in the show.

It's doesn't make much business sense to develop a legitimate, full fledged Pokemon game on a home console; but it's fun to daydream about. That's all.

Well you should. Especially Explorers of the Sky. Feels were had.

Anyway, Pokemon mechanics are made so that stuff you see in anime is rather hard to implement. That's why The Origins suck - because it's video game in anime form and outside of a few "shock" moments you realize how terrible the combat is in presentation. Might as well make a different game to begin with.

That's a little to entitled to represent my take on this but as a 90s kid myself I will say that I've been waiting patiently for a long time and all I got was Gale of Darkness and if you ask me a sure-fire way of putting the WII-U on top of the console sales race would have been to make a sprawling pokemon epic, something akin to Xenoblade chronicles only replacing monsters with pokemon.

Seriously - who wouldn't buy a Pokemon Gaiden game day 1.

Aren't most spinoffs not good sellers save for a few titles?

 

[Kyzer]

Perhaps. However, the fact is that Game Freak have said outright numerous times that Pokémon is a handheld franchise, designed for handhelds for the portability, and as such will remain on handhelds. That's the ultimate thing here. Game Freak decides this, and so what they feel and decide is ultimate.

Didn't they also take a really long time to do online properly citing that the game was meant to make people interact in person? IMO if there's money to be made its always possible. I wonder if Game Freak could handle it currently...

 

[Jinko]

Perhaps. However, the fact is that Game Freak have said outright numerous times that Pokémon is a handheld franchise, designed for handhelds for the portability, and as such will remain on handhelds. That's the ultimate thing here. Game Freak decides this, and so what they feel and decide is ultimate.

And what happens next gen when there is all but nothing left of the regular handheld market, will they change their mind or will they be just another Japanese developer to fade into obscurity.

 

[Macka]

Pocket Monsters.

Until we get a hybrid console/handheld device from Nintendo, this isn't going to happen.

 

[JoeM86]

Didn't they also take a really long time to do online properly citing that the game was meant to make people interact in person? IMO if there's money to be made its always possible. I wonder if Game Freak could handle it currently...

Not really. Diamond & Pearl had online in 2006, one year after it was introduced on the Nintendo DS. Don't know why you think it took a really long time.

And what happens next gen when there is all but nothing left of the regular handheld market, will they change their mind or will they be just another Japanese developer to fade into obscurity.

It's very unlikely that the handheld market will vanish as you seem to expect.

 

[shinobi602]

Nintendo doesn't like money apparently. Don't most handheld users play their games at home anyway? I rarely played with other people on any previous handheld that I owned, especially Pokemon. Such a missed opportunity to have a big Wii U game.

Imagine the online battles, tournaments, hub areas where you can run into people, hook up with your bros, the beautiful visuals...imagine exploring the vast countryside of Hoenn looking like this:

Exploring hidden areas, discovering locations of legendaries. I mean...fuck, who wouldn't want that.

 

[udivision]

And what happens next gen when there is all but nothing left of the regular handheld market, will they change their mind or will they be just another Japanese developer to fade into obscurity.

Handheld sales (of Nintendo Consoles) are still stronger than Home consoles. The regular handheld market will always be a lot stronger that Nintendo's console offerings even as mobile phones eat into it.

Even if the 4DS sells half of what the 3DS ends up with, I'm not confident that the Wii 3 would even do better than the Wii U.

Nintendo doesn't like money apparently. Don't most handheld users play their games at homd anyway?

I don't think the way westerners play Pokemon will become more relevant than the way young Japanese kids do, at least not yet.

 

[Kyzer]

A Pokemon XY HD for Wii U would be immaculate

 

[Jinko]

It's very unlikely that the handheld market will vanish as you seem to expect.

Well its not going to vanish, but the reason for Pokemons success has been the sheer amount of console units out there, it will have a dramatic effect on the franchise and obviously the company in general.

Handheld sales (of Nintendo Consoles) are still stronger than Home consoles. The regular handheld market will always be a lot stronger that Nintendo's console offerings even as mobile phones eat into it.

Even if the 4DS sells half of what the 3DS ends up with, I'm not confident that the Wii 3 would even do better than the Wii U.
.

No doubt, which is why it makes more sense to release the game across both platforms.

 

[flohen95]

Being able to see Pokémon in their natural habitat interacting with each other and the player, and exploring this vast world in full 3D, would definitely add a lot to the game in my mind. It's what I want to see the most and the handheld games can't really offer that.

You know what's interesting? Keep in mind that I don't want to impose on any opinions here, I'm basically just telling an anecdote. In the Pokémon board that I moderate in (the biggest German Pokémon board, in fact) A LOT of people were opposed to X/Y ditching the top down-ish viewpoint and the grid based walking (which was speculated at the time). In fact, polls we ran at that time showed that more than 50% of those who did partake in these polls didn't like these changes. Many said they'd boycott the games because they want their top down Pokémon games back.

Doesn't that seem ridiculous? So while you and, supposedly many others, would want a more "open" Pokémon game with free movement, no random encounters, a normal 3rd person perspective etc. there are many fans absolutely against such things. Random encounters are part of the Pokémon formula to them. They want to move in a grid because that's what, in their minds, Pokémon is supposed to be. It sets apart the mainline RPG games from the console ones (Collossem/XD) to them.

I, myself, can understand that notion, but I wouldn't be opposed to a Game Freak developed Pokémon game on a home console. Not that it'll ever happen, but basically I wouldn't mind.

But others do. So while you think it would be the next best thing, there are a lot of Pokémon fans that would hate that sort of development. Kinda like what Fire Emblem ditching its formula and doing Valkyria Chronicles style gameplay would be to me (and I loved Valkyria Chronicles).

Again, this is just something I wanted to say. I don't think that either side is right or wrong and I don't really care either way.

I will say, though, that the portability of the mainline Pokémon games left me with some fond memories, especially of stuff like the "Pokémon Platinum Launch Party" in Cologne back in 2009 or various "Pokémon Days" throughout Germany. These events wouldn't be possible the way they are if Pokémon moved from handhelds to consoles. And having a console game alongside a handheld game would probably be too much for Game Freak to handle.

 

[JoeM86]

Well its not going to vanish, but the reason for Pokemons success has been the sheer amount of console units out there, it will have a dramatic effect on the franchise and obviously the company in general.

And a reason of the sheer amount of console units out there is largely due to Pokémon's success. It's a neat little cycle.

 

[QKT100]

Nintendo doesn't like money apparently. Don't most handheld users play their games at home anyway? I rarely played with other people on any previous handheld that I owned, especially Pokemon. Such a missed opportunity to have a big Wii U game.

Imagine the online battles, tournaments, hub areas where you can run into people, hook up with your bros, the beautiful visuals...imagine exploring the vast countryside of Hoenn looking like this:

Exploring hidden areas, discovering locations of legendaries. I mean...fuck, who wouldn't want that.

EAD3 are probably the most elite team in the entire industry. I'm not sure you can just give Pokémon to another Nintendo team and expect similar results.

 

[Turdburger]

Nintendo doesn't like money apparently. Don't most handheld users play their games at homd anyway? I rarely played with other people on any previous handheld that I owned, especially Pokemon. Such a missed opportunity to have a big Wii U game.

Imagine the online battles, tournaments, hub areas where you can run into people, the beautiful visuals...imagine exploring the vast countryside of Hoenn.

Yep.

If Nintendo really wants to be competitive selling systems, they're going to have to whip out some bigger guns and take some risks. A 3D, online Pokemon game would be one.

The Warcraft IP turned into the highest grossing game of all time. A well-made game like that with the Pokemon IP and brand would turn heads, sell systems and continually open wallets.

 

[Caelus]

I think portability is a huge, huge aspect of this. In my high school there's rarely a single kid who doesn't have his 3DS or DS playing X/Y, Black/White or even Diamond and Pearl, and everyone's trading and battling each other during lunch and before class and such. The idea of carrying a 3DS around with Pokemon is analogous to carrying Pokemon around in Pokeballs wanting to battle.

Seeing as NeoGAF is full of grown people, it seems justified that a lot of people are too busy to play with handhelds all the time and take them outside like the days of their youth, and the idea of sitting down and playing a graphically advanced Wii U Pokemon seems incredibly appealing. But I'm trying to imagine how well received this would be by the rest of the userbase.. guess I won't be able to battle my friends on the stairway.

As for making the games on both consoles, that just seems like a waste of money and the disparity in appearance would be off-putting. I'm fine with a battle simulator.

 

[Cjdamon042]

You know what's interesting? Keep in mind that I don't want to impose on any opinions here, I'm basically just telling an anecdote. In the Pokémon board that I moderate in (the biggest German Pokémon board, in fact) A LOT of people were opposed to X/Y ditching the top down-ish viewpoint and the grid based walking (which was speculated at the time). In fact, polls we ran at that time showed that more than 50% of those who did partake in these polls didn't like these changes. Many said they'd boycott the games because they want their top down Pokémon games back.

Doesn't that seem ridiculous? So while you and, supposedly many others, would want a more "open" Pokémon game with free movement, no random encounters, a normal 3rd person perspective etc. there are many fans absolutely against such things. Random encounters are part of the Pokémon formula to them. They want to move in a grid because that's what, in their minds, Pokémon is supposed to be. It sets apart the mainline RPG games from the console ones (Collossem/XD) to them.

I, myself, can understand that notion, but I wouldn't be opposed to a Game Freak developed Pokémon game on a home console. Not that it'll ever happen, but basically I wouldn't mind.

But others do. So while you think it would be the next best thing, there are a lot of Pokémon fans that would hate that sort of development. Kinda like what Fire Emblem ditching its formula and doing Valkyria Chronicles style gameplay would be to me (and I loved Valkyria Chronicles).

Again, this is just something I wanted to say. I don't think that either side is right or wrong and I don't really care either way.

I will say, though, that the portability of the mainline Pokémon games left me with some fond memories, especially of stuff like the "Pokémon Platinum Launch Party" in Cologne back in 2009 or various "Pokémon Days" throughout Germany. These events wouldn't be possible the way they are if Pokémon moved from handhelds to consoles. And having a console game alongside a handheld game would probably be too much for Game Freak to handle.

I understand that. It would be an insane shift in gameplay and style of the games. But I'm not saying it should replace the current series of mainline games, but that I would like to see a standalone, third person, semi open world Pokémon game on console. It doesn't need to be developed by Game Freak either.

It's just something I would love to see one day but I know that it will unfortunately never happen, which does upset me but what can you do?

 

[shinobi602]

EAD3 are probably the most elite team in the entire industry. I'm not sure you can just give Pokémon to another Nintendo team and expect similar results.

Ehh...I wouldn't go that far. In any case, I don't find that a valid excuse. With Nintendo's resources, it can be done with the right heads at the helm.

 

[TeddyShardik]

I don't understand the fascination of a Wii U port of Pokemon. The concept behind the game was to be something you could play anywhere with friends, which is why the main series has stayed on handhelds and haven't moved to a console besides to create a battle simulator. I'd be fine with a new Stadium like game, just not on the scale of a main line Pokemon game.

This reason always sounded like a load of bullshit to me. Not saying it's completely wrong or anything but personally I almost always play my handhelds at home anyway. Before internet integration I played pokemon with my friends so rarely that anything that you had to trade for or "link up" was basically just lost to me in the games.

I don't think the series' concepts would suffer at all if it were on a home console. Especially with online multiplayer.

Of course beyond this reason there are a lot more why we will probably never see a full fledged pokemon game on a home console...or at least in the near future.

 

[JoeM86]

This reason always sounded like a load of bullshit to me. Not saying it's completely wrong or anything but personally I almost always play my handhelds at home anyway. Before internet integration I played pokemon with my friends so rarely that anything that you had to trade for or "link up" was basically just lost to me in the games.

I don't think the series' concepts would suffer at all if it were on a home console. Especially with online multiplayer.

Of course beyond this reason there are a lot more why we will probably never see a full fledged pokemon game on a home console...or at least in the near future.

If you were younger or in Japan, then you'd see that the portability aspect is still key

The reason this argument keeps cropping up here is because the people here are all in their 20s at average and obviously won't carry around their 3DS often.

 

[sd28821]

This thread is basically wahh why wont Nintendo do my genius idea that i though of they must be stupid and unable to come up with this brilliant idea them selves.

Seriously not every idea you have is good or smart when it comes to running a business and making money seriously if you wanna make this argument sit down and make a full business plan including research in to cost,long term viability etc . because if you did most would realized how pointless the idea is as a money making venture.

 

[TeddyShardik]

If you were younger or in Japan, then you'd see that the portability aspect is still key

The reason this argument keeps cropping up here is because the people here are all in their 20s at average and obviously won't carry around their 3DS often.

Yeah, I know that. I totally understand the reasoning behind this but I just feel like saying "fuck you!" everytime Gamefreak or Nintendo repeat it. Even when I was young I never had too many friends who would play games with me, much less a pokemon game. And in public too? No way! (You know...at the age everyone I knew wouldn't wanna be caught playing those "kids games".)

I know this is all just anecdotes and the people deciding this are probably right...but knowing that makes it even worse and not better.

 

[StingX2]

I have thought since the N64 days that the mishandling of this franchise's potential has been sad. An actual not handcuffed (looking at you Colosseum) pokemon rpg like the handhelds would sell like hotcakes.

 

[QKT100]

Ehh...I wouldn't go that far. In any case, I don't find that a valid excuse. With Nintendo's resources, it can be done with the right heads at the helm.

It'd be a straight up investment on the level of forming 343i, greater even. It'd probably take about 6 years to do everything, considering the success of the handheld games which are evolving at a steady pace, is there even a point?

 

[sublimit]

Of course.It will happen the same day we'll see Capcom making a MH game from the ground up exclusively for PS4.