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Destiny |OT4| Get your ass to the Vault of Glass and help Timmins find better pants

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Hawkian

The Cryptarch's Bane
The game would be better if all those things were true, yes.
That's valid, but I completely disagree.
Because 28 or 29 aren't the big deals.
They're huge deals to me.

28 is the level of enemies in the raid.
29 is the max level I can reach without having to count on RNG a single time.

Each level breakpoint up to 29 also makes a huge difference in your capabilities as a player that isn't present in other games.
Having each slot be the perfect item you want is the final goal. I'm 27 and capable of 29. I have a few exotics and a piece of raid gear. Almost none of it is remotely what I actually want. However, trying to get the things I actually want, even inching closer, isn't really possible in a remotely fun way because of the excessive rarity of legendary gear, even poorly rolled legendary gear.
You mean the raid gear right?
You can hit level 30 but have stats you absolutely cannot stand and weapons that are subpar with their scopes and various other mods. Being level 30 means very little to me. That's how loot games work, which is how the Destiny endgame was sold. You hit level cap in Diablo and now you work on getting the perfect things for your class. And it throws you a bone fairly frequently, even if it's not the thing you want. Here, 9 times out of 10, you aren't even getting a legendary despite the drop rate being perfectly fine for one.
What does that mean, how do you work for the exact items you want in Diablo? I feel so lost in these conversations. I admit I have totally not played D3 to endgame but I played the absolute shit out of D2 and remember how that worked.
 

todahawk

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Just hit 28 baby this morning after some quick relic iron farming.

But I'm looking at the Ascendant Shards I need to finish upgrading my chest (24?), helm(18) and boots (just 6 more) and I'm crying a little...

Not sure if I'm on my final helm or chest armor though :/

edit: looks up... holy hell, nvm my bitching.
 

HaleStorm

Member
What content, you mean the sames 5 strike or the same shitty patrol quest they been doing for hours?. This game is a loot game so players should have to shit in order to lv and get new gear. They should play a level 26 strike or do good in pvp and get great gear but we all know that not the case in this game.

That is what the challenges are for, as well as the bounties. Playing the same level on 24 and 28 is a different experience. Now turn on epic or heroic, juggler, angry, all these things make for a different experience. For PvE there is more content gameplay wise than any of the halo games. you just have to challenge yourself and not keep playing the same content that is 4 levels below you.

No one bitched about only having 4 difficulties in the Halo campaigns, but every one is saying that the half dozen difficulties available already for normal missions is not enough. then you have a daily hard mission, and weekly you get two more strike challenges. that is a lot of content right there without even getting into the strike, which is incredibly easy to find a team to do as long as you are leveled appropriately.
 

StoOgE

First tragedy, then farce.
I honestly feel like this game is a less good version of Borderlands.

I am only on level 8. Tell me how wrong I am and that it truly does get better after level 20.

Eh, It's substantially different.

Destiny is far more about repetitious grind for loot and various forms of XP (with different vendors, factions and gear, etc).

Borderlands has far more missions and a lot more story going on in it than Destiny.

Don't know how I feel about the differences, but while on paper they seem similar Destiny seems a bit more refined of an engine (both RPG and shooter) with a fraction of the content.
 

Seil

Member
Depends, do you like grinding?

I love grinding, but not Destiny's grind lol. I've started to take its hints and just stay away until bounties or something refresh x.x I'm not going to farm mobs to get 20 blues in 2 hours, I've already done the Nightfall and the Raid, and I'm already wearing standard legendaries so who cares about marks. Even a trash legendary that immediately gets dismantled is better than blues, and it makes you want to try again, but they didn't seem to get that memo from every loot game in existence x.x
 

ced

Member
My 2 1/2 yr old daughter walked by while I was at the Cryptarch yesterday and asked me "Whats that whats that", I told her the bad bad man.
 

WITHE1982

Member
I honestly feel like this game is a less good version of Borderlands.

I am only on level 8. Tell me how wrong I am and that it truly does get better after level 20.

Not really. It feels quite different to Borderlands IMO.

The game does get a lot better at higher levels when you can access some end game content like higher level strikes and challenges.

Is it as good as Borderlands? I'm not 100% sure. I can't seem to really compare the two as they feel a lot different to me. I love Borderlands and I'm not yet sure If I'll think the same way about Destiny in a few years time, but so far I'm very much enjoying playing it (every single night for hours on end).
 

Futaba

Member
Needs an event where you can get a 0 defence armor that looks like a tshirt, and has "I traded in 20 legendary engrams and all i got was this lousy tshirt" with trollface cryptarch on the back.
 

Number45

Member
Just stay back by the "stairs" down into that room, and pop your head out now and then to take shots. I don't think the mobs will actually follow into the "stair" room, the furthest they seem to want to go is the "antechamber" room between the stair room and the main room.
Yeah I did this, and for the most part they stay put. My main issue was getting unlucky when popping out (a single vandal hit takes me to less than 10%, so two take me straight down) really. Somebody mentioned that a good sniper rifle to the boss can finish the mission before it starts... but I don't have one of those. I do now have FOUR legendary chests though! :'(

I actually quite enjoy the challenge of the other missions. As long as I have a little space to work with it's cool to take things out one at a time. The scout rifle I have is amazing for precision shots (goblins go down in two hits to the abdomen, headshots on a good number of grunts are one shot).
 

HunRevan

Member
Wow scout rifles are indeed very good in PVP. I am using Cryptic Dragon now and it feels so great. Very good stability (when upgraded) and also there is perk for using radar when you ADS. I was gonna buy it from the vendor anyway but RNGesus was in my favor again.
 
Just hit 28 baby this morning after some quick relic iron farming.

But I'm looking at the Ascendant Shards I need to finish upgrading my chest (24?), helm(18) and boots (just 6 more) and I'm crying a little...

Not sure if I'm on my final helm or chest armor though :/

edit: looks up... holy hell, nvm my bitching.

Where are you relic iron farming? I need, and I know this isn't the technical term, a "fuckton" of relic irons to upgrade my armor.
 

Atkison04

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So for the Queen's wrath pvp bounties (2 of them so far), we need an equipped class item, emblem and shader? Why are the emblem and shader rank 1 and the class item rank 2? I was hoping to clear out my lingering queen bounties tonight but I'm not even at rank 1 yet :(
 
What content, you mean the sames 5 strike or the same shitty patrol quest they been doing for hours?. This game is a loot game so players shouldnt have to buy shit in order to lv and get new gear. They should play a level 26 strike or do good in pvp and get great gear but we all know that not the case in this game.

The rest of the game is shitty and repetitive so the solution is to stand, never moving, and shoot at a cave for hours?

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By the way, the Queen's Wrath Missions and the Nightfall strikes do give out legitimately good gear.

And I'm going to take specific issue with this:

This game is a loot game so players shouldnt have to buy shit in order to lv and get new gear.

All loot games are supposed to be the same? The game is clearly designed so you buy gear to advance. Unlike every other loot game out there you control your advancement. You do the strikes, you get rep & marks to buy good gear. Could it be buffed? Sure, but it's completely viable. I hit level 28 last night just doing patrols, strikes, bounties, etc. But people apparently refuse to buy things and are trying to make the drop system their only method of advancement, when it's not tuned for that. No wonder they're having a bad time.
 
3 raid and 1 exotic fully upgraded

Or

4 raid fully upgraded.

I think that's about 87 shards? Can anyone confirm?
If what my friend said is true then each piece of raid gear is 7 shards per upgrade. There's usually 3 upgrades per piece of legendary gear.

So 7*3*3, 63 plus whatever it takes to upgrade exotic which assuming it's 6 and also has 3 shield upgrades that requires shards then 18. I'd say 81. Unless of course exotics have 4 shield upgrades then yes it is 87.
 

Heroman

Banned
That is what the challenges are for, as well as the bounties. Playing the same level on 24 and 28 is a different experience. Now turn on epic or heroic, juggler, angry, all these things make for a different experience. For PvE there is more content gameplay wise than any of the halo games. you just have to challenge yourself and not keep playing the same content that is 4 levels below you.

No one bitched about only having 4 difficulties in the Halo campaigns, but every one is saying that the half dozen difficulties available already for normal missions is not enough. then you have a daily hard mission, and weekly you get two more strike challenges. that is a lot of content right there without even getting into the strike, which is incredibly easy to find a team to do as long as you are leveled appropriately.

You are still playing the same quest, It doesn't matter how hard it is cause you know what enemies will show up and what you are going to do.The only different is that in a lv 28 strike is that you use dumb tactic in order to cheese the boss.
 

HaleStorm

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What does that mean, how do you work for the exact items you want in Diablo? I feel so lost in these conversations. I admit I have totally not played D3 to endgame but I played the absolute shit out of D2 and remember how that worked.

In diablo you play the same areas repeatedly to get drops across 5 palette swaps. If you are going for one key item you have to continually grind only one of those areas. If you want a specific amulet you have to kill a boss mob that only spawns in one spot in 4 of the areas that has a low drop rate. each one spawns a different item. you need one each of three of those items to creat a key to open another dimension where there is a chance for an item you need to drop. a low chance. you need three of those items. It takes forever.

Once you are in the end game for each class there is only one viable build. There may be a second, but you are going to be reaching a bit. then you treat every single encounter exactly the same. they only thing that changes is some of the mobs have abilities that mean you cannot stand in one spot and spam attacks, but have to move once in a while. far less variety in gameplay.

The rifts are the new hotness, where you have to kill 1000 enemies that are tougher than normal, but you are still just spamming the same attacks.

In Destiny, I have half a dozen loadouts that I will swap between depending on what I am fighting. Cabal? Fire shotgun Dr nope. Vex? Hand cannon void fusion. Raid? respec my susinger and switch to my PvP sunbreakers (my hats speedy healing does not really help much with the 30 second delay). Hive? Does not matter much, just have fire and arc available. There is a lot more depth to this game than most people are willing to give it credit for.
 

commish

Jason Kidd murdered my dog in cold blood!
The endgame grind in Destiny is uniquely boring. Running around the moon for the same 16 helium filaments is mind-numbing.

That's a bit disingenuous. That's not the endgame grind. How would you compare Destiny's endgame grind to MMOs? To other FPSs? To other loot games (e.g., D3 where you literally run rifts and more rifts and more rifts all day, every day)?

I guess I'm not sure what people expected from this type of game. I'm not saying that's an excuse - being as shitty as others doesn't mean you get a pass. Bungie could have elevated it to a new level but didn't (although in some ways, they did).
 

Seil

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That's valid, but I completely disagree.

They're huge deals to me.

28 is the level of enemies in the raid.
29 is the max level I can reach without having to count on RNG a single time.

Each level breakpoint up to 29 also makes a huge difference in your capabilities as a player that isn't present in other games.

These levels are supposed to serve the purpose of making farming for better stuff more efficient, not be the actual goal. At least in the mindset of a loot game, which again is how they described the end game. Yes, they're "important", but they're also not.

You mean the raid gear right?

What? No. Raid gear itself can be shit lol. I have a piece of raid gear, it doesn't have the stats I want, it needs to be replaced eventually. None of my weapons are the weapon type nor have the mods I want. THAT is how loot games work. You can get the item you want but not the actual mods and stats you want. You keep trying to perfect those. This is why even if you get a legendary every hour, it doesn't break a damn thing. Because you keep trying to get a better one.

Example: http://www.destinydb.com/items/855958099-the-supremacy#1.MVbe3wY8

Look at the modifier slots. All those slots that can roll, 3 5 or 6 different possibilities. That is what you're supposed to be working against. You keep trying to get the perfect one, not any one. Getting The Supremacy, for example, isn't the goal. Getting one with the abilities you want is.

What does that mean, how do you work for the exact items you want in Diablo? I feel so lost in these conversations. I admit I have totally not played D3 to endgame but I played the absolute shit out of D2 and remember how that worked.

It's not working toward like a linear progression. You deal with pure random. But you get SOMETHING shiny fairly often, even if it's not a good shiny. And that keeps you going. Until you do get an improvement and then it's bliss. Here, you're lucky to get a garbage legendary after hours of playing.
 

Afrocious

Member
So to hit level 30, you need to be completely in raid gear with or without an exotic? I'm sporting the Sunbreakers with the raid chest and boots. Will I need the raid headpiece to get to 30?
 
If what my friend said is true then each piece of raid gear is 7 shards per upgrade. There's usually 3 upgrades per piece of legendary gear.

So 7*3*3, 63 plus whatever it takes to upgrade exotic which assuming it's 6 and also has 3 shield upgrades that requires shards then 18. I'd say 81. Unless of course exotics have 4 shield upgrades then yes it is 87.

Exotic requires 8 shards per upgrade, so 8*3=24; 24+63=87 total.
 

Hawkian

The Cryptarch's Bane
Woofington, exotics do upgrade 4 times (2, 2, 2,3).

edit: maybe I'm wrong about this, not positive.
Is the title of the next OT chosen yet? I'd like to throw my 2 cents.

Destiny |OT5| Abusive relationships: Why do you keep going back to the Chryptarch?
i like that more than anything having to do with the cave. very applicable.
All loot games are supposed to be the same? The game is clearly designed so you buy gear to advance. Unlike every other loot game out there you control your advancement. You do the strikes, you get rep & marks to buy good gear. Could it be buffed? Sure, but it's completely viable and gives you control over your advancement. I hit level 28 last night just doing patrols, strikes, bounties, etc. But people apparently refuse to buy things and are trying to make the drop system their only method of advancement, when it's not tuned for that. No wonder they're having a bad time.
are you on PS4? please add Hawkian
 

lyrick

Member
Does anyone know exactly what "Additional resources are now granted for completing City tasks in any destination" implies?
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pringles

Member
Is either of the exotic bounties A Light In The Dark or Toland's legacy worth doing? I got the choice again and I've already done 'A Dubious Task'.
 

ethomaz

Banned
I honestly feel like this game is a less good version of Borderlands.

I am only on level 8. Tell me how wrong I am and that it truly does get better after level 20.
I liked and had fun with Borderlands...

But the gameplay is ridiculous compared with Destiny... Borderlands feels rushed.

That talking about PVE because if you add PVP...
 

Hawkian

The Cryptarch's Bane
Does anyone know exactly what " additional resources are awarded for completing city tasks in any destination" implies?
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My guess is that doing beacon missions gets you a little of that planet's resource on completion after you unlock that? aka WANT
 

Izuna

Banned
So fucking bullshit I cannot get past LV29 unless I exchange ALL armour I picked up with Armour I can RANDOMLY get from a fucking 6 person mission...

All of those Ascendant Shards were wasted getting to LV28 then...
 
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