Correct. Try OC first. If performance still isn't good enough, then, upgrade CPU and MB.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
"I Need a New PC!" 2014 Part 2. Read OP, your 2500K will run Witcher 3. MX100s! 970!
- Thread starter Hazaro
- Start date
- Status
Correct. Try OC first. If performance still isn't good enough, then, upgrade CPU and MB.
It would be a fairly substantial upgrade with either cardI have a radeon 7950. Would going to a 290 or a GTX970 be a real improvement?
And please spare me your AMD/Nvidia fanboy drivel. I've been on AMD cards since the 850XT and never had issues
In short I need to know if upgrading makes sense or not
Prophet Steve
Member
Yeah, not a lot of room to upgrade otherwise.
Huh, looks like I forgot to link you to a price list of GTX 750 Ti models. Does that $200 still include the video card?
As for the kind of performance you can expect with Far Cry 4, benchmarks for preset graphics settings can be found here, about halfway down the page. Expect 30 frames per second on ultra and 60+ on low. Looking at performance videos on youtube, even outdated 7 year old Q6600 processors paired with the GTX 750 Ti still manage 30fps on ultra settings on 1080p, although I figure that's because Far Cry 4 is well optimized for Nvidia cards and doesn't rely on the CPU very much. Other games will differ.
Yep. Because a CPU upgrade would require a new motherboard, the added cost means that it's cheaper to try overclocking first.
I'm having trouble picking RAM? Any suggestions on this?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...31-606^20-231-606-TS&percm=20-231-606:$$$$$$$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...31-606^20-231-606-TS&percm=20-231-606:$$$$$$$
The Ares sticks don't have the big heatspreaders. I think you had a Hyper 212 Evo listed in your build, in that case those would probably be best, otherwise the RAM might get in the way of the fan (though you can mount the fan a bit higher to make it fit.).
Thank you for that. The 750ti is currently on slickdeals for $90. I think I may pick it up. Just need to decide if I should just upgrade the psu instead and get a different gpu. $90 is quite tempting though.
Could I get a better GPU AND power supply for around $200? If not I will likely stick with the Ti.
Again, thank you for your help! Happy Thanksgiving as well!
The first and third in that comparison are overpriced. Here, G.Skill Ripjaws X 16GB DDR3-2400 for $130, 1.65v and large heatspreaders. There's also this, Patriot Viper 3 low profile 16GB DDR3-2400 for $137, 1.5v and small heatspreaders so as to not interfere with CPU coolers.
Otherwise, if you care more for capacity and less about speed, there's Team Group branded 16GB DDR3-1600 for $105. They're not as well known as G.Skill, but they do offer limited lifetime warranty and that product has good reviews, if not many.
Sweet. What 500W power supply would you recommend for the desktop? Thank you!
paolo11
Member
The XFX TS 550 watts for $45 after $10 mail in rebate, and the Asus R9 280X for $160 after $30 mail in rebate. I can't find any tests or benchmark results for Far Cry 4, but the 280 should perform a bit better than the 270X as shown on the website benchmarks I linked you to. Youtube videos seem to show 50-60+ frames per second on very high, probably around 45 frames per second on ultra.
Well, 80 degrees is right at the limit for what is too much for a GTX 980. Maybe you need a stronger front intake fan blowing cool air toward the video cards.
Thank you so much! I really appreciate your help!
Well, this is my build so far I'm not sure if the fan will be a problem but I have been told to go with a low profile ram to make sure of that.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($249.99 @ Micro Center)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus MAXIMUS VII HERO ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($194.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($124.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial M550 512GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($229.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 4GB Superclocked ACX 2.0 Video Card ($564.98 @ NCIX US)
Case: Corsair 780T ATX Full Tower Case ($174.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair Professional 850W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($164.97 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Asus VG248QE 144Hz 24.0" Monitor ($219.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $2069.87
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-11-27 12:53 EST-0500
What's the cards fan speed when it gets that hot? Have you set a manual fan curve?
I'd get a cheaper ssd, drop the 980 for two 970s and go for a Korean 1440p monitor. That motherboard and psu are both too expensive and overkill
I have the same cooler and my RAM isn't low profile (Corsair Vengeance Pro) so I had to mount the fan a bit higher. It works, but in hindsight I should have gone with low profile as well. So it's not a complete deal breaker.
That's a lot more expensive than it needs to be. Here's a revised build with better deals on motherboard, RAM, PSU, SSD, and graphics card.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($299.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97X-UD5H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 Low Profile Red 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($137.00 @ Amazon)
Storage: Crucial MX100 512GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($189.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 970 4GB WINDFORCE Video Card ($354.98 @ NCIX US)
Case: Corsair 780T ATX Full Tower Case ($174.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus VG248QE 144Hz 24.0" Monitor ($219.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1721.90
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-11-27 13:14 EST-0500
paolo11
Member
Where do I check that, brother?
Aw man I been picking parts all morning
. What SSD would you recommend? Is there that much difference in models such as crucial mx100 vs. M550?I guess I can always do that but I would love everything to just fit. Well the search continues.
Aw man I been picking parts all morning
I guess I can always do that but I would love everything to just fit. Well the search continues.
The MX100 has a slight lead over the M550 in most benchmarks, and is $40 cheaper to boot. Can't really see a reason to pick the M550.
Sweet will switch , So for the graphics cards, would having two require more set up and a different board?
Are you using msi after burner? I'd give that a shot.
Board and power supply you've already chosen would work perfectly. There really isn't a ton of extra setup.
I'm not sure if it's because of the R5 announcement and/or Black Friday, but for those interested the case Fractal Design Define R4 is 70$ at Newegg right now, just bought it!
Alright guys, need some assistance for Xmas. I'm going to build my father a PC for his present. He's not a gamer at all. He uses his PC for streaming sports (NHL, MLB and such), browsing, some light work and mainly relaxing. The kicker is he will be using two monitors (and we're not hurting for those at the moment) and he requires wifi. His office is not one we can run cat cables to.
I currently have a nice case, hard drive and a power supply (460W). I need this to be simple, affordable (not breaking the bank here) but able to meet his two monitor and wifi needs.
Any suggestions?
I currently have a nice case, hard drive and a power supply (460W). I need this to be simple, affordable (not breaking the bank here) but able to meet his two monitor and wifi needs.
Any suggestions?
Exactly which case, PSU and HDD?
After looking into it I think I am going to go the sli route but would it cause trouble if I buy one now and the other later down the line? Sorry about all the questions, I'm a huge noob if you couldn't already tell so I appreciate all the help.
Do you have a budget in mind? This won't really cost much. Do you already have the monitors? What model are they, or what inputs do they take?
This is already overkill. Could easily go for a cheaper CPU and motherboard combo. The motherboard has one each of D-Sub, DVI-D, and HDMI.
It wouldn't cause any trouble at all, just make sure you get a big enough power supply up front so you don't have to upgrade it later.
zero shift
Banned
So yeah something had to happen to my video card.
I run the Heaven test and I can no longer break the 50 overall fps barrier. While prior to that I got 53 fps with hardly increasing anything. It also doesn't matter what the score is whether I overclock or not. What exactly has happened.
The only thing that has changed with PrecisionX16 is that there is now a "priority" tab.
Could I have damaged my video card while overclocking it? I never messed with the voltage and I don't recall the temps ever passing 85c.
I run the Heaven test and I can no longer break the 50 overall fps barrier. While prior to that I got 53 fps with hardly increasing anything. It also doesn't matter what the score is whether I overclock or not. What exactly has happened.
The only thing that has changed with PrecisionX16 is that there is now a "priority" tab.
Could I have damaged my video card while overclocking it? I never messed with the voltage and I don't recall the temps ever passing 85c.
So yeah something had to happen to my video card.
I run the Heaven test and I can no longer break the 50 overall fps barrier. While prior to that I got 53 fps with hardly increasing anything. It also doesn't matter what the score is whether I overclock or not. What exactly has happened.
The only thing that has changed with PrecisionX16 is that there is now a "priority" tab.
Could I have damaged my video card while overclocking it? I never messed with the voltage and I don't recall the temps ever passing 85c.
Heres some tips
Use the OSD - This will help you work out and track your GPU overclock vs performance. it can display the actual clock speeds and temperatures while you bench.
That will tell you exactly if the card is throttling or not. For example raising the clocks and seeing no difference - That could be because the card is running too hot, at ~68c it has a first stage throttle.
Or noticing that the clocks defaulted to stock - this can happen if the card was unstable and the driver reset. You have to change either clock speed by 1mhz to re-engage the overclock.
Priority is probably Temperature Vs Power Target.
I was planning on picking up the corsair hx850. Do you think that's enough power?
Case is my old Fractal R2 (I think that was it), Corsair CX430M PSU and a WD 640 GB Drive.
As cheap as I can while maintaining some quality and the possibility of upgrades down the line if he wants.
If for some reason you do not have one yet, it's a lightning deal today.
Metro Vacuum ED500 DataVac 500-Watt 0.75-HP Electric Duster 120 volt
Metro Vacuum ED500 DataVac 500-Watt 0.75-HP Electric Duster 120 volt
zero shift
Banned
OCD is usually on. It says the temperature doesn't go that high.
That being said I do notice that when I retest the FireStrike benchmark performance is usually lower.
I think I'll do more testing tonight or tomorrow morning.
What do you mean by first throttle? Sorry but I'm new to GPU overclocking.
zephervack
Member
Just started wondering into the world of overclocking GPUs.
I have one question...
I finally found the most stable OC for my 7970, so far so good, I was kind of forced by Far Cry 4 because I couldnt achieve 30fps @ 6400 * 1200, I digress, anyway...
Everything is fine but the noise of the fan, holy shit, its taking away so much from the experience, I set the fan to keep the GPU below 75C no matter what, so the thing naturally sounds like a vacuum.
How do you guys deal with that, noise cancelling headphones?
I have one question...
I finally found the most stable OC for my 7970, so far so good, I was kind of forced by Far Cry 4 because I couldnt achieve 30fps @ 6400 * 1200, I digress, anyway...
Everything is fine but the noise of the fan, holy shit, its taking away so much from the experience, I set the fan to keep the GPU below 75C no matter what, so the thing naturally sounds like a vacuum.
How do you guys deal with that, noise cancelling headphones?
Then take the parts I suggested, but go down to a lower end i3 or even a Pentium.
Here's some revised parts. I forgot to include the wifi requirement last time around. Pick which one of the two adaptors you'd prefer, USB or internal.
First time in this thread and first I gotta say Wow to the info in the first couple of posts, really informative and will help me on my next build. Top work!
My Specs] Intel i5 760 O/C 3.5ghz / ASUS P7P55D-E / Nvidia GeForce GTX460 1gb / XFX 750w
I just came in looking for advice on a gfx card. I am way out of the loop of PC shit, been overseas for 2yrs with nothing but a PS3 and a tablet. My PC I use at home (specs above) currently has a GTX460 with dual out. Was considering replacing my mobo in order to fit another GTX460 (Yes, I know it's a 4yo card but it suits me fine, well has done ;-) ).
However, after doing a bit of price searching I see that there is a card that supports my needs, 4x output. The Gigabyte GV-N970G1 GAMING-4GD GeForce GTX 970 4GB 256-Bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 HDCP Ready G-SYNC Support
Will this card run work without any dramas on my ASUS P7P55D-E?
Anyone here using one of these? I understand it has the ability to run up to 4x displays. Are you happy with the card and how many displays do you use?
Cheers.
My Specs] Intel i5 760 O/C 3.5ghz / ASUS P7P55D-E / Nvidia GeForce GTX460 1gb / XFX 750w
I just came in looking for advice on a gfx card. I am way out of the loop of PC shit, been overseas for 2yrs with nothing but a PS3 and a tablet. My PC I use at home (specs above) currently has a GTX460 with dual out. Was considering replacing my mobo in order to fit another GTX460 (Yes, I know it's a 4yo card but it suits me fine, well has done ;-) ).
However, after doing a bit of price searching I see that there is a card that supports my needs, 4x output. The Gigabyte GV-N970G1 GAMING-4GD GeForce GTX 970 4GB 256-Bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 HDCP Ready G-SYNC Support
Will this card run work without any dramas on my ASUS P7P55D-E?
Anyone here using one of these? I understand it has the ability to run up to 4x displays. Are you happy with the card and how many displays do you use?
Cheers.
These GPUs down clock after a certian temperature regardless of your Temperature Target (which can be set up to 91c). At around 68c the card down clocks a little. And downclocks further as temps rise.
Just watch the clock speeds in OSD. GPU overclocking is pretty simple. Clocks, voltage and temps is all you need to watch.
What are your core and memory clock speeds (not offsets).
Hello guys
I am up for a mouse upgrade. Black friday could supply with this odd edition Deathadder. Worth it?
http://www.4frags.com/raton-razer-deathadder-4g-counter-logic-gaming.html
Thanks!
I am up for a mouse upgrade. Black friday could supply with this odd edition Deathadder. Worth it?
http://www.4frags.com/raton-razer-deathadder-4g-counter-logic-gaming.html
Thanks!
zero shift
Banned
GPU Clock: 1264 MHZ
Memory Clock: 4175 MHZ
So I should focus on making my card cooler? Maybe keeping the fans on all the time instead of automatically kicking on?
Focus on more core clock, 4000Mhz memory is more than enough (1ghz over stock).
Looks great. Thanks! =D
zero shift
Banned
Can I use this to install Windows 8 on my custom PC? If not what is the cheapest way to get Windows 8?
Also they did say that Windows 10 comes free with people who have 8 right?
Okay. I'll lower that then.
Also they did say that Windows 10 comes free with people who have 8 right?
Okay. I'll lower that then.
Aztechnology
Member
Oh this is tempting, but I always have a hard time finding the more detailed specs on these monitors/tv's. I'm trying to see if it has DP 1.3 and HDMI 2.0 or not, and what the Chroma Subsampling is on the Display Port.
Samsung 4k UHD Monitor with Metallic Easel Stand 1ms 4K HDMI Widescreen LED Backlight TN Panel 370 cd/m2 1000:1
$450 on sale on Newegg for Black Friday.
Anyone heard anything good/bad about this monitor?
Samsung 4k UHD Monitor with Metallic Easel Stand 1ms 4K HDMI Widescreen LED Backlight TN Panel 370 cd/m2 1000:1
$450 on sale on Newegg for Black Friday.
Anyone heard anything good/bad about this monitor?
- Status
Similar threads
- Locked