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[JackDT]

So much victory, GG is many win.

It's almost as if people have judged Kotaku by the quality of their enemies and decided they were worth a second look...

I'll vouch for that. I used to think of Kotaku as a real low tier trashy gaming site -- mostly from the association with Gawker. During GamerGate I ended up reading a bunch of stuff there and while they do still have stuff that makes me roll my eyes, and a lot of their content is basically links to other people's content, there's plenty of good original stuff too.

 

[FyreWulff]

GamerGate sure is doing a great job destroying Gawker and Kotaku

That's what happens when you try to claim a small window of stats that happen around the yearly drop when everyone goes back to school as a victory while ignoring the rest

 

[Fantastapotamus]

I'll vouch for that. I used to think of Kotaku as a real low tier trashy gaming site -- mostly from the association with Gawker. During GamerGate I ended up reading a bunch of stuff there and while they do still have stuff that makes me roll my eyes, and a lot of their content is basically links to other people's content, there's plenty of good original stuff too.

Kotaku's biggest problem will always be that there is just so god damn much trash on the site. If somebody would make a filter to hide all the garbage Ashcroft puts out it would be a much more pleasant experience.

 

[Mesoian]

Pax Dickinson is now trying to actively court GG in his idiotic campaign to dig up dirt on "corrupt journalists", which is to say, "try to score points against the people who got me fired and which have meant I'm now unemployable".

Well, if his goal is that he actually is unemployable, he's done a great job proving it himself. "If someone doesn't keep me busy 100% of the time, I will burn my house down" is not a great selling point.

 

[Marcel]

I've taken Kotaku to task before. I'm not a friend of theirs. However, a reactionary, sociopathic hate mob made up of 4chan outcasts is significantly worse than a run-of-the-mill aggregator site that cynically uses dumb articles about snack foods and internet cafe crime to drive traffic.

 

[JDSN]

I have come to accept, and eventually like that this opportunistic non-gamers dickwards appear out of nowhere, take the money of gamers and bail out, their quest to defend their idiocy ends with empty wallets.

 

[zeldablue]

Nice to see GG having inverse influence on everything they do. Haha.

Your dedication is impressive -- although I avoid games from time to time due to poor portrayals of men or women, I'm not sure I could do it so thoroughly.

Whaaa...? If you step away from western games then it is very easy. I'm playing Bayonetta 2 right now and there is no mass slaughtering of men. Just...robot statue things and deities. I'm pretty firmly in the Nintendo gamer category though, so the only time I mass slaughter dudes is when I occasionally play Assassin's Creed and even then it is sometimes overbearing. I want to feel cool and kill things without feeling inhumane. :\

Kind of makes me wish the new Tomb Raider just had Lara stuck on an island with those scary Oni dudes. Then I probably would have bought/played the game.

 

[jstripes]

Nice to see GG having inverse influence on everything they do. Haha.

 

[mo60]

So the lack of self awareness here is just...wow
http://np.reddit.com/r/KotakuInActi...ristina_hoff_sommers_has_become_a_new/cmbn5jb

Okay, first the guy's proposal. Probably joking, but it's GG and KiA so you never know


Someone with common sense responds


And then this wonderful reply

If he's not joking that is just crazy.The people they call will not listen to them.

 

[VibratingDonkey]

Pax Dickinson is now trying to actively court GG in his idiotic campaign to dig up dirt on "corrupt journalists", which is to say, "try to score points against the people who got me fired and which have meant I'm now unemployable".

I remember that guy's silly name from some other stupid thing in the past. Probably that thing you mention of him getting fired for making sexist and racist comments on Twitter.
At least his IndieGoGo doesn't have flexible funding.

Kotaku's biggest problem will always be that there is just so god damn much trash on the site. If somebody would make a filter to hide all the garbage Ashcroft puts out it would be a much more pleasant experience.

Removes articles that aren't strictly about games, I believe: http://kotaku.com/tag/kotakucore
Only meatier articles: http://kotaku.com/tag/kotaku-longreads

 

[Morrigan Stark]

Pax Dickinson is now trying to actively court GG in his idiotic campaign to dig up dirt on "corrupt journalists", which is to say, "try to score points against the people who got me fired and which have meant I'm now unemployable".

Hahahahaha that's hilarious.

Fun fact: I briefly worked with this guy, back in 2009 or so before he became "famous" (we were employed by the same company with several months of overlap, but worked in different offices; he visited ours a few times). He was a rather mediocre developer who eventually got fired.

 

[Oersted]

Kotaku's biggest problem will always be that there is just so god damn much trash on the site. If somebody would make a filter to hide all the garbage Ashcroft puts out it would be a much more pleasant experience.

Where was the "ethics"-movement when Fahey wrote his article about Jade Raymond?

 

[Amir0x]

Nice to see GG having inverse influence on everything they do. Haha.

+ More exposure for Anita Sarkeesian, Brianna Wu, Zoe Quinn, all other manner of "SJWs"
+ Increased traffic for Kotaku, Gawker, other targets
+ New increased sensitivity about harassment which include new rules to fight it on Twitter thanks to it
+ New awareness about the emergent need for diversity in this industry including the promise by many devs to try harder on this front in the future.

Evidence: Is gamergate really a trojan horse for SJWs to promote their agenda? Stay tuned!

 

[NoblesseOblige]

Seems some of GG's heroes have began to grow quiet recently. However I did spot this gem of irony from TB yesterday:

Just a reminder that this came from the same guy who makes backhanded 'apologizes', such as "It is unfortunate that it upset some of you and I apologise that you were upset by it" when caught using a derogatory term for homosexuals.

 

[Amir0x]

Seems some of GG's heroes have began to grow quiet recently. However I did spot this gem of irony from TB yesterday:

Just a reminder that this came from the same guy who said "It is unfortunate that it upset some of you and I apologise that you were upset by it" after he was caught using a derogatory term for homosexuals.

huh, when did he do that? the derogatory term for homosexuals statement? I missed that shit. TB is such a joke

 

[NoblesseOblige]

huh, when did he do that? the derogatory term for homosexuals statement? I missed that shit. TB is such a joke

http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/lgmn1/what_actually_happened_in_that_charity_stream_chat/ This topic/post was made by TotalBiscuit in which he later deleted the account (probably in hopes it'd not follow him).

Below is the relevant part. I'd spoiler tag the derogatory remarks in if I knew how.

I'm not going to apologise for calling this guy a faggot. It nicely encapsulates what he was. I do not agree with the amount of offence this has supposedly caused, though how much of that is genuine and how much of it is "let's pile on the dramawagon" I don't know. It is unfortunate that it upset some of you and I apologise that you were upset by it.

Edit: Oh and he thinks these particular derogatory are 'amusing' ...

Such an empathetic, caring individual.

 

[SwissLion]

Well your point was literally everywhere, which you emphasized twice. I'm not sure it's worth getting into a debate about how common these spaces are, though I would probably agree it's a majority of spaces.

Let's see what I actually wrote:

When a women's shelter pops up, struggling along. And Men ask "Where's the men's shelter?" It's there. Where you're standing. And almost everywhere else.

And even if we want to ignore that qualifier and reference the other situations I didn't helpfully add qualifiers to the rest for the slight-hyperbole-blind, if your entire argument is going to be based around the same thinking that got us "97% Isn't literally all men! Anita Sarkeesian hates Men!" I don't have a lot of time for you.

You keep bringing up murder statistics and how this supposedly means the entire world is an unsafe place. But that 3ish times more likelihood of being murdered is still 3ish times a tiny fraction of the overall population.

Look at stats for sexual assault and domestic abuse and street harassment if you actually want something that indicates a more pressing and disturbingly common set of problems than men being murdered (by men and women!!!

Spoiler

but overwhelmingly men

) in the streets. Murder is bad, but it's still such a tiny, tiny number of people being affected by it each year, and even less in countries without bonkers gun laws.

 

[Cosmonaut X]

Edit: Oh and he thinks these particular derogatory are 'amusing' ...

Such an empathetic, caring individual.

Yes, in the UK "fag" is an entirely ordinary, everyday bit of slang, but anyone here with an ounce of awareness, respect for others and decency recognises that it has an equally-common alternative use in other countries that is grossly offensive and won't use it in that sense.

You don't get to call someone a "faggot" then play silly games about what it means in your country when it's abundantly clear what you meant saying it, any more than you get to use the word on an internet image board then run the "it's how I fit in in that community" defense.

 

[Amir0x]

http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/lgmn1/what_actually_happened_in_that_charity_stream_chat/ This topic/post was made by TotalBiscuit in which he later deleted the account (probably in hopes it'd not follow him).

Below is the relevant part. I'd spoiler tag the derogatory remarks in if I knew how.


Edit: Oh and he thinks these particular derogatory are 'amusing' ...

Such an empathetic, caring individual.

Wow. Absolutely incredible. Just like that other GAFer who had to leave the forum due to getting too emotionally entangled, the disingenuous comparison to the term 'fag' as used for cigarettes is just offensive. And incredibly moronic. Like, he didn't even stop to consider how dumb the thought is for even one second.

Dat IQ going to good use I see

 

[NoblesseOblige]

Get's even better. In TB's own words ...

So he admits the meaning behind words change and are time specific, yet he refuses to accept the hateful meaning that currently occupies certain words. It's alright for him to use them because they at one point meant something 'amusing'.

I realize this has gotten a bit off topic but TB's complete hypocrisy and total lack of empathy during GamerGate (and before it really) is something I'm really disgusted by because he has influence over a somewhat significant amount of followers.

 

[Dryk]

This is usually the point where I'd point out that this all happened 3 years ago and people probably shouldn't be dredging it up. But TB's only really changed in so far as he's become more obvious about how much of a jerk he is to the point where there is no longer a rock big enough to escape the truth under.

 

[Myggen]

Oh what the fuck TB...

 

[NoblesseOblige]

This is usually the point where I'd point out that this all happened 3 years ago and people probably shouldn't be dredging it up. But TB's only really changed in so far as he's become more obvious about how much of a jerk he is to the point where there is no longer a rock big enough to escape the truth under.

I'm of the opinion that once you hit about the mid 20s then "I said that years ago" can no longer be used to excuse insensitive/hateful remarks. I understand that someone in their teens or early 20s is going to say something stupid. They're still pretty fresh and inexperienced in 'the adult world'. However the age in which he made these particular comments he should have known better and matured beyond the usage of derogatory remarks. He's also never actually made a heartfelt apology for his words/actions, but instead apologizes that others are offended/confused by them. A habit he continues to this day.

 

[More_Badass]

http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/lgmn1/what_actually_happened_in_that_charity_stream_chat/ This topic/post was made by TotalBiscuit in which he later deleted the account (probably in hopes it'd not follow him).

Below is the relevant part. I'd spoiler tag the derogatory remarks in if I knew how.



Edit: Oh and he thinks these particular derogatory are 'amusing' ...

Such an empathetic, caring individual.

He should try that in real life, see how it works out for him

"No, I won't apologize for calling your sister a bitch. See, it also means a female dog. Haha, isn't that amusing!"

 

[Cosmonaut X]

He's also never actually made a heartfelt apology for his words/actions, but instead apologizes that others are offended/confused by them. A habit he continues to this day.

That's a classic non-apology apology. Not:

"I'm sorry for what I said/did..."

...but:

"I'm sorry that you were offended by what I said/did."

The former is recognising a mistake and owning it. The latter is trying to push responsibility ("I'm sorry that YOU...") on to the person who was wronged.

 

[jgminto]

He's always had the attitude of a smug teenager.

 

[Derphoof]

Clearly he was simply referring to the person in question as a cigarette and therefore cancerous to everything the person is involved with.

Clearly, he was not using a homosexual slur, kappa.

 

[Fantastapotamus]

Breaking: TB says something dumb, follows it up with something dumber.
More at 11.

 

[partyphone]

Breaking: TB says something dumb, follows it up with something dumber.
More at 11.

 

[parabolee]

Yes, in the UK "fag" is an entirely ordinary, everyday bit of slang, but anyone here with an ounce of awareness, respect for others and decency recognises that it has an equally-common alternative use in other countries that is grossly offensive and won't use it in that sense.

You don't get to call someone a "faggot" then play silly games about what it means in your country when it's abundantly clear what you meant saying it, any more than you get to use the word on an internet image board then run the "it's how I fit in in that community" defense.

While I can't comment on how aware TB was about how offensive that term is in the states, and I am certainly not someone who would ever defend the use of then term. And I agree that is is unlikely he was unaware of it to some degree.

However I can say that his ignorance to how offensive it was is plausible. When I was a kid (in England of course) me and my younger sister called each other that word ALL the time. I mean it was like our pet name for each other. My parents (a very liberal left leaning couple) never even thought to tell us not to.

We just thought of it as the name of a gross type of meat we both hated!

I have now lived in the USA for over 10 years and would never dream of using it to insult someone.

 

[wonderdung]

Are you guys bringing up 3 year old TB drama and then (intentionally?) clipping the dates out of pictures of tweets because you want to make it seem current or ...?

 

[MYeager]

I know there's nothing more interesting going on with GG, but I don't see the point of posting ever dumb thing TB says. At this point it feels like it could have it's own dedicated thread.

Hell GamerGate itself is wrapped up in so many other MRA related things or just topics about defending itself it barely feels like it's about video games anymore at all.

 

[plagiarize]

While I can't comment on how aware TB was about how offensive that term is in the states, and I am certainly not someone who would ever defend the use of then term. And I agree that is is unlikely he was unaware of it to some degree.

However I can say that his ignorance to how offensive it was is plausible. When I was a kid (in England of course) me and my younger sister called each other that word ALL the time. I mean it was like our pet name for each other. My parents (a very liberal left leaning couple) never even thought to tell us not to.

We just thought of it as the name of a gross type of meat we both hated!

I have now lived in the USA for over 10 years and would never dream of using it to insult someone.

He knew. At no point did he deny knowing.

He certainly wasn't calling someone a bundle of sticks.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Are you guys bringing up 3 year old TB drama and then (intentionally?) clipping the dates out of pictures of tweets because you want to make it seem current or ...?

There's a steady stream of current nonsense, so

 

[xaszatm]

Well, if his goal is that he actually is unemployable, he's done a great job proving it himself. "If someone doesn't keep me busy 100% of the time, I will burn my house down" is not a great selling point.

Now, now, the Pyro is a righteous man and genius businessman. There is no need to compare him to this idiot.

Still, I can't believe this still hasn't died.

 

[wonderdung]

There's a steady stream of current nonsense, so

That makes it seem less sensible to go dig up a tweet from over a year ago and clip the date off so people didn't know it was that old.

That is like GamerGate levels of tweet-mining. If there's a steady stream of current nonsense why discuss the 3 year old actions and year and a half old opinions of someone?

 

[More_Badass]

That makes it seem less sensible to go dig up a tweet from over a year ago and clip the date off so people didn't know it was that old.

That is like GamerGate levels of tweet-mining. If there's a steady stream of current nonsense why discuss the 3 year old actions and year and a half old opinions of someone?

It wasn't some unwarranted posting just to dig up dirt

The current tweet was him making a statement about apologies. So people posted statements he had made in the past about apologies.

 

[Nanashrew]

Honestly, between then and now, TB is still terrible at apologizing so one he made a year or more ago still feels the same as it does today.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

Hell GamerGate itself is wrapped up in so many other MRA related things or just topics about defending itself it barely feels like it's about video games anymore at all.

It was never, ever about video games.

 

[MYeager]

It was never, ever about video games.

Well yeah, but its not even trying to pretend anymore. Now it just seems more about defending a hashtag movement from perceived slights than really anything. For folks who get angry about what them SJWs and how they take offense to everything, they seemingly only exist anymore just to get offended at things.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

A musician I liked said he respects Mike Cernovich

He retweeted something from Cernovich about Ferguson of all things, so I said *don't retweet him, he reps gamergate and posts women's personal info and about rape"

so he says " I know Mike on and offline, he walks it like he talks it, I respect him" and Cernovich says "stop lying" (like there aren't archives and screencaps of the shit)

fucking hell

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

A musician I liked said he respects Mike Cernovich

He retweeted something from Cernovich about Ferguson of all things, so I said *don't retweet him, he reps gamergate and posts women's personal info and about rape"

so he says " I know Mike on and offline, he walks it like he talks it, I respect him" and Cernovich says "stop lying" (like there aren't archives and screencaps of the shit)

fucking hell

At least when our personal idols rep something we dislike, we instantly disown them out of disgust.

 

[CurlyW]

A musician I liked said he respects Mike Cernovich

He retweeted something from Cernovich about Ferguson of all things, so I said *don't retweet him, he reps gamergate and posts women's personal info and about rape"

so he says " I know Mike on and offline, he walks it like he talks it, I respect him" and Cernovich says "stop lying" (like there aren't archives and screencaps of the shit)

fucking hell

The fact that douche even has opinions on Ferguson is horrible.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

The thing of it was, the sentiment about Ferguson was actually above board so it's like "is he doing it to try to look better, or does he actually believe what he's saying?"

bleh

 

[Nanashrew]

A musician I liked said he respects Mike Cernovich

He retweeted something from Cernovich about Ferguson of all things, so I said *don't retweet him, he reps gamergate and posts women's personal info and about rape"

so he says " I know Mike on and offline, he walks it like he talks it, I respect him" and Cernovich says "stop lying" (like there aren't archives and screencaps of the shit)

fucking hell

That really sucks, man =/

I lost a lot of respect for Brandon Strader from OCRemix when he came into this thread and pulled a lot of crap and got banned.

 

[CurlyW]

The thing of it was, the sentiment about Ferguson was actually above board so it's like "is he doing it to try to look better, or does he actually believe what he's saying?"

bleh

Also, the guy said that Cernovic "walks it like he talks it"? Does that mean he walks rape-ily or talks stalkery?

 

[Nanashrew]

Also, the guy said that Cernovic "walks it like he talks it"? Does that mean he walks rape-ily or talks stalkery?

Standing in dark alleyways and lurking around corners.

Spoiler

The guy really didn''t think that reply through.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

I read it ash "he doesn't just say dumb shit, he goes through with it"

Man, between this and Ferguson I need a soul shower

 

[DICKS AHOY]

The thing of it was, the sentiment about Ferguson was actually above board so it's like "is he doing it to try to look better, or does he actually believe what he's saying?"

bleh

People can be absolute monsters over one social issue but inexplicably altruistic or sympathetic over another, even if there's overlap with the two issues in question.

I don't think it's that weird, it's just how some people work.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

GamerGate is passing this cute little graphic around:

I had to laugh at them saying anti-GG has donated $0. I'm someone they would consider anti-GG and I personally donate 10% of every paycheck to charity, which amounts to a significant portion of what they've given collectively.