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Halo: Master Chief Collection Master Thread | This is it, baby. Hold me.
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78 for single-screen 16:9
~61 for single-screen 4:3
~100 for split-screen 8:3
(When I measured it, it seemed like it was the same as Reach, and I think David Ellis confirmed that a while ago.)
EDIT:
Looks like it was actually back in August 2012:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=40872500&postcount=12992
Twilight Gap
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thanks. for some reason my aiming feels really sluggish. the last shooter i played was destiny, and before that i had no problem aiming in halo 4.
Thus far Destiny's FoV has been 72, by the way. Both for first-person gameplay and the 3rd-person camera you get in the tower.
I'm not sure I've ever felt that lower FoV helped aiming feel less sluggish, though. There are other factors.
Where you guys deploying to? Also, thank you for serving!
BeamImpact
Member
A Casual/Social Playlist with trueskill would just be another Competitive Playlist but without any appeal, i dont think thats the idea behind such a playlist
I mean when i want to play some relaxing rounds where i can basically lay back and drive a hog for fun i dont want to face the same guys as i would in the Competitive Playlist just behause of the trueskill
Of course there is a point that pro players could stomp on newcomers in a playlist with no trueskill, but i doubt that this would be an extremly common issue
On a sidenote the stomping also happens with trueskill, in Reach and 4 i can remember quite some games where the skillsystem did put me with 7 randoms and splitscreeners against a full 8 players party
What i want to say with that is that even with trueskill in a Casual/Social Playlist this doesnt prevent newcomers from getting destroyed once in a while
Also the pros could just create new profiles to abuse the trueskill
I mean when i want to play some relaxing rounds where i can basically lay back and drive a hog for fun i dont want to face the same guys as i would in the Competitive Playlist just behause of the trueskill
Of course there is a point that pro players could stomp on newcomers in a playlist with no trueskill, but i doubt that this would be an extremly common issue
On a sidenote the stomping also happens with trueskill, in Reach and 4 i can remember quite some games where the skillsystem did put me with 7 randoms and splitscreeners against a full 8 players party
What i want to say with that is that even with trueskill in a Casual/Social Playlist this doesnt prevent newcomers from getting destroyed once in a while
Also the pros could just create new profiles to abuse the trueskill
This is going to happen a lot, because of the shared subs on Xbone, now. No more having to pay for Gold for alt accounts. Oh well, though.
ProvenDeadly
Member
JIP is not good. I can't tell you how many times I joined a CTF game down 4-0 or a slayer game where I'm down by 20 kills. I'll say 90% of the time I joined a team where there was no chance of even competing. Now that there's a universal in game ranking system I'm assuming JIP will be out for most of the games.
Nothing to do with playlists is confirmed, but this one seems v.likely (they've had it in one of their builds at least).
Here are some actual stats from my last 100 Halo 4 wargames:
- Total Players: 1048
- Completed: 904
- Joined in Progress: 220
- Joined in Progress AND Completed: 107
- Joined in Progress AND Quit: 113
Son of Sam
Banned
halo needs to stick with the matchmaking that has always worked for them. Stop this trying to be like COD and other games.
lifeexpectancy
Member
I'm fairly certain they have actually confirmed this in a roundabout way. You see, there will be the standard playlists (Team Slayer, Team Objective, etc) which will contain maps (and therefore the relevant sandbox and settings) from all 4 Halo games. So in Team Slayer the lobby might get 3 options: Sanctuary (H2), Valhalla (H3), and (sorry can't remember Halo 4 map names, quit playing it rather quickly). If the lobby votes for the Halo 4 map, then armor abilities and loadouts will be present, but if they vote for Sanctuary then they won't.
Then there will be a dedicated playlist (at least one, maybe more) for each game. So, say, you choose Halo 2 playlist, then the lobby options might be to vote for: CTF (Sanctuary), Team Slayer (Turf), and One Bomb (Zanzibar).
What I DON'T think you'll see is dedicated playlists for each game in every game mode. AKA I don't think we'll see H2 - Slayer, H2 - Objective, H2 - Swat, H3 - Slayer, H3 - Objective, H3 - Swat. I think we'll just see TS (all games), Big Team (all games), Swat (all games), Team Objective (all games), H1 (mix), H2 (mix), H3 (mix), H4 (mix).
I seem to recall the SDCC panel actually showing a video (or maybe it was E3?) of the pre-lobby where you could select which playlist to search and it was essentially this sort of setup.
Dunno if anyone posted this already, but I just saw it and damn, chills.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7Q-m2Ki63Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7Q-m2Ki63Q
I'm totally cool with this.
What Halo doesn't need is 50 different playlists, just consolidate popular gametypes into their own playlist, and give each game their own playlist and call it good. Thinking around 10-12 playlists tops.
Bornstellar
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WhiteRabbitEXE
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I'd much, much rather be down on a JiP match every once in a while then wind up in 4v2 or 8v3 matches pretty much every couple matches. Big Team especially was unplayable for me in Halo 3 (I literally wound up in at least one 8v2 or 8v1 match damn near every single time I played) and Reach wasn't much better (which sucked, because I loved Invasion but was almost never able to get a complete, even-sided match after the few couple months). In Halo 4 it's not even an issue.
That said, the most ideal situation would simply be to bring back Ranked and Social, and lock JiP to Social matches only.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
It would have been the perfect opportunity for a full blown toggle system. Game version, gametypes, maps, perhaps even some basic settings e.g. radar on/off/both. Add in that party leader controls all player toggles in a party as one with their settings and keep some minimum selection numbers while having everything on as a default.
BAM, everyone gets what they want when they want it. It may be too utopian based on population splits but I think it makes Halo fans happier and empowers player/party choice without the need for a full blown custom games browser. After all these years of developer managed playlists I still believe there's nothing like player choice.
I'm hoping the MCC unified interface delivers those levels of player and party choices.
lifeexpectancy
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It's a utopian dream mate. In reality player counts in MM will probably just barely support around 10-ish playlists after the initial launch madness dies down. Having the ability to toggle on/off certain things, effectively leading to dozens if not hundreds of 'micro playlists', where if you have something toggled 'off' you won't get put into any lobby that has that option set to 'on', would mean some seriously long wait times between matches.
Getting that nit-picky is what custom lobbies are for. Just grab 5 or more friends and set up some custom 3v3, 4v4, 6v6, 8v8 games with whatever micro-settings you wish like radar and such.
Twilight Gap
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ya i didn't know what the story with the OTs were when you PMed me then but i can add it up there now since november is quite far away.
Well, this is it. Microsoft has made an official statement regarding the international localization for the MCC:
Halo 2 will come in full English for Spanish territories, both audio and subtitles. However, we are trying very hard to maybe have a post-launch patch at least with a localization for texts. But we think that Halo: The Master Chief Collection is a superb compilation of Halo games and fans will be as excited as we are.
Brilliant. Despite all the efforts from their community, they're still going with their "no localization" strategy. There goes my copy of the game... Here in Spain this is generating quite a large buzz, sure it will explode as well in America as soon as they wake up.
Microsoft, what are you thinking?
Halo 2 will come in full English for Spanish territories, both audio and subtitles. However, we are trying very hard to maybe have a post-launch patch at least with a localization for texts. But we think that Halo: The Master Chief Collection is a superb compilation of Halo games and fans will be as excited as we are.
Brilliant. Despite all the efforts from their community, they're still going with their "no localization" strategy. There goes my copy of the game... Here in Spain this is generating quite a large buzz, sure it will explode as well in America as soon as they wake up.
Microsoft, what are you thinking?
ArchedThunder
Banned
MS seems to be focusing largely on their home market because Europe has been dominated by Sony and Sony is now taking their home market. Now I'm not saying it's right, but it seems they don't see the point in focusing on a detail that will only effect a small portion of the units that they will sell. It's a shame, but I think that's their logic.
Acidote
Member
Fuck it then. It is not like I'm gonna miss anything I haven't already played.
I dont understand, if you can read and understand English, what's the issue? I mean I can understand being upset at no localization, but you have to keep in mind, everything is a cost/profit decision in gaming these days. They probably figured enough wouldn't mind playing in English. No different than when they decided to tier the launch of Xbox for more important countries first.
You also have to remember, a lot of people hate localization, not only does it sometimes take away from the quality of the originals, but also provides poor translations if they don't take the proper time/money to do it.
I think you're going to miss out more than you think. It's nothing to do with disrespecting Spanish, or other countries, all to do with the fact the studio makes financial decisions, it's based in a town near Seattle, USA, and it's largest markets are the US/Canada/UK/Australia and the rest of the EU for Halo. The majority speak English not only as a first or native language, but probably even non-native English speakers at least understand it enough.
At the very least, I guess subtitles can be done, but who knows.
Why can't they do matchaking and custom game browser?? Saddens me so much.
MrGreencastle
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"Xbox record that" is built for this game. Can't wait.
MORTALIS
Member
Word. Was thinking this the other day watching H2A gameplay on remastered Sanctuary. It's gonna be brilliant.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
That's why you force minimums and use bare bones playlists. Also remember most would simply use the default of all on. Sure it's a dynamic match but now extrapolate further e.g. What turn players off from sticking with a game? Why have players/parties taken to backing out at the lobby in Halo 4? How prevalent has quitting become now?
The toggles system still has those master playlists but dynamically matching, giving players choice, while presenting closer options based on player/party toggles or defaults. This in turn delivers more accurate player choices to vote variants, closes an experience gap about maps/gametypes that Trueskill can't deliver and reduces quitters in the lobby and in game.
Further developers can tweak this system around population pools, minimums and the toggles they even allow etc. they can put far more work into dynamic matching over developer created variants put up with random weighting percentages and sustain over actual player choices.
Honestly I wouldn't keep posting this but to me it's far and away the best solution. Also customs with friends = no ranked play. Sucks.
Twilight Gap
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Not that it was any trouble to save the whole match in the last 3 games...
I don't think that's the problem here. The problem is, that you couldn't share those clips with the world. You had to own a capture card, in order to record clips (or you needed a buddy who would do that for you).
Now, that the Xbox One has a built in record feature you don't need any of that. Simply record clips and export them to whatever website you want. In combination with Halo's theater mode, this will work pretty good.
lifeexpectancy
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No worries man I didn't mean to come off quite as antagonistic as my post appears in retrospect. Just expecting a lot more posters looking for people to add/friend/etc in the next couple months leading up to launch. The XB1 gamertag exchange thread would ideally suit that purpose, but a lot of folks (especially Halo folks) don't want to sort through that thread to find people specifically interested in Halo:MCC.
Twilight Gap
Member
that's a good point. The whole "render minutes" thing with Reach was antiquated. hopefully microsoft can bump up the recording time on the xbox one though.
A beta preview survey hinted at customizable "record that" time / individual commands for 30s/1/2/5/10 min and longer record times.
I'm 40 with 4 kids, have you all beat.
Der Flatulator
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Should post in the HaloGAF thread too, many of us have played Halo 4 customs with each other before, quite a few play it on the reg as well. The Halo community thread usually sees the most action as it is, even when Halo 4 was out.
I definitely don't envy 343 in having to figure out the perfect amount/type of multi-player playlists. The playlist selection someone posted a little above my post looks good but then you have to factor in how many of those should have a casual and ranked variation of said playlist. You are essentially doubling the number of playlists if you make a casual and ranked version of all of those but one could argue it would be nice/worth it to have those variations for all playlists.
Also, I totally agree about how they should leave join in progress in any non-ranked/casual/social playlists but keep it out of ranked and have some sort of stiff punishment if you quit out. More than just the potential of your level going down. But, another thing to keep in mind is what about people whose internet just crapped out and it wasn't really their fault. Do they deserve the same penalty as someone who maliciously rage quit out of a game?
Also, I totally agree about how they should leave join in progress in any non-ranked/casual/social playlists but keep it out of ranked and have some sort of stiff punishment if you quit out. More than just the potential of your level going down. But, another thing to keep in mind is what about people whose internet just crapped out and it wasn't really their fault. Do they deserve the same penalty as someone who maliciously rage quit out of a game?
BeforeU
Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
That was so GOOD. Oh my god
Fahzgoolin
Banned
I like the way Counter Strike: Global Offensive does it. They have ample Casual playlists, but the Competitive playlist has the "definitive" e-sports settings. Of course I would like more than one for Halo, but you get the idea. This gets the community into the e-sports scene, gets them familiar with it and increases viewers as well because they understand the game first-hand. If you leave the comp. game you are penalized and get a "competitive cool-down" upwards to a week if you were being a troll/killing team mates.
There was a lot of outcry against it at first, but now most people take those games seriously and CSGO is rising in popularity still. A custom games browser would really help keep the game alive and kicking. If there isn't a playlist of your liking then go jump in a public pub game of your liking.
Sikamikanico
#1 Dad
Goosebumps. Can't wait.
Poodlestrike
Banned
Not sure where (might be this thread or the HaloGAF one), but I remember reading that they're planning some sort of smart hopper system for the mixed playlists that should simplify thing a lot. Basically, it introduces new factors into matchmaking, like what gametypes, games, and maps you've voted for in the past, and makes it more likely that you'll be paired with people possessing similar histories in addition to the usual skill and connection speed sorting. Assuming it doesn't send matchmaking times through the roof, I think it's a very cool idea.
I didn't know I could be any more hyped for this. Great video!
This made me feel some type of way.
What an amazing video, so many memories just flooded me. Kudos to the creators
I don't have words for these feeling, breh
The Henery
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Halo 3
This is the only online Halo I will play until November.
The Lamonster
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Doesn't Reach have more active players than 3 and 4?
Welfare
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Halo 4 does. Reach's counter can be misleading, as the in game counter shows everyone playing the game, while Halo 4's only shows people currently playing War Games. Next time someone pops in Reach, count each playlists population. That's the number you would need to campare with Halo 4.
Halo 4 has more.
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