theprodigy
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1. That was under the assumption nobody would be cut to keep parity.
2. GAF is not a hivemind.
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Super Smash Bros. for Wii U POTD Thread 17: Smash 3DS Discussion @ OT PLS
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1. That was under the assumption nobody would be cut to keep parity.
2. GAF is not a hivemind.
Dimitri LH
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Since smash for Wii U is considered Smash bros 5.....would I be crazy to think that the Wii U version would have one or two more characters the 3DS dosent? Ice climbers as a Wii U exclusive though.....not sue how I would feel about that.
The Captain
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I think it's pretty bullshit that Rosalina and Luma got in, but no effort was made to get the Ice Climbers to work, just because they weren't really relevant.
I guess that means Captain Falcon, Ness, Duck Hunt, Mr. Game & Watch, Samus, and R.O.B. should be cut too huh?
I guess that means Captain Falcon, Ness, Duck Hunt, Mr. Game & Watch, Samus, and R.O.B. should be cut too huh?
Sakurai has said several times that both versions will have the same roster.
How could you possibly know this.
I'm disappointed too but christ, this kind of attitude sucks.
First off, Luma works in a way simpler way than Nana did. Second, having four Ice Climbers at once would mean 4 mildly complex AI that the game needs to handle + the 4 Player Characters. + Assist Trophies, Pokemon and all that.
The 3DS just couldn't handle it.
PorygonVandal
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Quoted to make it smaller....
I agree with this picture, and it makes sense, but it's still BS, imo, that one game dictated the other. Not cool.
The Captain
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Well why couldn't the Ice Climbers be simplified? Olimar underwent some serious simplification, and characters like Sheik/Zelda that have been around since Melee were split apart.
DICKS AHOY
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then just dumb her down to be a weapon that has eyes then god
Not if said characters later transfer over to the 3DS version.
The Captain
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Bingo. Olimar was simplified, so why couldn't the Ice Climbers be simplified too?
Uh Octoman?
That would be a completely different character and the Ice Climbers as you know them would essentially be cut.
PorygonVandal
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Eh, it's a weird theory people have. It's only really tied by the fact that F-Zero racers and Arwings have a gravity-defying "G-Diffuser" in them, and that both series have a sunglasses-wearing older fox/man who looks like a human version of Fox named James McCloud. There's not too much to it, honestly, especially because Star Fox has its own version of F-Zero called G-Zero, but it's a thing people think (Mostly hinging on James being stuck in a Black Hole in Star Fox SNES, even though it's been non-canon since '97).
EDIT: Oh, and Octoman's a henchman for Command's Big Bad, although he's been redesigned, so it calls whether or not he was the Octoman into question.
And seriously, there has to be something we can do to let Sakurai know we're okay with the Wii U getting a character that's already completed for it, anyway. I liked DICKS AHOY's suggestion of making at least Nana a sprite, if not both. I might like the idea more if this is how they look on the 3DS, and the Wii U has the HD models as alts.
DICKS AHOY
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It's a purely hypothetical situation I just made up that's not going to happen unless Sakurai decides to make them DLC. We have no clue they would be a completely different character and they'd be cut.
Also Olimar.
why are popo's arms so stubby and where's his snow suit
The Captain
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Zelda being able to transform into Sheik was one of her defining features, but they were split apart. Olimar lost having five Pikmin down to three. Pit had some serious weapon changes.
Octoman (A racer from F-Zero) is a boss in Star Fox Command.
Starphoenix
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Only way Ice Climbers transfer over to the 3DS is if it's the New 3DS. But, in that scenario, that's a worse disparity than any potential one between the Wii U and 3DS because you are effectively splitting the handheld userbase.
Dimitri LH
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Still being hopeful for this.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
But Leon is a cat... sorta. In the anime he;s a werewolf thingie.
Also Wolf O'Donnell exists in F-Zero as James' deceased BFF.
Because yeah, mega evolution doesn't automatically mean popular. Again, context. So what if Mewtwo got two and got a movie? My point is GF isn't doing anything to promote said mega. Compare to Charizard X, who really gets so much love. Hell, even Mega Lucario, despite getting only one mega evolution, gets, as people would say it, "shoved down to your throat alot more".
Mega evolution is a big deal but only to a certain point. What matters is whether GF treats that form as their boom baby or not. Getting movies isn't really something worth it when they're dime a dozen.
Hell, I'm more surprised that up to this day people still think Lucario isn't popular. Now THAT is delusional.
Also I dislike this "any attempt to criticize any Pokemon from the first gen = genwunner" mentality. This is much more common and shows how defensive you folks can be. I simply stated that Mewtwo is not a recurring final boss since he isn't. And you're the only person who kept bringing the genwunner shit.
Because you know what? I hate Charizard, but I'm not fucking delusional to think that he's not popular particularly his X counterpart because I can see what TPCI is doing with that mon. At least I'm not stuck in this 90's memory and keep assuming popularity never faded away.
Also Wolf O'Donnell exists in F-Zero as James' deceased BFF.
Because yeah, mega evolution doesn't automatically mean popular. Again, context. So what if Mewtwo got two and got a movie? My point is GF isn't doing anything to promote said mega. Compare to Charizard X, who really gets so much love. Hell, even Mega Lucario, despite getting only one mega evolution, gets, as people would say it, "shoved down to your throat alot more".
Mega evolution is a big deal but only to a certain point. What matters is whether GF treats that form as their boom baby or not. Getting movies isn't really something worth it when they're dime a dozen.
Hell, I'm more surprised that up to this day people still think Lucario isn't popular. Now THAT is delusional.
Also I dislike this "any attempt to criticize any Pokemon from the first gen = genwunner" mentality. This is much more common and shows how defensive you folks can be. I simply stated that Mewtwo is not a recurring final boss since he isn't. And you're the only person who kept bringing the genwunner shit.
Because you know what? I hate Charizard, but I'm not fucking delusional to think that he's not popular particularly his X counterpart because I can see what TPCI is doing with that mon. At least I'm not stuck in this 90's memory and keep assuming popularity never faded away.
Dimitri LH
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Though Id share ha ha.
Beelzebufo
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That's interesting that we now have full confirmation that the 3DS version killed the Ice Climbers. That interview seems to imply that the Wii U version won't have time-locked new characters either.
themagicalkitsune
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I'd be ok with her being an alternate skin of Popo.
But I get that the uniqueness of the Ice Climbers as fighters is that they're two.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
So are you saying that rumor about Ridley, Dixie, Mewtwo and Chorus Kid got disconfirmed?
Beelzebufo
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Eh, not really I guess. I read it again and I guess he never explicitly says that he took them out of the Wii U version, and even if he did there's no reason they couldn't add less technically-challenging characters.
I'M FINISHED!
Um exCUSE me Sakurai but CLEARLY the best choice for Smash Bros would be my fav niche character HOWEVER you are clearly INCOMPETENT and
You know, it was fun gloating about Little Mac, but being right about the 3DS anchor doesn't have the same charm.
Oh c'mon, all that did was waste a down-special. Now she has an actual attack.
Olimar having less Pikmins and Pit getting move changes has nothing to do with the Ice Climbers being cut.
I'M FINISHED!
Um exCUSE me Sakurai but CLEARLY the best choice for Smash Bros would be my fav niche character HOWEVER you are clearly INCOMPETENT and
Olimar having less Pikimin and Ice Climbers getting cut do have something in common...
Dimitri LH
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What if instead of Ice climbers we got....
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Ice Climber
A solo character Popo, with Nana as a alt costume. And as a Final smash they would both come out and play like their old selves? I would be okay with that I think
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Ice Climber
A solo character Popo, with Nana as a alt costume. And as a Final smash they would both come out and play like their old selves? I would be okay with that I think
KLatin Scelus
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Though Id share ha ha.
ROB and Duck Hunt would have flat out murdered him.
boiled goose
good with gravy
3ds should be the beta version.
I don't mind wiiu having more characters and improved movesets.
I don't mind wiiu having more characters and improved movesets.
NeonZ
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The idea/rumor of time locked characters is that they'd be available in the 3ds version after the Wii U's launch, not that they'd be Wii U exclusive. So, the Ice Climbers would be out anyway if they can't get them to work.
I'M FINISHED!
Um exCUSE me Sakurai but CLEARLY the best choice for Smash Bros would be my fav niche character HOWEVER you are clearly INCOMPETENT and
Sounds good.
As long as Ice Climber was exclusive to the console that created the need for such a change while the Wii U gets the original Ice Climbers.
Problem solved.
I probably would have flipped my shit about the Ice Climbers news if Little Mac's inclusion didn't soften the blow for me.
It is pretty frustrating since they weren't only considered, they actually tried to make it work. The game as it is, is pushing the 3DS hardware to it's near limit so there is very little to no chance that Ice Climbers will be in this iteration of Smash if Sakurai holds true to the games' having parity in roster.
It is pretty frustrating since they weren't only considered, they actually tried to make it work. The game as it is, is pushing the 3DS hardware to it's near limit so there is very little to no chance that Ice Climbers will be in this iteration of Smash if Sakurai holds true to the games' having parity in roster.
InvincibleAgent
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Yes please. I might actually play as her/him then.
Or include Popo as playable (Since he is in the original game) and Nana as an AT. She could have her sprite form so you don't get the two of them mixed up. At the VERY LEAST we should get 1 Ice Climber as an AT.
The Captain
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Not too fond of it. I would rather there would be a simplified version of the characters, maybe acting like how some thought the three Chorus Kids would've worked - very closely synched to the point that they're almost like one character.
The plural of Pikmin is Pikmin.
I didn't say that these changes had to do with Ice Climbers being cut, I was just pointing out that a significant character change could've allowed Ice Climbers to work more easily in the 3DS version.
Can anyone do me a favor and tell me who would be a good rep for Call of Duty? I'm assembling my lineup for a Microsoft clone of Smash and I think Riley (the dog) alone wouldn't cut it. I don't play the games myself, so all I know about in terms of characters is that one dog.
I also can't decide if I want to include a Battletoad or Jago from Killer Instinct into the mix to be my final "Microsoft-owned IP that wasn't theirs originally" character.
InvincibleAgent
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Killer Instinct rep? Gotta be Fulgore.
On another note, whenever I see someone say "KI" (Kid Icarus), I read it as Killer Instinct since I was familiar with that IP first.
Wouldn't Price make the most sense for COD?
Also, Jago since KI just came out and is technically first-party-ish.
For "Microsoft-owned IP that wasn't theirs originally", Minecraft Steve is very relevant.
Also, why are you doing this?
themagicalkitsune
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At least ROB had a one-time affair with mario kart...
The Captain
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For fun.
I started this up after the rumors of Microsoft buying Mojang came up - I joked that Microsoft would only do it to put Steve into their "inevitable" Smash Bros. clone. I also wanted to see if I could do it, since people joke about Microsoft only having variations of Master Chief.
I'm not a Microsoft fan myself (my experience with their games is limited to Age of Mythology and Zoo Tycoon) but I just thought it would be something fun to pass the time waiting for the actually interesting icon-based fighting game to be released...
PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale 2!
InvincibleAgent
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Well, it is his most recent canon appearance...
Wow, we could be bros. PSASBR, Zoo Tycoon, and AoM?
I'm also sure I made a Microsoft Smash Bros on this board somewhere hidden in the darkest corners of GAF long ago.
InvincibleAgent
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Halo to get 8 reps? Gotta include the Arbiter, Chief, a Hunter, Tartarus, a Bob, Sgt Johnson, a Promethean Knight and Cortana (She can make herself big at the end of Halo 4).
I'd buy Microsoft Smash.
Banjo & Kazooie
Gruntilda (or Klungo)
Conker
Berri
Kameo
Joanna Dark
A Viva Pinata rep
Cooper
Steve?
Master Chief
Jago
Spinal
Sabreman
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