Opinions, pal. I for one immensely enjoy the stories and character development in that series.
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Developers that constantly feature bad writing in their games.
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Opinions, pal. I for one immensely enjoy the stories and character development in that series.
makingmusic476
Member
Nobody's mentioned Guerrilla Games?
I love the Killzone universe, but I think the narrative is where each game really falls apart.
They repeatedly fail to capitalize on one of the better things the series has going for it.
I love the Killzone universe, but I think the narrative is where each game really falls apart.
They repeatedly fail to capitalize on one of the better things the series has going for it.
SirMossyBloke
Member
Oh I can tell...
David cage is astoundingly consistent in disappointing me with his writing and storytelling.
Capcom's RE teams are really good at hitting the low, low bar they've set since the first one.
Bethesda in their open world games.
Crystal Dynamics and their Tomb Raider entries.
DICE
Guerrilla Games
Sucker punch
Many many more to mention.
Capcom's RE teams are really good at hitting the low, low bar they've set since the first one.
Bethesda in their open world games.
Crystal Dynamics and their Tomb Raider entries.
DICE
Guerrilla Games
Sucker punch
Many many more to mention.
Good.
akachan ningen
Member
All the developers of cask of duty. Even when IW were at their peak, they were still writing shit.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
BF3 and 4 were so bad...ugggghhh, no more silent protagonists please, if you give our character a name and the majority of dialogue involves characters looking straight at him then make him talk.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
I actually thought BC1 and BC2 had fun, if not dopey, stories. But their other stuff is indeed pretty terrible. BF3 and BF4 were borderline offensive they were so bad.
Preston Marlowe wasn't silent in BC1 and BC2 was he? I don't remember him being so. Why'd they switch to a silent protag?
threelights
Member
MGS is easily one of the best written games out there.
A complex story is not a bad one, people should learn to differentiate.
And this should be the first post. God damn, this man.
A complex story is not a bad one, people should learn to differentiate.
And this should be the first post. God damn, this man.
Gunslinger
Member
Bungie. Destiny is terrible in storytelling front. Halo is not very good either IMO.
makingmusic476
Member
Oh, oh. Toriyama's Final Fantasies.
They could at least try and make the plots a bit less insanely stupid, I would appreciate that. Could not roll my eyes hard enough at the French guy trying to blow up the world for (i don't even know) reasons in Pokemon X, whatever dude, let's pitch our pokemons against each other already, I have a Steelix!
I really enjoy the flavour text in Pokemon though, I like going into houses to hear other trainers talk about their favourite items and so on. So there's that.
Rabbit Lord
Member
Blizzard is the worst. They have all the time and money and their games plots/story is always the worst garbage.
Intheflorsh
Banned
Bioware and Bethesda I agree, but Blizzard? I've only played the Diablo series and some WoW, but I typically found most of the characters to be nothing more than personality-lite exposition machines.
SirMossyBloke
Member
Being complex doesn't mean its good. Also, people enjoying a bad story isn't a bad thing either. It doesn't stop it being a bad story though.
Snaaaaaakkkkeeeee.
Gentleman Jack
Member
nanomachines?
Palculator
Unconfirmed Member
I would agree that Kojima could use a better editor, but the series has been around for over 25 years and has been developing and expanding its world centered around basically 2 characters since then, all supervised by Kojima. He's therefore the closest thing we have to an auteur and the franchise can't be ignored when evaluating the progress of video game narratives, even more so considering the financial success the games enjoy.
But I guess the witty one-line drive-by response you'll respond with will invalidate these points.
foolishoptimist
Member
Surely it's quicker/easier to list the devs who actually bother to have good writing. I'm sure it's a much shorter list.
Tidus_Great
Banned
Gears of War series. every bit of dialogue is laughable and it's even more laughable when they tried to do a serious scene in gears of war 2 and expected people to care about one dimensional meathead characters.
and i would say Killzone as well except scolar visaris speeches are well written.
and i would say Killzone as well except scolar visaris speeches are well written.
Corpsepyre
Banned
Exactly my thoughts. MGS2 had an excellent plot with some very relevant themes throughout.
The word you are looking for is convoluted -- not complex. Thinking MGS is well-written while having issues with David Cage is untenable.
Haha.
I don't understand the Bioware comments here. At it's core Mass Effect 3 and DA:O are the same plot. Big bad shows up, get folks to help kill it. Say what you will about that but those main party members and quests are well done. Id like to see the reverse topic. "Developers that constantly have great writing." I still think Uncharted 3's story was a joke.
Note: I say this as someone who loves Metal Gear and all it's convolutions.
The complexity isn't what makes the writing terrible; it's the excess of pointless, well everything, which I will say is part of the charm these days, but it's still bad. When you write something, you want to convene the point as quickly and as precisely as possible. Watch nearly any Metal Gear cutscene and try and say it does that with a straight face.
Jeffolation
Banned
rockstar
SirMossyBloke
Member
Your failed sarcasm hasn't helped you put your point across, neither has the fact that only one of my responses was a one liner.
However if you think people have been playing the MGS line of games for all these years for the plot, I have some bad news for you. Its the great gameplay that keeps people coming back.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
What....in the world...did I just watch? ._.
Tidus_Great
Banned
MGS2 was an amazing story. Alot of people just dont understand it and wanted to play as snake so they said it sucked when in reality it's easily the best story of MGS series and one of theb est stories out there. The themes like propoganda and half truths were even seen in the advertising for the game when kojima tricked people into thinking they were playing as snake in the game by using only the tanker mission. He showed first hand how someone can use a half truth to construct something that you feed to the general public. personally I found the marketing and final game amazing and very thought provoking.
InfiniteCombo
Banned
Nice. Saw threat title with the word "bad" in it, did a Ctrl+F on "Ubi", not leaving disappointed. The Ubi hate train continues onward, full steam...
I can only speak for the Assassin's Creed games, as I haven't gotten involved with other Ubisoft story-oriented IPs. I also haven't played Unity, but up until, say, Assassin's Creed IV, their stories were engaging at best, serviceable on the average, and bland (as opposed to just straight up bad) at worst. In my mind, there's a big difference between bland and bad. Actually, as much as people complain about the modern day sections, I thought they were a decent narrative framework, up until AC III, where it just lost some of its mojo, and then AC IV, where it can largely be ignored.
I thought that up to Assassin's Creed III, they did a decent job of mixing a fictional character's story, with that of historical figures.
I can only speak for the Assassin's Creed games, as I haven't gotten involved with other Ubisoft story-oriented IPs. I also haven't played Unity, but up until, say, Assassin's Creed IV, their stories were engaging at best, serviceable on the average, and bland (as opposed to just straight up bad) at worst. In my mind, there's a big difference between bland and bad. Actually, as much as people complain about the modern day sections, I thought they were a decent narrative framework, up until AC III, where it just lost some of its mojo, and then AC IV, where it can largely be ignored.
I thought that up to Assassin's Creed III, they did a decent job of mixing a fictional character's story, with that of historical figures.
so you got your finger, on the pussy trigger
Palculator
Unconfirmed Member
So you would expect a game that was just VR missions to be equally successful as a regular entry into the Metal Gear Saga? Why is Kojima constantly pressured into continuing the story by the very fans that enjoy it? They even sent him death threats for stopping at MGS2.
By no means am I saying the gameplay is irrelevant in Metal Gear games and the focus is on the story, but saying the story is irrelevant is simply not true.
Seriously, I don't even know why all of the developers mentioned even bother spending time, resources, money, and effort on putting their shitty plot and storytelling into their games. It's a complete waste for everyone involved, both players and developers.
If you're going to hire voice actors, get expensive motion capture, have advanced graphical technology present it, and use a lot of marketing on it, at the very fucking least get someone on board from the get-go and someone who isn't the 21-year old temporary unpaid intern to pen your script.
If you're going to hire voice actors, get expensive motion capture, have advanced graphical technology present it, and use a lot of marketing on it, at the very fucking least get someone on board from the get-go and someone who isn't the 21-year old temporary unpaid intern to pen your script.
They're great at lore and world-building.
silvermember
Banned
Or you just go bad taste.
LegendofDragoonLives
Member
The Guerrilla Games topic. It's mindblowing that they haven't replaced their shite writers for Killzone at this point.
And you opinion is bad.
Corpsepyre
Banned
Yes, I don't see how one can just ignore the plot in MGS games. The game wouldn't be where it is if they left the plot to the side, in my opinion. I give a shit about Snake and that's because Kojima's done a fine job with the character all these years.
IAmRandom31
Banned
Any Capcom game really. Okami wasn't bad though but most games are just horribly written
BiGBoSSMk23
A company being excited for their new game is a huge slap in the face to all the fans that liked their old games.
Cane to post this.
You wouldn't think you could make space Nazis boring and dull, but you can, apparently. And the back story is surprisingly well conceived and fleshed out. Like, sci fi epic levels of potential squandared there.
Fbh
Member
Quantic Dream, which is a shame as I like the idea of their games but it doesn't really work without good writing.
Square Enix: Specially if Nomura is involved (I'm talking about their internal Japan made games. Some of their western titles like Deus Ex good writing)
Ubisoft: Most of their games have bad writing, including assassins creed
Platinum Games: Probably my favorite developer, but yeah they are not great at writing. It only sort of worked with the Wonderful 101 because it felt like it was ment to be overly cheesy and corny.
Bungie: The trailer is like "this is so serious and deep"... then you get the game and it's like "G.I. Joe in space"
Blizzard: Thankfully they are aware about it and their games focus more on gameplay
DICE: Though it's as if they tried
To be honest. It would be easier to list the few developers that have good writers
Square Enix: Specially if Nomura is involved (I'm talking about their internal Japan made games. Some of their western titles like Deus Ex good writing)
Ubisoft: Most of their games have bad writing, including assassins creed
Platinum Games: Probably my favorite developer, but yeah they are not great at writing. It only sort of worked with the Wonderful 101 because it felt like it was ment to be overly cheesy and corny.
Bungie: The trailer is like "this is so serious and deep"... then you get the game and it's like "G.I. Joe in space"
Blizzard: Thankfully they are aware about it and their games focus more on gameplay
DICE: Though it's as if they tried
To be honest. It would be easier to list the few developers that have good writers
FutureZombie
Banned
I knew a lot of people would say Bioware. They get a lot of undeserved hate.
Bioware games have great writing, actually. The Mass Effect trilogy has incredible writing. They is so much detail in the universe of that game. The story of the Protheans in especially well written. Bioware does party members really well, too. Hell, the Mass Effect games make you have real feelings for aliens and robots.
Bioware games have great writing, actually. The Mass Effect trilogy has incredible writing. They is so much detail in the universe of that game. The story of the Protheans in especially well written. Bioware does party members really well, too. Hell, the Mass Effect games make you have real feelings for aliens and robots.