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Should the WiiU have at trophy/achievement system?
- Thread starter dano1
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SolidSnakex
Member
Sony introduced trophies nearly two years into the PS3's lifespan.
popsicle_sundays
Member
Since I play so much PS4/X1 when I go to my WiiU I honestly find myself missing it. I never thought I'd be one of those people but I feel like the Trophies/Achievements help me move forward for something, they push me to finish games.
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
Can't we have one platform that doesn't shit up all its games with compulsory trophies / achievements?
Please?
Just make up your own trophies and write them on a picture you can email round to people who don't care.
"Force people to implement trophies and achievements, and then throw people who don't want them the smallest possible bone by telling them to opt out" is such a shit counter-argument.
Please?
Just make up your own trophies and write them on a picture you can email round to people who don't care.
"Force people to implement trophies and achievements, and then throw people who don't want them the smallest possible bone by telling them to opt out" is such a shit counter-argument.
If the reason is to add more meat to a game, then games currently can do that with their own tailored in-game achievements.
If I want to share it with the world I'll just snap a photo and post it on Miiverse. Progress is measured in different ways for games so a one size fits all solution is not the best option.
If I want to share it with the world I'll just snap a photo and post it on Miiverse. Progress is measured in different ways for games so a one size fits all solution is not the best option.
I don't understand people saying nope.
It's an optional feature that satisfies people who like it and people who don't like it don't have to use it.
Looking at the communities behind trophies and achievements on PlayStation and Xbox, I'd say there are plenty of people who like it.
Also, I truly believe some games are made better by a decent trophy/achievement list.
It's an optional feature that satisfies people who like it and people who don't like it don't have to use it.
Looking at the communities behind trophies and achievements on PlayStation and Xbox, I'd say there are plenty of people who like it.
Also, I truly believe some games are made better by a decent trophy/achievement list.
zenosparadox
Member
I wouldn't mind if Nintendo had their own trophy-like system, but it is really low on the list on the things that Nintendo could do to make their products better.
Yeah, but it would be nice to have a single place where I can see all the stamps I got across all games. And if that place were public, that would essentially be a regular achievement thingy.
Dr_LucienSanchez
Banned
Yes. They're not super important, but they can be fun. And they can also encourage me to try different things out in games. Like the various weapon trophies in uncharted or a complete stealth run in mgs2.
Nintendo will do its own thing though. Until their next console when they finally adopt a system similar to achievements/trophies.
Nintendo will do its own thing though. Until their next console when they finally adopt a system similar to achievements/trophies.
dano1
A Sheep
Bye the way I had my WiiU before my PS4. But for some reason I enjoy getting trophies.. But when the game got delayed and came out about the same time I picked the PS4 version because of having trophies.
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
But its an optional feature NOW and people don't like that.
What people seemingly actually want everytime this topic comes up is for Nintendo to make it compulsory for all games to include achievements / trophies at a systemwide level.
That's the opposite of optional.
DarthWalden
Banned
Yes absolutely.
I'm not a huge achievement whore or anything but I still enjoy them and I think they are sorely missing on wiiu.
I'm not a huge achievement whore or anything but I still enjoy them and I think they are sorely missing on wiiu.
Trophies and achievements are only fun if it's systemwide tbh.
This. Love the idea of Stamp book. Also add the ability to browse by date - would be like a journal. And yeah, no need for number.True, but they really should have provided a system wide implementation of them. I would love if you had a "Stamp Book" and could browse them based on game. You dont even need to have a number attached to them, just list the description of how you got the stamp if you cursor over it. Maybe next console
Quoted for enforcement.
I was also kind of disappointed DKTF didn't incluse stamps, it has its puzzles I know but I like when the games use a similar structure.
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
Right, which makes it a compulsory thing, and some games are utterly ruined by the addition of trophies.
Dr_LucienSanchez
Banned
What games have been ruined by trophies?
Flame Lord
Member
Unsurprisingly this thread has turned the exact same as it has every other time it has been made. It's to late now, but I do hope their next console has them.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Yes, and they should all be stamps. Except you should be able to check your friends "Stamp Collection", which lists how they were awarded (Collectable in game or Feat based).
Multiplayer games can be ruined by stupid achievements and people trying to get them instead of playing the game properly. Other than that, I have no idea.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
I think the best solution would be to have a NNID-based system in place that is opt-in for developers.
Good Miiverse integration is probably better than any specific achievement list for people who care about sharing that kind of stuff, but having the option for standard achievements wouldn't be a bad thing.
Good Miiverse integration is probably better than any specific achievement list for people who care about sharing that kind of stuff, but having the option for standard achievements wouldn't be a bad thing.
This is the entire reason implementing such a feature system-wide is a great thing. It's neat to be able to bring up a list of my trophies/achievements and compare them to my buddies. Not for competition, but as a way to see what sort of games we like. If my buddies have maxed out all the achievements or trophies in a game, its usually a sign to me that the game is worth checking out.
Such features really only work at a system level. On a game-by-game basis, I have to actually have the game in the first place to check the trophy/achievement progress.
Leafhopper
Banned
Anything involving multiplayer. Since people get the trophies and then never play the game again. In turn people wont play certain parts of games because the achievements or trophies are "too hard to achieve"
Any game in which trophies incentivise something that the player would not otherwise have found worthwhile.
That sounds more the fault of these strawmen than the trophies themselves.
Zen_Arcade
Banned
They could, but it wouldn't fix any of their problems. Trophies are nice, but they don't make enough of an impact on games for me to consider the games any better for it.
Outside of multi player I don't think they can ruin anything.
In the beginning Gears Of War was terrible to play online because people would constantly use weapons they weren't good with just to rack up kills to get achievements. It subsided after a couple months. But it was pretty tiresome watch a couple people a game fail at using the sniper rifle or pistol and screw up the game for the rest of the team.
Outside of multi player I don't think they can ruin anything.
GasProblem
Member
I really like the stamps you can use on Miiverse. Way better then a trophy. Would be cool if stamps were system wide and you could check out your friends stamp collection etc.
ULTROS!
People seem to like me because I am polite and I am rarely late. I like to eat ice cream and I really enjoy a nice pair of slacks.
Yes it does. People should take note that:
1. There's a community for it.
2. If Nintendo had it from the start, the community will be highly interested.
3. ...
4. Profit
Also, doesn't it also increase play value? I mean I play the game and when I finish it, I crave to complete the platinum and I get a bang for my buck.
1. There's a community for it.
2. If Nintendo had it from the start, the community will be highly interested.
3. ...
4. Profit
Also, doesn't it also increase play value? I mean I play the game and when I finish it, I crave to complete the platinum and I get a bang for my buck.
The Elite
BOSS
Yes.
Another opportunity to plug my system level sticker/stamp system. Every user gets a Sticker Book that is tied to their NNID. You unlock stickers in games by completing various tasks (Some Nintendo games already have this) and then they are placed in the Sticker Book. The more difficult the achievement, the larger the sticker is.
You can rearrange the stickers in your Sticker Book however you like and they are there for everyone to see via Miiverse. You can also use the stickers for your Miiverse posts.
There is no score associated with them. It's just the size of the sticker that denotes the difficulty of the achievement.
Nintendo is practically already doing this now with some of their own games. If they made it system level and opened it up to third parties I think this would fill the achievement gap.
Another opportunity to plug my system level sticker/stamp system. Every user gets a Sticker Book that is tied to their NNID. You unlock stickers in games by completing various tasks (Some Nintendo games already have this) and then they are placed in the Sticker Book. The more difficult the achievement, the larger the sticker is.
You can rearrange the stickers in your Sticker Book however you like and they are there for everyone to see via Miiverse. You can also use the stickers for your Miiverse posts.
There is no score associated with them. It's just the size of the sticker that denotes the difficulty of the achievement.
Nintendo is practically already doing this now with some of their own games. If they made it system level and opened it up to third parties I think this would fill the achievement gap.
So, a programmer who's tasked with implementing an achievement system should instead work on getting third parties on board? Okay. Makes sense, I guess. I mean, totally comparable. Totally an either-or situation.
theSlacker
Member
I like having one system where I don't have to worry about achievements/trophies/whatever. They have really ruined my gaming on other things since I can't just play a game and have to make sure I get all the fake points because I'm stupid.
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
To clarify, because the last time I got genuinely angry posting on GAF was this topic about trophies;
- I'm fine with a systemwide "profile page" which lists whatever collections in whatever games you've earned for any games that choose to implement that, like Steams profile page
- I'm 100% not fine with the concept that trophies should be a mandatory inclusion in a specific standardised format for every game, just as I'm 100% not fine with the concept that every game should be an FPS or that everygame should be open world, and I don't care how much the people who love open world and FPS games want that
Apart from poorly implemented trophies and multiplayer specific trophies that become impossible to obtain, I can tell you some games that WOULD HAVE BEEN ruined with trophies:
- Castlevania SOTN
- the Silent Hills
- Super Mario 3D Land / Super Mario 3D World
- Any game that contains structural game surprises
- I'm fine with a systemwide "profile page" which lists whatever collections in whatever games you've earned for any games that choose to implement that, like Steams profile page
- I'm 100% not fine with the concept that trophies should be a mandatory inclusion in a specific standardised format for every game, just as I'm 100% not fine with the concept that every game should be an FPS or that everygame should be open world, and I don't care how much the people who love open world and FPS games want that
Apart from poorly implemented trophies and multiplayer specific trophies that become impossible to obtain, I can tell you some games that WOULD HAVE BEEN ruined with trophies:
- Castlevania SOTN
- the Silent Hills
- Super Mario 3D Land / Super Mario 3D World
- Any game that contains structural game surprises
TsunamiOfSwagger
Member
I think they should. I mean they have so much to choose from for what they could call it, stars, coins, rupees.
brickarts295
Member
This guy knows whats up.
I for one like trophies just to see what my friends have played and which trophy did they get. This is also kind of useful since can pretty much see if you friend did indeed beat that game on hard mode like swears he did on the phone.
Allowing trophy/achievement prompts to be hidden prevents all of that. It's not an inherent flaw with the system, but rather its current implementation. Heck, you could even make it the developers' choice if they want the popups or not by default.
Realistically, it's stupid to not have them. Take out the stupid points and leveling system and just put them in for things people wouldn't normally do. You know, the actually fun Trophies. That way, you avoid the issue of spoiling game mechanics, levels, or anything else that could be ruined by the trophy text. Also, don't put them for stupid crap in multiplayer and ruin it.
Heeeeeeeeel no. Stamps have kind of ruined Miiverse.
No, it needs more miiverse stamps, all games should have stamps
Heeeeeeeeel no. Stamps have kind of ruined Miiverse.