Oh my god "Cloud hair", that means final fantasy VII remaster is basically confirmed as a Xbone exclusive!
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Rise of the Tomb Raider timed Xbox exclusive for Holiday 2015 (No PS/PC, SE publish)
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Oh my god "Cloud hair", that means final fantasy VII remaster is basically confirmed as a Xbone exclusive!
Thanks.
Makes this more baffling that the budget for TR was $100 million.
dragonelite
Member
Goddam you're right....
gaf wasn't working for me last night, i assumed it was because of this news lol, not entirely sure though.
I think microsoft doesnt pick the right games to make timed exclusive :/
Tomb raider (2013) was ok, but it wasnt that great, and didnt set the world on fire.
Something like FF15 would have made some damage.
I think microsoft doesnt pick the right games to make timed exclusive :/
Tomb raider (2013) was ok, but it wasnt that great, and didnt set the world on fire.
Something like FF15 would have made some damage.
Droopaloop
Banned
What we need is level headed fanboys dammit.
Chobel
Member
You're right. I'm sure Sony would have their lawyers on the phone and at SE's door in an instant.
BlackBuzzard
Banned
Yeah that would have done more damage to Square Enix then anyone else.
Speedy Blue Dude
Banned
I specifically said GAF isn't a hivemind. I think you guys have a right to be saddened by this news. If you were looking forward to this game on your PC or Playstation 4, it's reasonable to be a little sad that you won't be able to play it on your console of preference.
I however, don't think the ill-wishes towards Square are reasonable. I see some users here saying they hope this deal "cripples the franchise". I see people comparing this standard business practice to being "evil" and its just like... What.
You can be sad, but Microsoft didn't take away your option to play this game. You can still play and enjoy this game. Rise of the Tomb Raider is still practically the same game you were excited for. Now it's just Xbox exclusive for a while. Whether or not you decide to buy an Xbox One for this game is up to you, but Microsoft isn't stopping you from playing this game. You are, because you aren't willing to buy an Xbox One. You limit yourself and the games you can play when you don't purchase certain platforms, that isn't shocking.
Because, like I said, I still love and want to support my Kinect.
I'm buying the White Sunset bundle, and I will buy a Kinect separately for it. I agreed with Phil Spencer's old quote of "The Xbox One IS the Kinect." RIP Prince.
The MS fans who are happy because the majority of the series fans aren't going to play this are like the Sony fans who were mad because more people could play FFXIII = console cheerleaders.
The people who are getting fucked over here are the fans of the series. S-E and Crystal Dynamics won't be able to stop the hate train. They are underestimating how many fans TR has, especially in Europe.
The people who are getting fucked over here are the fans of the series. S-E and Crystal Dynamics won't be able to stop the hate train. They are underestimating how many fans TR has, especially in Europe.
mercenar1e
Member
Sony should try getting an exclusive on the next Hitman lol
No they really shouldn't.
Jazzkokehead
Member
So just like their last Tomb Raider game then.
Exploratory
Banned
But at that point is it relevant? Can SE fund the game? Yeah. Do they have the money? Yes. But they aren't rolling in dough and the first Tomb Raider didn't meet sales expectations. It's not like this is Ubisoft or something.
Regardless its a bs practice but I don't think its so different that one deserves no ill will while the other is the work of the devil.
AusRoachman
Member
Both of you keep your hands off Deus Ex exclusitivity. Unless of course that is not being next genned ?
I know there was the shitty ios game, but i thought the next gen version was ongoing ?
I know there was the shitty ios game, but i thought the next gen version was ongoing ?
Pseudo judo
Member
That clearly isn't true. I know that Sony can do no wrong but revisionist history doesn't fool anyone. If you've spent anytime reading this thread you'd know that statement is false. By the way, Sony is leading by a large margin so spending money of exclusivity isn't necessary.
PEOPLE U ARE FORGETTING!!!
They say that "Rise of the Tomb Raider" is exclusive to Xbox. Nowhere does it say that "Rise of the Tomb raider Definitive" is exclusive to Xbox.
I bet you all that a few months after Rise of the Tomb Raider, SE will release Rise of the Tomb Raider Definitive, on ps4 + pc. it will have better graphics and probably sell a lot more. This is the perfect way for them to avoid competition with UC4 on the ps4 platform.....plus they make some cash from MS. Plus the ps4 will get the better version. It is basically a win-win for everyone, except the people that absolutely need to play it on release day and cannot wait a few months.
Overall this is an intelligent move made by SE. I being a ps4 player, will thoroughly enjoy UC4 in 2015, then tomb raider in 2016 (be it on pc or ps4)
They say that "Rise of the Tomb Raider" is exclusive to Xbox. Nowhere does it say that "Rise of the Tomb raider Definitive" is exclusive to Xbox.
I bet you all that a few months after Rise of the Tomb Raider, SE will release Rise of the Tomb Raider Definitive, on ps4 + pc. it will have better graphics and probably sell a lot more. This is the perfect way for them to avoid competition with UC4 on the ps4 platform.....plus they make some cash from MS. Plus the ps4 will get the better version. It is basically a win-win for everyone, except the people that absolutely need to play it on release day and cannot wait a few months.
Overall this is an intelligent move made by SE. I being a ps4 player, will thoroughly enjoy UC4 in 2015, then tomb raider in 2016 (be it on pc or ps4)
Droopaloop
Banned
I flew in a plane yesterday. If the sky was made of lava I would be dead. Bad analogy.
I understand that analogy
Because, like I said, I still love and want to support my Kinect.
RIP Prince.
Eh. To me that just shows Spencer is as untrustworthy as Mattrick. While I agree with him that Kinect should have been dropped, he did absolutely nothing to gain good will with the hardcore Xbox fans who bought the Xbox One with Kinect.
Mattrick might have started this vague timed exclusivity stuff, but Spencer is clearly continuing the trend.
Nope. that is the studio that worked on Tombraider MP... then went through layoffs.
That move benefited Bamco and actually Sony too, and didn't do good for MS on gaining Japanese market.
(Bamco developed ToV for less money, and Sony got the third party software funded by their competitor so that they got royalty fee from Bamco for not investing at all).
mercenar1e
Member
Chobel
Member
Are you still talking about Bloodborne? Or you mean moneyhatting is no worse than funding the game?
Could you compare and contrast the first party software development strategies of Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft in the last generation in your own interpretation?
To me it's pretty obvious what you quoted is true, so I wonder why we're wrong? Also be specific, not just "it's somewhere among the seven thousand posts."
AusRoachman
Member
In that case. Someone quickly MoneyHat that game !!!!!!
they took away the ability to play it without buying a second console.
PlayStation gamers do not benefit from this deal, pc gamers do not benefit from this deal, but most importantly, xbox gamer don't benefit from this deal, its only purpose is to try to force the platform selection of the consumer.
Is it really the consumers fault when, if the deal wasn't made, they would have been given the OPTION to pick which platform they buy the game for?
Picture two glasses, one of them is yours, you like the glass and are attached to it, the second glass is different, its the one you could have bought but didnt, because you liked the other one better.
You pick up a carton of orange you've just bought and the store clerk asks if you'd like to drink the orange, you say yes and the clerk holds out her hand and asks for the money to buy the second glass, the one you didnt want.
Hold on there it's fine, i have my glass!
Clerk prompty picks up your glass and throws it out of the store, "if you want to drink this orange you have to buy this glass, otherwise get out"
Who is at fault there, you for wanting orange that could be drank from either glass, or the clerk for trying to force you to buy the second glass?
shacklesmcgee
Member
You can be sad, but Microsoft didn't take away your option to play this game. You can still play and enjoy this game. Rise of the Tomb Raider is still practically the same game you were excited for. Now it's just Xbox exclusive for a while. Whether or not you decide to buy an Xbox One for this game is up to you, but Microsoft isn't stopping you from playing this game. You are, because you aren't willing to buy an Xbox One. You limit yourself and the games you can play when you don't purchase certain platforms, that isn't shocking.
Do you support yourself? Like not only buy your consoles and games, but pay for your food and transportation and such? Because you sound like a child when you say "just buy an xbox"
Pseudo judo
Member
Depends whether you believe historical business practices only should be viewed from one console generation to the next.
Sony bought exclusivity for Tomb Raider when a deal was already in place for the game to appear on Sega's console.
Tweet yoshida. You will get two options
- Port the PS3 version to PS4: DeusEX: Definitive Edition.
- Port the iOS edition to PS4: DeusEX:Master Edition
Unless you are talking about porting old games to PS4.. Sony wont Money hat other projects. They have a strict rule.. team size can't be more than 3.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Post away. Nothing to hide.
it's funny because you said that like I'm somehow suppose to be afraid of what I post on twitter. And oh no, anything but my correspondences with Tim Dog! Yea.. I wasn't aware talking with him was a crime. Considering we mostly just talk about and enjoy xbox, I find it curious that these correspondences are apparently so damning that I'm suppose to fear having them posted here. Maybe you should instead be asking yourself why exactly being a happy Xbox One owner would be such a big problem for me here.
I think business practices need to be put into historical context.
Basically your argument ignores years of behavior of the SCE management and what value does your example from 1996 have in 2014?
It's like saying Sony not owning their IP in the PSX era is relevant in 2014 when they haven't operated that way for more than one decade.
So yes, if you're not going to argue the currently used strategies they've operated under for years which has actual relevancy in 2014 then I don't think your complaint is really relevant.
Ftfy.
I know the feel, man.
Exploratory
Banned
No I meant that...look the term moneyhat is a made up concept in itself. Back in the day games were exclusives more often and the primary reason was money.
The actual act of "moneyhatting" today sucks for consumers. It usually includes a developer/publisher/platform feeding us bs that everyone knows is bs ("We haven't abandoned PlayStation go buy the Definitive edition again" or "We're not abandoning Xbox we're still making Destiny for Xbox").
That's changed with the past 2 generations but in this case I'm saying that Bloodborne and Tomb Raiders situations arent so dramatically different that one is evil while the other is great. They aren't the same either and I'd rather not live in such extremes.
plasmawave
Banned
I specifically said GAF isn't a hivemind. I think you guys have a right to be saddened by this news. If you were looking forward to this game on your PC or Playstation 4, it's reasonable to be a little sad that you won't be able to play it on your console of preference.
I however, don't think the ill-wishes towards Square are reasonable. I see some users here saying they hope this deal "cripples the franchise". I see people comparing this standard business practice to being "evil" and its just like... What.
You can be sad, but Microsoft didn't take away your option to play this game. You can still play and enjoy this game. Rise of the Tomb Raider is still practically the same game you were excited for. Now it's just Xbox exclusive for a while. Whether or not you decide to buy an Xbox One for this game is up to you, but Microsoft isn't stopping you from playing this game. You are, because you aren't willing to buy an Xbox One. You limit yourself and the games you can play when you don't purchase certain platforms, that isn't shocking.
Because, like I said, I still love and want to support my Kinect.
RIP Prince.
Uh, MS sure did take away the option to play this game. What are you talking about?
Exploratory
Banned
I think he's saying you still have the option to buy am Xbox and play it.
can you point out an instance were a timed exclusive sold more on the delayed platforms ? it never happened. usually the delayed ports are just launched with minimal effort and a very small marketing campaign which makes sure it sells like shit.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Well we don't know yet. They might have only taken away the option to play it holiday 2015.
shacklesmcgee
Member
MS didn't take away Tomb Raider from PS and PC players silly, MS graciously gave us the option of buying an X1 to play Tomb Raider!
That makes the assumption that buying an entire console to play a game, is economically viable to everyone, and that they shouldn't be upset that the platform holder that wants them to buy this console, basically paid to make that purchase a requirement.
plasmawave
Banned
Well sure. Now you just need to spend an extra $400 to play the game. No biggie.
AusRoachman
Member
Getting in early for the OT
"Tomb Raider : Rise of the Tomb Raider - You will want to xbone her"
"Tomb Raider : Rise of the Tomb Raider - You will want to xbone her"
I guess technically Tales of Vesperia. At least, it would have probably sold more had Namco actually localized the game. Certainly sold more in Japan alone though.
A lot of people are saying that this doesn't make the Xbox better for current owners, and only detracts from PS4 and PC players. However, I think the point of this is actually to make the console more enticing to people who haven't bought in to anything yet. That at least makes way more sense to me than the whole "this doesn't benefit me even though I own an Xbox" mentality.