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Bethesda is being extremely shady about The Evil Within's PC framerate
- Thread starter Grief.exe
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They're publishing.
FleckSplat
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This is the point of the pre-release cycle where everyone needs to sit back and think. If 60 frames per second is vital to you as an enthusiast PC gamer and you want to reward developers who include it, then please don't preorder it, or cancel an existing preorder until you can confirm that it is 60 frames per second or has the other PC features you need.
Just be a little patient and wait a day or two after release to read impressions before blindly handing your money over. The preorder bonuses are overpowered pieces of crap that become useless after twenty minutes of playing anyway.
Don't buy into the hype.
Just be a little patient and wait a day or two after release to read impressions before blindly handing your money over. The preorder bonuses are overpowered pieces of crap that become useless after twenty minutes of playing anyway.
Don't buy into the hype.
You're right that my use of the word "port" was wrong, it's just so common in PC games that are typically console oriented that it has become my go to. That's my bad.
And yeah then, I think we're in agreement. In hindsight the comment was more geared towards the comments calling Dark Souls II a perfect port. I think it's important that we don't gloss over the particular flaws just because overall it was well done. Stuff like framerate messing with game mechanics leads to other things like no 120fps support and the like, which we should hope for PC versions to have access to.
Games locked at 30 FPS also causes compatibility issues for 3D and Occulus Rift support. Technically they May still work, but it will be a terrible experience.
Gstaff did confirm The ability to remove the black bars for the PC version.
Gstaff did confirm The ability to remove the black bars for the PC version.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
I assumed it was possible, the fact it exists in the first place on the consoles, was why I was using it an example that something had gone terribly wrong.
CyberPunked
Member
How can you possibly believe that PC was the lead? They massively downgraded the graphics to accommodate the consoles.
loganclaws
Plane Escape Torment
Lol if they're seriously locking fps to 30.
Reminds me of how much Respawn altered the Source Engine to the point that things just started to fall apart in places, where normally the source engine excels at.
Guerrillas in the Mist
Member
If there's one thing that's good about idTech5 games (well, both of them), it's the extremely quick load times. Wolfenstein:TNO literally loads up in a few seconds.
GavinUK86
Member
Wait, what? I didn't know that.
I got ya.
Consoles were certainly taken into account, but that does not stop PC being the lead development platform. Its the same deal for a series like Battlefield.
The difference between the PC version of Dark Souls 2 and the console version are immense. The only thing that was downgraded was the lighting and even that is still better on the PC version. The differences go well beyond what you'd expect if it were merely a console port:
Hero_of_the_Day
Member
They've been avoiding answering the question for months now (first tweet in OP being from February). The senior producer said to ask him again closer to launch. Here we are closer to launch (a week before actually) and his only response has been to point out the obvious fact that they haven't released specs yet. No shit, if you had, we wouldn't be asking. Grief tweeted him and the VP of Bethesda, a designer from Tango, and a community manager. Still no answer.
Again, it's a week before the fucking launch of the game and they still haven't answered the damn question. Why the fuck should anyone think "well, I'm sure it's fine..."? If it's all good, tell us it's all fucking good. Asking about the framerate shouldn't be some closely guarded secret 7 days before launch. It's not some story element or crazy feature they want to surprise people with.
This coming from an absolute frame rate OCD perfectionist, one cannot deny the difference between your basic 30fps and 30fps "done right" (as NullPointer pointed out in the Horizon 2 thread.)
30fps locked would completely devastate me, no doubt. However, give me that that Gears 3 pseudo-60fps smoothness and I'm content. *shrug*
I'm definitely with you , though, Grief.
30fps locked would completely devastate me, no doubt. However, give me that that Gears 3 pseudo-60fps smoothness and I'm content. *shrug*
I'm definitely with you , though, Grief.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
There is no such thing as 30fps done right on the PC. For one, refresh rates aren't exactly 60hz on PC monitors. And there's no such thing as "psuedo-60fps smoothness" on any platform. At best, you can try to hide the unnatural choppiness of fast movement with excessive motion blur.
99% of the time, a 30fps lock on the PC means that they're not getting my money.
Lord_Balkan
Member
Sure, but that is still a really novice mistake on their part. I did that when I made my own tetris clone / first game. Never again.
Seems like it is mainly Japanese devs that are use to catering to a single platform or consoles.
I also highly doubt Carmack did that because of gameplay. Considering Doom 3 / Quake 3 were fine in that regard. Again, I suspect it had something to do with megatexturing.
Do they?
Miss.Selfdestruct
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Waaaiiit a second.... Bethesda is developing TEW and therefore responsible for performance issues???
Gosh, all this time I thought it was the Tango Gameworks team and possibly another 3rd party dev(s) for new-gen porting...
Gosh, all this time I thought it was the Tango Gameworks team and possibly another 3rd party dev(s) for new-gen porting...
Why ask when you already know they do?
Frames per second is an objective measurement. There is no way to say it is smoother than another game with 30 FPS.
Some developers utilize excessive motion blur, and I have a feeling that is what you are referring to.
Bethesda is publishing, Tango Gameworks is the developer.
Tango is owned by Bethesda/Zenimax which blurs the lines.
Jinfash
needs 2 extra inches
Is it? It looked pretty unstable in most video I've seen thus far. Really hoping this turns out to be true.
IcyRhythms
Member
Well, based on that, if the game is locked at 30 on PC we'll know they're full of it when they duck and dodge questions in the future.
Rogue_Ledr
Banned
Why the hell would they lock the framerate on PC? That makes no sense!
Hero_of_the_Day
Member
LOL @ the "but I'm not in marketing". Hear you loud and clear there, Jason.
It has looked unstable in the past, but the recent build That have been shown off are solid.
This is second hand information passed down to me.
Crimsonclaw111
Member
Hoo boy. Fucking up your pr good, Bethesda.
I might just have to cancel my pre-order purely out of principle.
I just can't support intentionally hiding pertinent information from consumers. Let alone my aversion to playing games below 60 FPS.
isn't this a survival game? I am not sure why this type of game needs to be 60fps.
Why does this or any game need to be hard locked @ 30? Explain that.
I would play it safe, cancel and wait to see how this turns out.
Crimsonclaw111
Member
I wish I had a preorder to cancel. But whatever looks like I won't buy until I get a straight answer.
You should know better then to pre-order games anyways. Especially triple A pap.
wait we are talking about the PC version being locked? That's bullshit. I thought the compliant was for consoles.
Nope, consoles we knew and accepted, Bethesda is not willing to give us the facts about the pc version of the game which is very telling imho.
Wait, who wants who fired?
UnrealEck
Member
I really don't get this at all.
What difference does this make? The game animating much more smoothly at twice (or more) the framerate of 30 is a big deal.
I see people say this sort of thing a lot. I'm trying to figure out what they mean by it.
Hero_of_the_Day
Member
Funny that before it was "ask me closer to release" and now that we're close to release it's "sorry, not my department" meanwhile everyone else who has been asked is remaining silent.
Autofokus
Member
Sorry for the 1/2 OT, but do we know if this is PC-only or also possible on console? My Plasma is no fan of black bars.
Crimsonclaw111
Member
It's a console command.
crazy buttocks on a train
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Oh god.
good lord
It's a survival horror, but also a TPS as well. I would argue that 60 FPS is paramount for that type,of game, but it is an also extremely important setting for the PC community.
Distance from The screen and using a mouse all factor into the need for the higher framerate, but the vast majority of games I play are at 60 frames. On console, you don't have a choice, but we have become accostomed to high framerates over the years.
Fair point.
Who are you referring to?
PC only, the black bars are likely there for performance concerns on consoles.