Aquamarine
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4.0 million PS4 LTD and 3.2 million XBO LTD seems like a pretty large gap to me...
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NPD Sales Results for August 2014 [Up4: PS4 #1, XB1 last week sales 2x last Jul week]
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4.0 million PS4 LTD and 3.2 million XBO LTD seems like a pretty large gap to me...
March of the Crabs
Member
I thought both TLOU and MK8 would still be kicking this month but that's why i don't make predictions.
gundamkyoukai
Member
I would say after christmas is a good place to start but there also a good amount of factors that can change over time.
You have to keep on adjusting to the data we get .
1st Course
Member
Great work as usual.
Thanks.
Thanks.
By this logic, I don't see why anyone is laughing at Wii U. Or better yet, what anyone thinks of Sega Genesis as there's still iterations of it being sold at retail.
Not that I don't agree. I'm not one to say much until everything has come to pass.
Shmuely Bully
Member
~1% of the U.S. owns a PS4, we're well short of a Japanese DS-style market saturation. You may even be right, but it sounds a lot like wishful thinking.
It's probably not a big system seller, but it does give the PS4 one thing the XB1 lacks this holiday season: an actual family-friendly game to sell to those who might be squeamish about giving little Johnny an FPS.
theprodigy
Member
Hey guys you know what time it is?
3DS time!
3DS time!
Nightengale
Member
In June it was 475k.
In Aug it's now 500+k.
You were comparing two different numbers from different variable parameters.
Aquamarine
Member
We already know that it has sold >6K. What more could you possibly want?
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
What is the irony? What is sony's equivilant to MCC this holiday? Ill wait.
shinra-bansho
Member
The trailing-twelve month hardware sales of Xbox and Playstation systems is approaching 11M; that may dip as the effect of launch sales leave the period and new system sales may not be able to make up for old system declines.
But it's currently well within historical norm, and will still be even in the event that we see something like a million decline (which would occur for instance if the XB1 and PS4 match their launch sales and the 360 and PS3 sell about half of what they did for instance, or a myriad possible permutations) in the TTM due to the above stated effect.
These months are a fraction of US yearly sales, the holiday will be a good initial test of how much of a beating that TTM is going to take going forward.
But it's currently well within historical norm, and will still be even in the event that we see something like a million decline (which would occur for instance if the XB1 and PS4 match their launch sales and the 360 and PS3 sell about half of what they did for instance, or a myriad possible permutations) in the TTM due to the above stated effect.
These months are a fraction of US yearly sales, the holiday will be a good initial test of how much of a beating that TTM is going to take going forward.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Because every new piece of data validates those laughs?
Speaking of which, did Xbox 360 ltd ever end up passing Wii ltd in the US? I feel like it's been on verge for awhile now but wasn't sure if it actually did?
SwiftDeath
Member
You have your current opinion on the market based on previous data and current data hence why it is entirely rational to think a major contraction is happening in all areas of consoles to differing degrees and if future data proves to usurp that trend than it is also rational to think that previous opinions/assumptions were incorrect
Yea people are delusional if they really think ms can close the gap during the holidays.
eddfromtheriver
Banned
I'll let you in on a lil' secret, 3rd party games have traditionally been what moves HW, exclusives don't mean much, even less so if they're not as popular as they once were.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Is still lower than GBA aligned?
Are you saying a exclusive the only thing that matters ?
theprodigy
Member
sörine;129613838 said:
nope still got ~200k or so to go, it will probably finally pass it by November or December this year
travisbickle
Member
Speaking objectively, Sony doesn't need an equivalent to MCC to beat the XB1 in sales.
I don't get the whole "the gap isn't that big" argument. The gap is very slowly widening in favor of PS4 in the one region that the XB360 actually completely dominated in. PS3 and 360 enjoyed similar WW sales numbers by the end of last gen precisely because the Xbox won in the market they targeted, the NA market. They didn't just win the NA market. They CRUSHED the NA market. That's why they were able to achieve 80 million in sales. That's the ONLY reason they were able to achieve 80 million in sales. The domination of the NA market is the ONLY reason why they ended up with similar sales numbers as PS3 at the end of last gen. Not "parity" in the NA market. Not "closing the gap in the NA market." Domination of the NA market.
Parity in the NA market means huge loss in WW sales for MS. NA is where they made up ground from lackluster sales in other markets. Losing that huge advantage in NA means less overall sales for that brand. It's that simple. Anyone trying to spin this as "closing the gap" even though they got beat in their number one market for yet another month...I don't really know what to say to that level of delusion.
Parity in the NA market means huge loss in WW sales for MS. NA is where they made up ground from lackluster sales in other markets. Losing that huge advantage in NA means less overall sales for that brand. It's that simple. Anyone trying to spin this as "closing the gap" even though they got beat in their number one market for yet another month...I don't really know what to say to that level of delusion.
lol. It's funny that you of all people mention that people can't look at things objectively.....and in the following paragraph you claim that MS hands down has the better lineup regardless of anyones opinion.
There's 2 new X1 games (and a HD collection) and 3 new PS4 games. All of them are getting good impressions from people who actually played them. Not sure how you can make such a claim when all of these games are in different genres.
What do you think this collection is going to do? You're acting like it's a new game.
Thanks! Better late than never I guess.
Aquamarine
Member
we shouldn't do leak compilations this month...it attracts too much attention
This is the full retail release list for the rest of the year as far as I can tell.
SEPTEMBER 23
Disney Infinity: Marvel Super Heroes - 2.0 Edition
SEPTEMBER 26
Hyrule Warriors
SEPTEMBER 30
Disney Planes: Fire & Rescue
Falling Skies: The Game
OCTOBER 5
Skylanders: Trap Team
OCTOBER 14
Pac-Man and the Ghostly Adventures 2
OCTOBER 21
Just Dance 2015
The Voice: I Want You
OCTOBER 24
Bayonetta 2
NOVEMBER 11
LEGO Batman 3: Beyond Gotham
NOVEMBER 18
The Penguins of Madagascar
Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric
DECEMBER 5
NES Remix Pack
HOLIDAY
Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker
Super Smash Bros. for Wii U
DangerMouse
Member
This. So many games were pushed into 2015 even stuff like Arkham Knight that were originally seemingly 2014 titles. As shinra-bansho also pointed out, we just went through the always slowest months, and those system sales were also front-loaded because they could be this time, that's not a bad thing, and even then it still took a while before they finally got supply balanced, they would have been more spread out in the past that doesn't mean they were healthier.
Plus even with most of the real next-gen software from most devs pushed into 2015, it still managed to do those overall worldwide sales despite being $400.
Yup. And then outside of NPD threads we also add the rest of the world.
gundamkyoukai
Member
For me looking at yearly trends give us better idea of what going since the systems were so front load.
I expect that along with holidays sales are also what the consoles makers going to be looking at .
If we're continuing under the belief that demand for consoles hasn't radically declined then it'd be useful to compare this month to a time aligned last gen. Last gen September saw a total of 1.6million units sold in the first September, excluding hand helds. I believe the only big launch was a console exclusive - Halo 3.
450k is a reasonable goal if you're under the belief that demand for consoles has taken a nose dive, but if you believe there is some latent demand then September would presumably be the month it really starts to show in light of Destiny and the general onset of holiday purchasing.
Mass Effect
Member
You talk about (or rather complain about) objectivity, and then turn around and proclaim how superior the Xbox's line-up is to the Playstation's. How do you quantify the superiority of the Xbox's line-up? Sales are really the only objective measure you can bring, and you can't measure the sales of games that aren't out yet.
Whether or not you perceive the Xbox's line-up being superior is irrelevant if the games end up being outsold by the competition's. This, of course, works both ways. I can think LBP3 is the best thing in existence, but that really doesn't matter if it doesn't sell well or push systems.
Point being that as of now, you have no "objective" way to proclaim one [future] library being superior to the other.
eddfromtheriver
Banned
tsk tsk... LIES!!!
plasmawave
Banned
Remember when Titanfall came out and people said the same thing?
FinalStageBoss
Banned
I don't understand this gap argument, if Sony only sells 1 console more than MS every month the gap still widens... Sony would have to stop selling consoles for MS to catch up at this point.
i think there are two ways to look at the ps4.
1. the successor to the ps3. the successor to the ps3 is doing super great right now. for seriously. the successor to the ps3 is beating the competition in almost every single region, selling a lot of software, and turning a profit. the successor to the ps3 looks like it will finish a clear first place at the end of the generation. the successor to the ps3 may equal or exceed the ps3's sales in less time, especially since it seems many developers are circling the wagons around it, unlike the ps3 where they flocked to other platforms.
2. the market leader. the market leader is doing relatively well to previous market leaders from a head-on comparison. month-to-month, week-to-week, it is not performing like previous market leaders. sales are consistently at a level that are more at home on second place consoles.
the ps4 can both be a success relative to the ps3 and and ill omen for the rest of the industry. it can be both a good thing for sony, and spell dire times for many other companies if they are going to come up short.
i give the ps4 five years because it's a fairly nice number. i suppose i should give it six based on sony's tendency to get a new platform out every six to seven years. but in that time, what is going to change? we already see a new major kind of game style emerging on these new consoles, where players are forced to play additional fees to play massive multiplayer online versions of third-person shooters, racing games, first-person shooters, and third-person action games (thank you blessed one michel ancel). in five years the idea of inexpensive accessible gameplay was introduced to a public at large, popularized on traditional gaming devices, and then exploded even larger on traditionally nongaming devices. what kind of effect will it have when enthusiasts are conditioned to paying for games as a service while companies like wb, ea, square enix, and sony roll out service-based platforms (in addition to existing ones like steam, gog, and desura)? how willing are they now to buy into such platforms, and how willing will they be in three years? in five years? what sort of effect will that have on the traditional market?
DangerMouse
Member
Agreed. And despite not really needing one, they may even get one anyway as a bonus, if they managed to get a GTA V bundle, like they might have.
eddfromtheriver
Banned
Oh illuminated one... we're not worthy.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Added in with the other games I think theres a different story.
I just think it has some good selling potential. Nostalgia, updated multiplayer, content...and its a collection but 4 games in one.
Yes regardless of anyones opinion. Does that still mean i cant be objective? I know list wars are frowned upon but if you take a list of all games and compare new ip with existing ip sales, and reviews with some kind of score of the sort I think the xbox side may be favored this holiday.
This.
Worldwide PS4:XBone ratio is over 2:1 that means it is over 3:1 out of the US.
We are discussing about MS not losing on their strongest market. That is quite pathetic.
There's no way XBone can sell well if they lag behind PS4 in their best market. That's rather bad.
All other things being equal, there's also a bit of a rich-get-richer phenomenon in console success. Some percent of new sales are going to generated by the friends of existing consumers looking to game with their friends. Like interest, this growth becomes greater when you have a larger userbase. So as the gap between the successful and not as successful console grows it actually naturally begins to grow even faster making any sort of come back for the less successful increasingly unlikely.
Reward as a turncoat deserves.
Why are you banking on a couple of HD remasters of games many people have already played to move more consoles than the PS4?
That's a little much don't ya think?
Yes, because those are the numbers I remember. Forgive me I missed two months.. My point still stands; both consoles are doing well and better than their predecessors. Yes, a gap exists but Xbox One is not Dreamcast. I expected a +80k or even higher difference this month from Sony.
The Xbox One is NOT a dreamcast, it's more akin to a Nintendo 64 right now. Not something I'd personally consider good in today's market, but sure.
SwiftDeath
Member
Again the LTD difference is closer to 750k, not 500k