lonedigitalwolf
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So happy for them, kudos Sony.
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Sony FY14 Q2: 3.3M PS4, 0.8M PS3, 0.7M PSV/TV shipped
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Yea. The only games that are going to go with single platforms are niche games.
I agree. I think that the only Japanese 3rd party games that Xbox One will get are big budget titles, like Final Fantasy XV, Final Fantasy Type-0 HD, Kingdom Hearts III, Tekken 7, & Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain.
Everything else from Japanese 3rd party publishers such as the Tales of series, anything from Arc System Works, etc., are gonna be PS4 exclusive by default.
Not a chance that you will be able to buy a new PS4 for $99 in 2018. You can't even buy a new PS3 today at that price and here we are nearly 7+ years post launch.
You should take a look into the PAL charts thread, wouldn't be so sure about this then.
I'm speaking more of a situation where publishers decide it's not financially feasible to put out a Xbone version alongside a PS4 version. Obviously, with the way the Xbone is selling right now, this type of situation has no chance of happening, but it is a possibility.
The PS4 can actually be made to be cheaper though. The Cell in the PS3 kills the systems ability to reduce manufacturing costs.
Still, the biggest problem for these systems getting down to $99 is going to hard drives.
That's already happening in Japan isn't it? Pubs'll probably only release a UK sku if the bone keeps selling this badly in EU.
They'll likely start using flash drives later in the cycle, like they did for PS3.
Jarod McChicken
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Sorry if this was already discussed, but, other than the hardware numbers, there is something quite incredible with the software numbers. Unless there is something I understand wrong in those fiscal documents.
Sony announced 106 millions software sold on PS platforms for july-september, so 3 months.
Nintendo, if we refer to this document, sold 33.8 millions software... and that's for april-september, so 6 months.
I think this is even more significant than the difference in hardware numbers. Of course, not having any big third party support for Wii U doesn't help Nintendo's case, and Microsoft never reveal its software numbers.
Sony announced 106 millions software sold on PS platforms for july-september, so 3 months.
Nintendo, if we refer to this document, sold 33.8 millions software... and that's for april-september, so 6 months.
I think this is even more significant than the difference in hardware numbers. Of course, not having any big third party support for Wii U doesn't help Nintendo's case, and Microsoft never reveal its software numbers.
Hopefully by then larger flash drives are more reasonably priced.
lonedigitalwolf
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I just hope that Sony does a temporary price cut for the holiday season just to keep MS away from taking the top spot in Nov-Dec, it'd be glorious if the PS4 outsold the XBO all year long (to me at least).
Edit: I see it now. Sony's numbers are pretty impressive.
lonedigitalwolf
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Sounds glorious.
You're right. Every single person that bought a PlayStation 4 so far is a "hardcore" gamer because advertising and society in general don't make people just head out and buy the latest thing because it is the latest thing or the most popular/"coolest" thing.
Or wait...hang on...they do.
Jarod McChicken
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Yes, that's quite a pain to read, so this is how I get it (last page of the document)
3DS software is 2,330 which means 23.3 millions here
Wii software is 618 which means 6.1 millions
Wii U software is 940, so 9.4 millions
As I'm not especially good with maths, I wondered if everyone else is getting the same results ?
Dragonborn
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Because the stuff inside the PS3 is too expensive, hence it'll never get that cheap. Sony designed the PS4 specifically with fast price cuts and adaptability in mind.
Why? Would your PS4 run faster or have better games available for it right now if Sony outsells Microsoft for an entire year? If it was me, I'd rather they lost a couple of months so they had to stay on their toes and provide decent features, deals, and exclusives in order to stay ahead.
Not trying to be rude, really I'm not. I just don't understand why people root for one multi-national corporation over another multi-national corporation (neither of which care about their customers any more than as a way of making money) as if they're sports teams. The logic just goes over my head.
I understand all that but I just don't see it. Especially, if the console continues to sell at the current pace. They'll have little incentive to drop the price.
lonedigitalwolf
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Sony took (mostly) all the right decisions with the PS4, MS... well i cannot say the same for them. Sony deserves the success but IMHO MS does not (regardless of their countless 180's).
Yeah the software sales are great. Its always funny to see that they sell so much because most people focus on nintendos big sellers or just npd where x360 dominated but ps3 and ps4 continue to sell the most software over all.
Sony has a record of making games which appeal more to me, so I'll happily admit that I want the platform and those games to succeed. Sony has also tended to make more gamer-friendly choices this gen and I like to see those rewarded. It does send a message.
That's not to say I'll care much if MS surges back of course, as it's unlikely to have a huge effect on the types of games coming to Sony's platforms.
I agree. It's a good thing for MS to be behind, because it'll be more harder & more expensive to acquire 3rd party exclusives & timed-exclusive DLC.
We all saw what happened when Microsoft was on top with Xbox 360. They started forgetting about the core fans ever since E3 2010 by focusing constantly on Kinect & Media as well as only bringing out Halo, Gears, Forza (& sometimes Fable) as exclusives since that time.
Yep, 360 had a lot going for it before then but once it achieved a certain level of ubiquity MS just stopped making original games. Meanwhile PS3 had extremely strong years at the end there.
This early in the gen, any arrogance Sony might have has not had time to materialize - this season's lineup was determined far in advance and is not an indication of Sony's confidence. Just the way things worked out. With 2015 looking fantastic, I think Sony has learned not to be too full of themselves.
This is a prediction I made at the end of January 2014 after we got shipment figures for Q4 CY2013. I predicted the quarterly sales of both the Xbox One and the PS4 and estimated that the PS4 would end the year on 18 million shipped and Xbox on 11.7 million shipped.
We didn't have PS4 shipment figures for a long time, but now that we do I've included a comparison of my estimates along with the actual results. Seems I was spot on for Q1 but Q2 and 3 I slightly underestimated how well PS4 would sell. Even in Q4 I put an estimate of 5.2m but I'm inclined to raise that slightly to 5.5m now. All in all I believe that my PS4 prediction has been a good one but I'm sure the PS4 will end 2014 with almost 19 million shipped worldwide, maybe even more.
My Xbox prediction has surprisingly been quite high. Whilst my predictions show that the Xbox One wasn't going to do well compared to the PS4, I never expected it to be this bad. Sure I've had to estimate shipped figures for Q2/3 but we should have under ~7.5m shipped by September 31st whilst I estimate 8 million. I still think we'll see over 3.5m Xbox One's shipped in Q4 but it's going to struggle to get significantly over 11 million.
All in all my predictions are fairly close to the actual sell in of both the PS4 and X1. However, now that we are 3 quarters in to the year I'd say the PS4 will sell in ~19 million worldwide by the end of the year and the Xbox One will sell in ~11.2m worldwide by the end of the year.
We didn't have PS4 shipment figures for a long time, but now that we do I've included a comparison of my estimates along with the actual results. Seems I was spot on for Q1 but Q2 and 3 I slightly underestimated how well PS4 would sell. Even in Q4 I put an estimate of 5.2m but I'm inclined to raise that slightly to 5.5m now. All in all I believe that my PS4 prediction has been a good one but I'm sure the PS4 will end 2014 with almost 19 million shipped worldwide, maybe even more.
My Xbox prediction has surprisingly been quite high. Whilst my predictions show that the Xbox One wasn't going to do well compared to the PS4, I never expected it to be this bad. Sure I've had to estimate shipped figures for Q2/3 but we should have under ~7.5m shipped by September 31st whilst I estimate 8 million. I still think we'll see over 3.5m Xbox One's shipped in Q4 but it's going to struggle to get significantly over 11 million.
All in all my predictions are fairly close to the actual sell in of both the PS4 and X1. However, now that we are 3 quarters in to the year I'd say the PS4 will sell in ~19 million worldwide by the end of the year and the Xbox One will sell in ~11.2m worldwide by the end of the year.
Absolutely. Ps2 gen was amazing. Count me in.
TheStruggler
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gtav ps4 bundle edition is going to sell it self however if sony wants bigger numbers they need to counter MS deal with something along the same lines for the holiday season
lonedigitalwolf
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Sony, please fire back.
And_Gignac
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How much money the gaming division (or the division the ps4 belongs to) made?
What GTAV PS4 bundle? I don't see it on any NA websites.
Cow Goes Moo
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I was expecting an announcement of a gtav bundle to coincide with these updated hardware numbers, but i guess they aren't ready for that yet or ever...
for NA of course
for NA of course
shadowsdarknes
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Other than wiping out all of the retained earnings of SCE, you're right lol.
Omnistalgic
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People want that PS2.0 back man...or at least the closest thing to it. I know I do.
PS4/X1 are so similar as well, there's no reason for both of them to exist, and when MS struggles to gain back market share, stuff like Tomb Raider happens. I definitely wouldn't mind for another PS2 like bar graph to happen next year. But Sony will have to win back Japan and at least do PS3 numbers over there.
Why are people forgetting this?
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...uDZhAh8VIy2QYsgxw&sig2=0nuZ5gnTOtgG6cM9m1wHVA
This was announced on July 10th.
10 million wasn't announced until august http://blog.us.playstation.com/2014/08/12/ps4-10-million-and-going-strong/
Ps3 should be anywhere from 86m to 87m
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...uDZhAh8VIy2QYsgxw&sig2=0nuZ5gnTOtgG6cM9m1wHVA
This was announced on July 10th.
10 million wasn't announced until august http://blog.us.playstation.com/2014/08/12/ps4-10-million-and-going-strong/
Ps3 should be anywhere from 86m to 87m
KillerMan91
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Oh. I see. Well without any unexpected costs it's hard too see why they would have bad holiday season. They used to make pretty optimistic forecasts in the past though (like with that first Vita hw forecast lol) so maybe they are extra careful nowadays.
SwiftDeath
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It might, are you an engineer?
Nope, but it's still early to announce it if it involves some kind of promotion planned for a couple of weeks (GTAV launch week and the successive Black Friday week).
- restructuring expenses that will be included only in the second half of the fiscal year
- depreciation
- disposal of unprofitable assets
- foreign exchange rate
- more competitive landscape due to promotional activities by competitors in the holiday season in markets such as US and Australia.
- network services will have an estimated negative impact of 12 billion yen
- costs related to the launch of their cloud TV service in the US
Those are the reasons they gave for the conservative forecast in G&NS.
Sony announced 106 billion yen in software sales (~1 billion us dollars). They stopped showing software units last year.
Nintendo equivalent number for the quarter is 51 billion yen.
Hexa
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But... that's exactly what all major well funded sports teams are as well...
SwiftDeath
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As per how many PS4's Sony will be able to ship in FY14Q3 [Oct-Dec], any estimate less than 6.5M suggests the holiday quarter will be worse for PS4 relative to the previous 3 calendar quarter than any such comparison for PS3 in its entire life.
Thus with PS4 WW shipments from FY13Q4 - FY14Q2 equal to 9M units
So I would be shocked if Sony were unable to ship at least 6.5M although I suppose my relative comparison could be flawed, maybe Q2 shipments were unusually large due to Destiny but as it stands it strongly looks like the PS4 will ship 20M+ LTD by the end of FY14Q3, probably even a bit more than that if this comparison holds true.
Code:
PS3 WW Shipments
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| FYQ1 | FYQ2 | FYQ3 | FYQ4 | | |
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Year | Ap-Jn | Jl-Sp | Oc-Dc | Ja-Mr | FY | LTD |
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FY06 | N/A | N/A | 1.7 | 1.8 | 3.5 | 3.5 |
FY07 | 0.7 | 1.3 | 4.9 | 2.2 | 9.1 | 12.6 |
FY08 | 1.6 | 2.4 | 4.5 | 1.6 | 10.1 | 22.7 |
FY09 | 1.1 | 3.2 | 6.5 | 2.2 | 13.0 | 35.7 |
FY10 | 2.4 | 3.5 | 6.3 | 2.1 | 14.3 | 50.0 |
FY11 | 1.8 | 3.7 | 6.5 | 1.9 | 13.9 | 63.9 |
FY12 | PS2 + PS3 FY Total = 16.5M |
FY13 | 1.1 | 2.0 | 3.3 | 0.7 | 7.1 | |
FY14 | 0.8 | 0.8 | | | 1.6 | |
Code:
Year | FYQ3 Sales as % of FYQ4-FYQ2 Sales |
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FY06 | N/A |
FY07 | 129% |
FY08 | 73% | <- Worst PS3 Holiday Quarter relative to preceding 3 quarters
FY09 | 110% |
FY10 | 78% |
FY11 | 86% |
FY13 | 106% |
AVG | 97% |Thus with PS4 WW shipments from FY13Q4 - FY14Q2 equal to 9M units
Code:
|If Q3 shipments are _ of Q4-Q2 | Then Q3 shipments are |
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| 73% | 6.57M |
| 78% | 7.02M |
| 86% | 7.74M |
| 97% | 8.73M |
| 106% | 9.54M |
| 110% | 9.90M |
| 129% | 11.61M |So I would be shocked if Sony were unable to ship at least 6.5M although I suppose my relative comparison could be flawed, maybe Q2 shipments were unusually large due to Destiny but as it stands it strongly looks like the PS4 will ship 20M+ LTD by the end of FY14Q3, probably even a bit more than that if this comparison holds true.
Canis lupus
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Yep, I start to think my 20M prediction might even be pessimistic. No way it's gonna sell less than PS3 at its prime. If consoles have ~50% of their yearly sales in the last Q and PS4 has sold 9-9.5M so far, that's gonna be like 8M at worst.
TheStruggler
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I read there was a bundle i thought was for NA however I would not be surprised if they didnt have one they had one for the ps3 if not mistaken, also if one isnt available in NA can always import one, its still going to be a system seller.
theprodigy
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you don't even know how poorly the original Xbox did over there, do you....
anyway 20M PS4s shipped by the end of the year should be a certainty unless it somehow tanks over the holidays
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