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[Beartruck]

When people say "graphics aren't important", I wonder why they bother with new hardware.

This was, in the past, not only because of a graphical improvement, but the extra hardware allowed different kinds of games to be made. Star Fox couldn't be made on an NES, Mario 64 couldn't be made on the SNES, etc. Sadly nowadays consoles are already pretty powerful so it's little more than just a graphics boost, with maybe a little better physics or more objects on screen.

About Final Fantasy, i think VI and IX are the best in the series, although many tend to put VII on that spot.

That isn't really controversial, I completely agree.

 

[orthodoxy1095]

I hate games without stories and I hate games with bad stories.

I guess I'm just demanding.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

My PS4 is an over complicated piece of shit, that freezes, crashes, and disconnects with errors from PSN's smoothness... Now I look back at my Wii U and wish Sony had the same level of backlash threads that made Nintendo work so hard to fix the issues

just saying, while trying to upload DriveClub videos on Youtube to the same channel my WiiU uploaded MK8 videos to without error. PS4 froze and crashed twice at the share screen and also can't wake or turn it on from REST MODE have to unplug which it has a warning against doing

try again to upload to youtube

An error has occurred
(CE-33103-0)

yeah smh

 

[syncyes]

Vanille from Final Fantasy XIII is a great character.

 

[SatelliteOfLove]

Want to not miss anything, lots of reading guides.

No guide-reading necessary, but must be OK with missing things,.

Pick one.

 

[The Dennis System]

People who buy prebuilt gaming PCs are not human garbage.

 

[Lanrutcon]

FINAL FANTASY!!!

Why does there have to be like 20 of them? Tell the fucking story already!


MINECRAFT

This game could've came out 30 years ago - it looks like shit, and what is the god-awful point?

If you need someone to explain the appeal of digital Lego to you, then you probably don't have a creative side.

 

[impact]

Dota 2 is awful and I wish it was less/not popular. Same to LoL but that goes without saying.

 

[demidar]

Dota 2 is awful and I wish it was less/not popular. Same to LoL but that goes without saying.

I'd love to hear why you think that.

 

[Some Nobody]

I've posted in here several times before, but I got a new one at least I think it's new sorry if it's a repeat. I searched but nothing similar showed up.

Anyways...I'd seriously quit playing Zelda, and potentially all Nintendo games in general if one of their major characters were significantly changed, especially Link. The character is in no way, at least in my opinion that's been formed over the seventeen years I've played Zelda, an avatar so there is no need to change him or make him chageable. In fact, I'd argue that the only thing Link needs is to probably get rid of the naming ability, but it's fine if it stays. Oh and changing him and then hiding it by pretending that the changed version of him is just a sibling or something is just as offensive to me. If we so desperately need another character like Link that can appeal to a different crowd, then make a new character who is completely unique to itself that doesn't borrow anything from Link.

So basically don't change Link or I'm out. It's bad enough that I've had to spend basically the last four months straight worrying about this straight, I just hope Aonuma knows this, I mean to some he's an avatar but to an equal amount he isn't.

This makes me wish Link were a black chick.

 

[Dr. Buni]

Smash Bros is one of my favorite series, but the community (not only here on GAF) is insufferable, which is a shame because a community is needed for a multiplayer-oriented game like Smash. Smash fans only know to complain all the time. According to them, in regards of the new Smash: The roster is bad, the stages are bad (because they can't accept hazards in a party/fighting game), the 3DS version is shit (underwhelming yes, but shit? please), the Omega Mode is bad, the online is bad... Yet they still buy and play the game. Geez.

What is is that I often read people complaining about the Dota 2 community (random example), but my experience with said community is way more pleasing than with the toxic Smash community. The Street Fighter community also isn't half as bad. Oh well.

On an unrelated note, I think online is much more important than local multiplayer in games. Also, reading the post quoted above reminds me of how much I want a female Link, hopefully there is an option to pick Link's gender in Smash U. Lastly, I think Zelda should stay the fuck away of voice acting.

 

[Tain]

I don't agree with the sentiment, but I can at least say that "RPG" is the absolute worst descriptor in gaming. The difference between Dark Souls, Fallout 2, Divinity: Original Sin, Alpha Protocol, Tales of ___, Persona, System Shock 2, World of Warcraft, Mass Effect and New Vegas is huge, yet they are all called RPGs. Makes little sense to me, and I don't see it changing any time soon.

It really is absurd and the worst. Nothing about it makes enough sense in the context of video games or the history of the label. And it becomes even less bearable when people start using this nonsense genre descriptor as a badge of merit.

 

[slop101]

I love playing videogames, and have been doing so regularly since 1979, but here's my controversial opinion:

Playing videogames is a giant waste of time.

 

[Dimmle]

The "Link should remain male because he's an avatar and gender doesn't matter" argument is plainly contradictory.

I think gender selection could work (but it seems inelegant for the series), but I'd really rather they just fully commit to a female Link for a game and see what happens.

 

[-Horizon-]

The "Link should remain male because he's an avatar and gender doesn't matter" argument is plainly contradictory.

I think gender selection could work (but it seems inelegant for the series), but I'd really rather they just fully commit to a female Link for a game and see what happens.

This post, I like it. Especially the bolded.

 

[Nemmy]

I love playing videogames, and have been doing so regularly since 1979, but here's my controversial opinion:

Playing videogames is a giant waste of time.

I'm inclined to agree. You're basically spending hours sitting on your ass with a piece of plastic in hand, pushing buttons and occasionally screaming.

Then again, games taught me a bunch of valuable shit, and directed some of my serious real life choices, for better or worse. They changed who I am as a person, so it was not a complete waste of time, from that perspective.

 

[RockTurtle]

majora's mask was a better game that OoT by a country mile

 

[Clefargle]

GTA is a mindless franchise without any really decent characters. I watch my friends play every game over the last decade and it feels like someone was watching reality TV the entire time they wrote it. I get the appeal of an open world game with some organic elements, but every time I pick up GTA or watch I feel like the most that ever gets done is driving around fucking shit up and killing cops. I just don't get the appeal. I play games to do things that ill never be able to do, like fly through a galaxy or kill alien scum, or eat a super mushroom and crush enemies. If I really wanted to pick up hookers and run over pedestrians, I could.

 

[Murtrod]

You complain about Neogaf being 90% negativity, then devote half of your post to a eulogy on several series. What the fuck man.

I noticed the same thing. Also, I find that most Gaffers are actually quite positive about even the worst titles...

 

[Kai Dracon]

GTA is a mindless franchise without any really decent characters. I watch my friends play every game over the last decade and it feels like someone was watching reality TV the entire time they wrote it. I get the appeal of an open world game with some organic elements, but every time I pick up GTA or watch I feel like the most that ever gets done is driving around fucking shit up and killing cops. I just don't get the appeal. I play games to do things that ill never be able to do, like fly through a galaxy or kill alien scum, or eat a super mushroom and crush enemies. If I really wanted to pick up hookers and run over pedestrians, I could.

The dirty secret of GTA is that it's based on a one-note joke that Rockstar North has never really been allowed to alter. Because that's the core attitude most of the fans want to see. The problem for GTA is that as it gets bigger, more complex, more realistic, the core joke seems less and less appropriate.

I agree with those who said Red Dead Redemption was a much better evolution of Rockstar's open world games. It's not just about play mechanics or setting, but characters and story. RDR still has plenty of sarcastic social commentary about America. But it has real characters who don't exist purely to be pathetic, sociopathic, or nihilistic. It also tends to make NPCs and pedestrians matter more instead of being pure roadkill (or horsekill) targets. A simple morality system to give context to the player's actions. And a protagonist you can empathize with

 

[Murtrod]

I'm inclined to agree. You're basically spending hours sitting on your ass with a piece of plastic in hand, pushing buttons and occasionally screaming.

Then again, games taught me a bunch of valuable shit, and directed some of my serious real life choices, for better or worse. They changed who I am as a person, so it was not a complete waste of time, from that perspective.

Same can be said for music, films, television, etc. They aren't a waste of time (unless if you truly waste your life with it. There is such thing as "too much" of anything...). They inspire many of us and allow us to disconnect from the harsh realities of life for just a little while. Relaxing.

 

[-Horizon-]

GTA is a mindless franchise without any really decent characters. I watch my friends play every game over the last decade and it feels like someone was watching reality TV the entire time they wrote it. I get the appeal of an open world game with some organic elements, but every time I pick up GTA or watch I feel like the most that ever gets done is driving around fucking shit up and killing cops. I just don't get the appeal. I play games to do things that ill never be able to do, like fly through a galaxy or kill alien scum, or eat a super mushroom and crush enemies. If I really wanted to pick up hookers and run over pedestrians, I could.

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If I really wanted to pick up hookers and run over pedestrians, I could.
(Today, 11:46 AM)

 

[impact]

I'd love to hear why you think that.

The gameplay is legitimately bad for the entire genre and the community is worse than AIDS. As for why I wish it wasn't popular, because then Valve would put more money and attention into their only decent game right now, CSGO. It certainly gets the shaft compared to Dota and Valve don't really give a fuck cuz it generates them free dollaz.

 

[Damerman]

30fps is fine...

 

[goombatommy]

I don't like Minecraft.

 

[Dimmle]

Same can be said for music, films, television, etc. They aren't a waste of time (unless if you truly waste your life with it. There is such thing as "too much" of anything...). They inspire many of us and allow us to disconnect from the harsh realities of life for just a little while. Relaxing.

They can be more than escapism. It is possible to reflect on your experience with a game, song, movie, book, comic, and take something away that can direct your life choices or change your perspective. That's the true value of art.

The mindset that games are a waste of time, held by a person who regularly plays games, indicates that games, on the whole, just aren't quite there yet as a form of idea communication. The question is whether this is due to internalized mistreatment by the audience, an unhealthy stigma against intellectualism, or corporate greed playing on basic, chemical human reactions.

Answer:

Spoiler

all of the above

It's not time wasted if you're getting something out of it. Take time to think about what you're playing by yourself or cherish multiplayer as time spent with friends.

 

[Nemmy]

Same can be said for music, films, television, etc. They aren't a waste of time (unless if you truly waste your life with it. There is such thing as "too much" of anything...). They inspire many of us and allow us to disconnect from the harsh realities of life for just a little while. Relaxing.

Oh yes, absolutely. I'd say that any and all entertainment can be a waste of time in the sense that you could be doing something creative, or educational, or productive instead. I sometimes ask myself what I could do now if I spent all the time I spend gaming on learning some actual skill, like drawing.

But entertainment has a part in our lives, undeniably.

 

[Stallion Dan]

Nintendo internal studios haven't been good since the 90s and are pretty much creatively dead. Nintendo's best games since have been from outside companies they bought.

 

[Dimmle]

It's really up to the player/reader/listener/viewer whether or not he's engaging in something useful or wasting his time.

And part of that responsibility is avoiding games that you would consider a waste of time.

 

[canedaddy]

I love playing videogames, and have been doing so regularly since 1979, but here's my controversial opinion:

Playing videogames is a giant waste of time.

No question about it.

And watching people play videogames is an even bigger waste of time.

 

[Dimmle]

And watching people play videogames is an even bigger waste of time.

yeah ok this I agree with

 

[cvben]

Valve's games suck bad. I just can't wrap my head around why everyone keeps eating up mediocre fps games.

 

[slop101]

Same can be said for music, films, television, etc. They aren't a waste of time (unless if you truly waste your life with it. There is such thing as "too much" of anything...). They inspire many of us and allow us to disconnect from the harsh realities of life for just a little while. Relaxing.

I suppose I just don't get as creatively "inspired" by videogames as I do with movies and music (especially music, since I've been playing guitar for more than 25 years and have been in various bands). Videogames may be art, but not nearly of the same significance as music and film.

 

[demidar]

The gameplay is legitimately bad for the entire genre and the community is worse than AIDS. As for why I wish it wasn't popular, because then Valve would put more money and attention into their only decent game right now, CSGO. It certainly gets the shaft compared to Dota and Valve don't really give a fuck cuz it generates them free dollaz.

Gameplay is bad doesn't explain anything. Elaborate please.

I'll give you the terrible community point.

You can't actually say CSGO is the only decent game without first explaining why Dota 2 (and LoL if you want to get into it) isn't decent. If your argument is 'I don't understand it, therefore it is bad" then you have nothing of worth to say. Obviously CSGO gets the shaft, Dota 2 probably generates several orders of magnitude more money than CSGO. Valve is throwing support behind it, but communities grow slowly. CS has mostly waned in popularity before CSGO came along as opposed to Dota 2 building off an already thriving DOTA community.

 

[Dimmle]

I suppose I just don't get as creatively "inspired" by videogames as I do with movies and music (especially music, since I've been playing guitar for more than 25 years and have been in various bands). Videogames may be art, but not nearly of the same significance as music and film.

Yeah, and I don't see that changing soon. If you can get something out of them, though, more power to you.

 

[cvben]

One more for me and I think I'll walk away.

I own a 3ds, wii u, wii, owned both ds and ds lite, nearly all the iterations of the different gameboys, nes, 64, and snes.... But Nintendo fanboys are hands down the worst.

You simply cannot engage in productive conversation with them.

 

[Dimmle]

One more for me and I think I'll walk away.

I own a 3ds, wii u, wii, owned both ds and ds lite, nearly all the iterations of the different gameboys, nes, 64, and snes.... But Nintendo fanboys are hands down the worst.

You simply cannot engage in productive conversation with them.

Controversial opinion: this is all fanboys.

 

[Kai Dracon]

Like everything you get out of games what you put into them.

I have always generally played games in order to challenge myself, master discipline, understand systems and how they work, and stay flexible. I feel I've gotten enough out of it as a hobby to keep doing it, otherwise I wouldn't.

If you're judging computer games based on the criteria for literature, film, etc in terms of "getting something out of it" most of them are going to come up short and it's easy to frame games as an intrinsic waste of time. On the other hand, I don't expect to get what I get from gaming, when I listen to music or read a book.

 

[cvben]

Controversial opinion: this is all fanboys.

True to a point and perhaps it is just because of personal experience, but I have had by far worse experiences when it comes to nintendo games and systems. While I have had a few produdctive discussions with sony, microsoft, and various publisher fanboys.

Its just as if they cannot accept that Nintendo does somtimes make a bad game (not all of their games deserve to always be a perfect 10 rating.)

Or accept that Nintendo sometimes makes questionable business decisions not in the best interest of gamers.

 

[Dimmle]

Controversial proposal: "fanboy" does not seem like a term that should still exist in 2014. I propose "internet babies."

EDIT: re: your experience, cvben, yeah, I think it just depends on who you're engaging with most of the time. There is indeed a lot of Nintendo koolaid out there; it was a staple of my teenage diet.

 

[LeleSocho]

One more for me and I think I'll walk away.

I own a 3ds, wii u, wii, owned both ds and ds lite, nearly all the iterations of the different gameboys, nes, 64, and snes.... But Nintendo fanboys are hands down the worst.

You simply cannot engage in productive conversation with them.

I always have been a Nintendo only guy (in fact the only non nintendo consoles i've had were a PS1, a PS3 and for a very short time a PSV) and i agree with this.
Everything nintendo does is "magic" and they absolutely can do no wrong, i'm so fed up of that bullcrap.
Thank god i'm switching to Gaben's heaven.

 

[RockTurtle]

oh here's one that's recent:

STEAM IS JUST AS BAD AS ANY OTHER DRM LADEN SERVICE WITH THE ONLY BENEFIT IS GOOD REPUTATION FROM YEARS BEFORE.

GFWL WASN'T AS BAD AS PEOPLE MADE IT OUT TO BE

the street fighter 4 online issues and the fact steam went down one day and i couldn't play offline games because steam logged me out of my account during the crash made me aware of its drawbacks. Not even offline mode was working.

GFWL had consistency and keep up with friends was fast and convinient. Steam has the same, but the UI is cluttered, cumbersome sometimes, and the fact people can change screen names at will is a double-edged sword.

Whenever i have a choice i will now prioritize drm-free>steam>other version

 

[RM8]

True to a point and perhaps it is just because of personal experience, but I have had by far worse experiences when it comes to nintendo games and systems. While I have had a few produdctive discussions with sony, microsoft, and various publisher fanboys.

Its just as if they cannot accept that Nintendo does somtimes make a bad game (not all of their games deserve to always be a perfect 10 rating.)

Or accept that Nintendo sometimes makes questionable business decisions not in the best interest of gamers.

What? Nintendo fanboys develop the most ridiculous hate for some Nintendo games. Just mention Sticker Star to anyone you consider a fanboy, for a recent example.

In my experience, Sony fanboys are just as bad. "Sony is serious, has artistic integrity unlike Fisher Pricetendo and Micro$oft, graphics matter only starting with PS3", etc. As someone who has never owned a Microsoft console, in my eyes that fanbase is somewhat less annoying. But then, it might be that I pay more attention to the Sony and Nintendo side as a Sony and Nintendo fan.

EDIT: I'm obviously talking about annoying fanboys, not regular fans

 

[GoldenCrow]

Persona 4 (and the rest of the series) isn't even an average game it is a bad game. The combat is poor, the dungeon crawling is monotonous with some of the worst level design I have seen from a game praised so highly. The story is lame and apart from the consistency in the art direction and music the only thing it has going for it is the character interactions which is incredibly immature that is only really going to appeal to those around the same age of the characters, those who urge for a fantasy school life or people that are a bit perverted. Saying that I will still complete the game one day.

 

[aravuus]

I love playing videogames, and have been doing so regularly since 1979, but here's my controversial opinion:

Playing videogames is a giant waste of time.

In a way, I guess.

I don't consider anything you enjoy a waste of time though. Sounds like a super depressing way of looking at life tbh.

 

[R_thanatos]

I don't get GAF's obsession with the Vita. It literally does nothing for me.

Works better if you have franchises you love on it.
Besides , on a technical level , the console itself has only one fault and its the memory card price

 

[entremet]

The PS2 generation was a double edge sword.

It handicapped Japanese developers because it was too long lasting, causing them to be surprised with the HD era and woefully unprepared.

Sony's approach to online play was a disaster, leaving it to 3rd parties, held back online console gaming for one generation. They were the leader and didn't act like it in that area.

It continued Sony's obsession with custom hardware--CELL--making it a pain to develop for.

 

[oreomunsta]

True to a point and perhaps it is just because of personal experience, but I have had by far worse experiences when it comes to nintendo games and systems. While I have had a few produdctive discussions with sony, microsoft, and various publisher fanboys.

Its just as if they cannot accept that Nintendo does somtimes make a bad game (not all of their games deserve to always be a perfect 10 rating.)

Or accept that Nintendo sometimes makes questionable business decisions not in the best interest of gamers.

I've, anecdotally, found Xbox and PS fans to be worse than Nintendo, so these differences are interesting.

One of my anecdotes involves a guy I used to be friends with back in high school - let's call him Rick. Rick was a diehard PS fan, or so he claimed. The PS3 was going to release in a few months and he was just foaming at the mouth for one, but nobody else in our group of friends was willing to get one, especially not at the price it was at release. This did not sit well with Rick, because he needed people he knew to play games with. He tried for months and months to convince us to get one, even though we all had 360's since the games we wanted to play were on that console. He tried to convince us that Haze was going to be great and be the next Halo (hahaha), he tried to convince us that the PS3 had graphics better than life by showing us bits of that dragon-riding launch game, he tried to convince us that the PS3 was worth it alone as a Blu-Ray player (the only argument that made some sense), and (best of all) he tried to convince us that the PS3 was going to cure cancer. He had heard a little about folding@home, or whatever it was called, but never bothered to investigate into it so he was convinced that the actual machine would cure cancer, as if the machine scanned you, or you had to rub it all over yourself - I don't even know what he was thinking.

 

[Dimmle]

What? Nintendo fanboys develop the most ridiculous hate for some Nintendo games. Just mention Sticker Star to anyone you consider a fanboy, for a recent example.

In my experience, Sony fanboys are just as bad. "Sony is serious, has artistic integrity unlike Fisher Pricetendo and Micro$oft, graphics matter only starting with PS3", etc. As someone who has never owned a Microsoft console, in my eyes that fanbase is somewhat less annoying. But then, it might be that I pay more attention to the Sony and Nintendo side as a Sony and Nintendo fan.

EDIT: I'm obviously talking about annoying fanboys, not regular fans

Sticker Star deserves no quarter.

 

[Shion]

Nintendo internal studios haven't been good since the 90s and are pretty much creatively dead. Nintendo's best games since have been from outside companies they bought.

Completely agree.

With the sole exception of Super Mario Galaxy, EAD hasn't been anything special since the N64 era.