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Sony FY14 Q2: 3.3M PS4, 0.8M PS3, 0.7M PSV/TV shipped

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Mass_Pincup

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shinra-bansho said:
That's highly improbable. The system has only sold-through around 5.2M in the US and Japan combined. The rate of sales also don't necessitate high amounts in the channel.

I just cannot see how it's plausible for that much to be sold in other territories.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEFpSYZAoRo

It's stated that the cumulative sales of the PS3 PS4 and PSVITA was 100 millions.
With this I think we can extrapolate that the Vita was around 7-8 millions as of july.
 
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Canis lupus

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ArchedThunder said:
To be fair they haven't sold 13.5 million PS4s, they've shipped that many. The sold number is probably around 11-12 million.
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It's safe to assume whatever Sony ships gets sold asap. They sold through 10M consoles nearly 3 months ago. Do you think they sold only 1M consoles in 3 months with that Destiny bundle and a few other bundles(Fifa) in Europe?
 
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Xando

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EGM1966 said:
Yah - two other points I think played a big part was the fact that despite a lot of the PS3 issues early on at the end of the day the PS brand probably remained stronger from a legacy point of view - after all PS4 was launching following 3 previous consoles with combined sales worldwide of approx 310 million consoles sold vs MS brand coming of a good growth with 360 but ultimately the XB1 was following 2 consoles with combined sales of approx 105 million consoles sold and hence from a legacy perspective while strong the Xbox brand was probably still behind Playstation brand.

Secondly I think MS made a mistake not providing stronger first party (or second party funded) support for core games in the latter years of the consoles life. By swinging so strongly towards Kinect they ended up more aligned with the Wii and the fade of motion controls and seemed weaker than Sony in terms of flow of big core games. Mad as it might sound I think TLOU provided the Playstation brand with a terrific boost just at the right time ahead of PS4 launch.

TBH only wrong moves I think Sony have made so far are releasing GT6 late on PS3 - with hindsight that would have been better as first GT on PS4 - and being slow to deliver some of the OS/other features elements highlighted around launch. Oh and DriveClub although that's technically Evo messing up.

MS though have improved their message and I think are stabilizing now to deliver stronger competition. The XB1 is seeing sales spikes for big game launches too and while it's probably already locked into a WW second place if handled correctly MS can still get a decent performance out of the console I think. Like the PS3 to the PS2 though I think they're going to have to consider a scenario where the XB1 sells less than 360 overall.

I guess you can summarize the switch from last gen to this with Sony now breaking out PS4/PS3 numbers and MS combining 360/XB1 numbers. That there tells the tale of first and second place at the moment.
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I think the biggest problem MS has is europe.

They probably wouldn't have won it this gen but they could have been in a far better position than they are now.
Since the reveal they have basically ignored europe (Almost no ads and the only offers we get are retailer bundles because they don't sell meanwhile Sony is running new ads every 2-3 weeks and almost everytime we get a offer PS4 goes out of stock in my local Media Markt).
MS gained a lot of ground with the 360 (atleast here in germany) but it all got destroyed with the reveal and how they reacted to kinect( i think a week before the reveal snowden revealed that MS shares a lot of data with the NSA).
 
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wotta

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Canis lupus said:
It's safe to assume whatever Sony ships gets sold asap. They sold through 10M consoles nearly 3 months ago. Do you think they sold only 1M consoles in 3 months with that Destiny bundle and a few other bundles(Fifa) in Europe?
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They have sold 13.5 million quite easily.
 
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SykoTech

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Road said:
PS4 13.5 million
Wii 13.17 million

Shipment at the same point.

Wii 20.13 million by December.

Might make a chart later.
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Uh, wow. Knew the PS4 was killing it, but didn't realize that it's on Wii-levels of success. A bit above it actually.

That's unexpected. In a good way though.
 
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Ricky_R

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Incredible. If one console right now doesn't deserve this it's the PS4 with how awful their PSN has been and their lack of, and mediocre, games.
 
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ArchedThunder

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Ricky_R said:
Incredible. If one console right now doesn't deserve this it's the PS4 with how awful their PSN has been and their lack of, and mediocre, games.
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Sony be like
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airmangataosenai

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shinra-bansho said:
That's highly improbable. The system has only sold-through around 5.2M in the US and Japan combined. The rate of sales also don't necessitate high amounts in the channel.

I just cannot see how it's plausible for that much to be sold in other territories.
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Well look how it's performing now. It sold sub-50k last quarter in the US and sub-200k in Japan and yet look at their shipments, clearly someone is buying it. You have to remember that Sony has a lot of distribution channels we have no way of analyzing so the standard way we just look at the regions we consistently get reliable numbers for doesn't always work.

As for sales, the last firm quote from them I'm aware of is 2.2 million by the end of June 2012. Since then the combined figure has ranked up 11 million sales, meaning if you set the PSP sales to zero the theoretical maximum for Vita would be 13.2 million. If you set PSP sales since then to 3.2 million over the past 2 1/4 years that gives us the Vita total being 7.8 million over the same stretch of time and 10 million sales overall on the dot, which seems plausible to me.
 
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shinra-bansho

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Mass_Pincup said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEFpSYZAoRo

It's stated that the cumulative sales of the PS3 PS4 and PSVITA was 100 millions.
With this I think we can extrapolate that the Vita was around 7-8 millions as of july.
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Thanks. That sounds more realistic.

PS3 sales through the June quarter would have been at an absolute minimum 81.5M through the June quarter. (80M through beginning of November + 0.7M FY14Q4 + 0.8M FY15Q1)
PS4 sales were 10.2M. Combined that makes for 91.7M minimum. I would assume an additional million shipped in FY14Q3 isn't improbable. Which would leave about 7.3M to make up to over 100M.

So yes, I'd agree somewhere around 7-8M through July is a good estimate. And given the last quarter, I'd probably put it between 8-8.5M now.
 
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DieH@rd

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Markitron said:
If it gets to 20 million by January 1st will that be some kind of record?
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Wii was at 20.13 million by the end of it's 5th quarter, managing to sell 6.96M during holiday 2007 quarter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii_sales

To surpass that, Sony would have to ship over 6.63M PS4 consoles in this quarter. It is possible... but unlikely. Wii was so much cheaper, easier to manufacture, plus it had SMGalaxy as a big sales driver.
 
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Markitron

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DieH@rd said:
Wii was at 20.13 million by the end of it's 5th quarter, managing to sell 6.96M during holiday 2007 quarter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii_sales

To surpass that, Sony would have to ship over 6.63M PS4 consoles in this quarter. It is possible... but unlikely.
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Considering that the PS4 is $150 more expensive. getting anywhere near that would be some achievement.
 
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airmangataosenai

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DieH@rd said:
Wii was at 20.13 million by the end of it's 5th quarter, managing to sell 6.96M during holiday 2007 quarter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii_sales

To surpass that, Sony would have to ship over 6.63M PS4 consoles in this quarter. It is possible... but unlikely. Wii was so much cheaper, easier to manufacture, plus it had SMGalaxy as a big sales driver.
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I just don't get why people have such a hard time imagining this. 6.6 million is hardly an impressive number for a holiday period. If people were predicting 7-8 million I could see the doubts but pessimism has led to unrealistically low expectations here. At minimum it will be over 6 million.
 
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Kysen

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Japan will come around next year further increasing the ww gap. PS3 is looking more and more like it's done. Doubt it will even reach ps1 numbers.
 
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Loris146

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DieH@rd said:
Wii was at 20.13 million by the end of it's 5th quarter, managing to sell 6.96M during holiday 2007 quarter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii_sales

To surpass that, Sony would have to ship over 6.63M PS4 consoles in this quarter. It is possible... but unlikely. Wii was so much cheaper, easier to manufacture, plus it had SMGalaxy as a big sales driver.
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Well Sony shipped 4,90 ML PS3 in Q3 2007 and 4.40 in Q3 2008 so we 'll see.

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/07q3_sony.pdf
 
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IAmRandom31

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DieH@rd said:
Wii was at 20.13 million by the end of it's 5th quarter, managing to sell 6.96M during holiday 2007 quarter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii_sales

To surpass that, Sony would have to ship over 6.63M PS4 consoles in this quarter. It is possible... but unlikely. Wii was so much cheaper, easier to manufacture, plus it had SMGalaxy as a big sales driver.
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thats the crazy thing to me. This thing is 150$ more then the Wii was.
 
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shinra-bansho

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NB The PSP was still alive, or at least as alive as Vita, in the European market and still kicking in the Japanese markets for much of 2013. It outsold the Vita in 2012 from memory in these markets.

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/131031/img/03l.jpg
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/131031/img/04l.jpg

So setting aside the 1.9M it's sold in the US, where the PSP has been effectively dead throughout the PSV's lifetime, it's likely inaccurate to assign only a trivial proportion of combined sales to the PSP at least through September 2013. From those figures above, in the first 9 months of 2013, the PSP was selling at something like 45% of combined PSP/PSV sales in US/EU/JP.
allan-bh said:
Vita remains ahead of Wii U. Interesting.
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Well, it did release like a year-to-six months earlier, depending upon the territory.
 
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KillerMan91

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Loris146 said:
Well Sony shipped 4,90 ML PS3 in Q3 2007 and 4.40 in Q3 2008 so we 'll see.

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/07q3_sony.pdf
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They also shipped 6.5 million PS3s in Q3s during peak years of PS3. PS4 is currently selling more than PS3 ever did and it's market leader. I eat my hat if Sony ships less than 7 million PS4s during this Q3. A lot of people underestimate the importance of holiday season when it comes to total sales of the year in this thread.
 
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Loris146

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KillerMan91 said:
They also shipped 6.5 million PS3s in Q3s during peak years of PS3. PS4 is currently selling more than PS3 ever did and it's market leader. I eat my hat if Sony ships less than 7 million PS4s during this Q3. A lot of people underestimate the importance of holiday season when it comes to total sales of the year in this thread.
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Exactly.
 
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Markitron

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KillerMan91 said:
They also shipped 6.5 million PS3s in Q3s during peak years of PS3. PS4 is currently selling more than PS3 ever did and it's market leader. I eat my hat if Sony ships less than 7 million PS4s during this Q3. A lot of people underestimate the importance of holiday season when it comes to total sales of the year in this thread.
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The GTA bundle alone is going to do crazy numbers
 
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Canis lupus

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wapplew said:
A slim PS4 for $299 plus a $499 with project morpheus sku at 2016, launch with No man sky and Summer lesson.

Profit.
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499 would be a lot in 2016. If PS4 were to follow price cut patterns of previous consoles like PS3, they will do a 100 dollar/euro price cut in its 2nd year (2015). A year later in 2016 they will likely introduce the Slim version, but wouldn't they pair it with a price reduction like they did with PS3 Slim? I reckon so, especially if Xbone is sub 200 at that point. So I think in 2016:
PS4 Slim 249
Morpheus alone 179/199
PS4 Slim+Morpheus 399

Would make sense to take a small hit on the bundle.
 
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TMaakkonen

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So if I counted right, PSP + PSV total shipments are 88.85 m. Since the most confirmed data for PSP is 76.3 m, this means PSV is at the highest shipped at 12.55 m buuuuuuuuuuuuuuut that is simply not possible because PSP has gotten shipments to this date. So its a guessing game where both PSP and PSV stand.

If PSP 79 m -> PSV 9.85 m

If PSP 80 m -> PSV 8.85 m

If PSP 81 m -> PSV 7.85 m

Any suggestions for possible PSP sales?
 
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FDC1

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TMaakkonen said:
So if I counted right, PSP + PSV total shipments are 88.85 m. Since the most confirmed data for PSP is 76.3 m, this means PSV is at the highest shipped at 12.55 m buuuuuuuuuuuuuuut that is simply not possible because PSP has gotten shipments to this date. So its a guessing game where both PSP and PSV stand.

If PSP 79 m -> PSV 9.85 m

If PSP 80 m -> PSV 8.85 m

If PSP 81 m -> PSV 7.85 m

Any suggestions for possible PSP sales?
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PSP is slightly over 80M I think
 
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Canis lupus

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Another reason to consider PS4 breaking 20M this year: consoles get like 40-50% of their yearly sales in the last 3 months. If PS4 sold 9-9.5M this year until that last quarter, there's at least gonna be 7M sales in the holidays.
 
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1st Course

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PS4 seems like the only current gen console doing well in PAL region, shipping like 2M there per quarter. For comparison Wii U shipped 150k only there last quarter. No idea about XB1 but shouldn't be much.

PAL market gonna contract big time this gen. Last gen we had the Wii, 360 and the PS3 all selling 40m+ in PAL region, this time it seems like PS4 will be the only system to sell that much this gen.
 
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KillerMan91

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1st Course said:
PS4 seems like the only current gen console doing well in PAL region, shipping like 2M there per quarter. For comparison Wii U shipped 150k only there last quarter. No idea about XB1 but shouldn't be much.

PAL market gonna contract big time this gen. Last gen we had the Wii, 360 and the PS3 all selling 40m+ in PAL region, this time it seems like PS4 will be the only system to sell that much this gen.
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Yeah. It looks like that in terms of sales we are going back to PS2 like era in PAL. One overly dominant console and others fightning for scraps.
 
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EGM1966

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Xando said:
I think the biggest problem MS has is europe.

They probably wouldn't have won it this gen but they could have been in a far better position than they are now.
Since the reveal they have basically ignored europe (Almost no ads and the only offers we get are retailer bundles because they don't sell meanwhile Sony is running new ads every 2-3 weeks and almost everytime we get a offer PS4 goes out of stock in my local Media Markt).
MS gained a lot of ground with the 360 (atleast here in germany) but it all got destroyed with the reveal and how they reacted to kinect( i think a week before the reveal snowden revealed that MS shares a lot of data with the NSA).
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They are caught in a bit of a Catch 22 right now. Basic business 101 would be to focus on a "back to basics" looking at what worked with 360. That means focus on US and UK over everything else and get the core IP that fans come back for out. I'd say it's obvious this is what MS is doing. It does mean that they're making it even easier for Sony to run away with Europe in the meantime.

They've tried countering that with a pure money play - endless bundles/free games and discounts - but it's clearly doing little to stem the PS4 momentum in Europe and even UK where according to recent release (Chart Track I think) PS4 has remained ahead by 1.5 to 1 pretty much since launch with spikes up to 2 to 1 and above when big games hit.

Basically most everything is going Sony's way with PS4 and MS is mostly having to fight hard and spend money just to stay on pace for a solid second place.

Mind you outside PS4 Sony clearly have plenty of issues elsewhere to fix in the overall business.
 
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shinra-bansho

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1st Course said:
PS4 seems like the only current gen console doing well in PAL region, shipping like 2M there per quarter. For comparison Wii U shipped 150k only there last quarter. No idea about XB1 but shouldn't be much.

PAL market gonna contract big time this gen. Last gen we had the Wii, 360 and the PS3 all selling 40m+ in PAL region, this time it seems like PS4 will be the only system to sell that much this gen.
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I think aside from the UK, the European territories are typically slower to adopt.

Also, the XBO has to be shipping systems somewhere other than the US as it's cumulative sales there are only 3.5M, and it sure as hell isn't Japan, so I can only assume it's to Europe/Other.
ricelord said:
so i'm guessing that they at least sold 14m to customers by now?
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Shipments will exceed sell-through for the relevant period, which ended on September 30th.

There's pretty much no way to use this number to accurately infer what the PS4 has sold-through to date.
 
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