Every forum is like that, it's not just gaming
you're spot on, I like your answer
I just ignore it and play video games
Because it's everywhere doesn't mean it's ok or should just ignore it. Go into the Gamergate thread and say that about gender/orientation harassment and see where that goes.Harassment is worse than, though sometimes the product of, what we are talking about here, but it's something that some argue just comes with the territory of gaming and just deal with it.
It also shits up the communication between players and the industry. I still remember people being baffled about why industry members and the media were talking down to the audience after Mass Effect 3 while they typed some of the most horrid things. The few people actually making the case on why the endings were terrible were drowned out by those type of posts and made it easy for the problems to get ignored to continue on as if nothing happened. Same with resolutiongate.
Echo chambers are always annoying, but the added cynicism at the negative end of that spectrum compounds the issue.
Well...that is what the thread's about...
Hyperbolic hate to match the hyperbolic claims and hype made by the respective developers/publishers or those games (AC:U, Destiny, Watchdogs, etc)
They have no one to blame but themselves
I think there is a difference between avoiding certain threads, and having to avoid every thread about games you like because it gets invaded by the usual suspects whose sole purpose is to sayThis strikes me as more of an indictment of the discussions you read and participate in than anything broader; it's perfectly possible, even sticking just to GAF, to overwhelmingly have positive productive conversations about stuff. But there is a strategy to avoiding gravitating to the sorts of threads given to produce hysterics.
I feel like a thread could be made about the overuse and wrongful use of this term as well...
oh don't worry i'm far from saying it's okay, i'm always the one complaining about overly negative people... But let's be real here, I don't see it changing anytime soon unless we get our names and actual faces into play
Yeah its pretty tiresome but I've grown to ignore that kind of stuff. And it doesn't seem like its an appropriate reaction to hype.
If you fall for hype/extreme claims/marketing once or twice, then you can claim it was on the dev/pubs but after that it is all you. Overreacting because you fooled yourself doesn't make sense.
You're free to make it, but perhaps you should first stop doing it yourself.
This is the internet in general. I'm a huge MMA fan and any forum / news articles I click on for it is nothing but wars and hate.
GAF actually has more great discussion than almost any forum I've ever seen. All you have to do is look for it. Nearly all of the OT for individual games is great discussion. Of course there will be threads filled with anger / arguing but thats called people having opinions.
I can't think of another medium aside from video games that generates this kind of hostility and cynicism towards the very thing people love.
Generally I disagree. I find more honest opinions outside of the OTs which have a tendency to push out anyone with criticisms. Not the case in all OTs but a lot of them.
I can see that. Personally I find it a little annoying that these days we seem to have sanctioned positivity and negativity threads for certain games. Would be nice if people could discuss both perspectives in a single thread without it going to shit.
That doesn't appear to have happened in this thread. Are you referring to someone else?
This is the internet in general. I'm a huge MMA fan and any forum / news articles I click on for it is nothing but wars and hate.
GAF actually has more great discussion than almost any forum I've ever seen. All you have to do is look for it. Nearly all of the OT for individual games is great discussion. Of course there will be threads filled with anger / arguing but thats called people having opinions.
This will only get worse since companies are more focused on marketing a certain vision of the game as opposed to actually making that vision come true.
The defence force is something that actually gets to me. Very few industries defend their shitty products and such blatant false advertising as this one. For Gods sake, vertical slices and bullshots are the norm here. This circus should be compared to the fashion industry as opposed to movies.
I'm willing to bet most members agree, and official policy reflects that wish. The mods, for their part, do a very good job of containing the worst of it. But of course you're always going to have tricksters and shape shifters, especially when some level of anonymity is involved. The only advice I can give is to do what I so often forget to do: don't get pulled into the bullshit. The more the obvious troll attempts are ignored, the easier it will be to engage in respectful discussion and debate. There are a number of members that do this, so I usually skim through to find their comments when things get bad.
Thats the thing...not every person who likes a game (say Destiny) likes EVERYTHING about it.
I liked Destiny for what it was. The story was ass, the missions were repetitive, and wooo boy dat ending. It is a crazy flawed game. However, I enjoyed what I played of it. Playing though it once with a friend was fun. That doesn't mean I'm okay with the story being bad or the poor mission design or them not living up to their own hype (not talking about the DLC since...I didn't and won't buy it). All of that stuff is bad and should be fixed. However, I'm not going to rag on and on about it for days either. Nor am I going to go into a thread about someone else enjoying it and go "WELL THEY LIED ABOUT THIIIIIIS". Let people enjoy what they enjoy.
Bu-but it is just criticism isn't a good excuse to be a twat. Like If you don't like a thing and have made your point about why you don't...then why do you feel like people need to keep hearing it unless asked for it?
People who enjoy these flawed things generally aren't defending the bullshots,or the awful practices. Those things simply weren't enough to ruin their enjoyment of the product and they'd like to be able to discuss said product without being not so subtly being called a whore or a shill.
If you can explain how this post isn't declaring the developers responsible for the hyperbolic hatred they are subject to, you'll win a very special place in my heart.
If you can explain how this post isn't declaring the developers responsible for the hyperbolic hatred they are subject to, you'll win a very special place in my heart.
Im not going to lie, theres a few games that GAF convinced me were going to give me eye-herpes or punch my mother during 2014, and they were pretty good
Thats the thing...not every person who likes a game (say Destiny) likes EVERYTHING about it.
I liked Destiny for what it was. The story was ass, the missions were repetitive, and wooo boy dat ending. It is a crazy flawed game. However, I enjoyed what I played of it. Playing though it once with a friend was fun. That doesn't mean I'm okay with the story being bad or the poor mission design or them not living up to their own hype (not talking about the DLC since...I didn't and won't buy it). All of that stuff is bad and should be fixed. However, I'm not going to rag on and on about it for days either. Nor am I going to go into a thread about someone else enjoying it and go "WELL THEY LIED ABOUT THIIIIIIS". Let people enjoy what they enjoy.
Bu-but it is just criticism isn't a good excuse to be a twat. Like If you don't like a thing and have made your point about why you don't...then why do you feel like people need to keep hearing it unless asked for it?
People who enjoy these flawed things generally aren't defending the bullshots,or the awful practices. Those things simply weren't enough to ruin their enjoyment of the product and they'd like to be able to discuss said product without being not so subtly being called a whore or a shill.
You quit your Youtube channel? Too bad to hear it got to you. Why not just turn off the comments?
I'm sure it does but that is their job to hype up their products, thats business. The onus should be on us to properly inform ourselves about something before we spend money on it. If anyone expects a publisher or developer to talk about their games mediocrity they need to remove their head from their ass.At least with multiplatform games he's kind of right. I don't want to blame devs/publishers entirely, but there is definitly at least a correlation between how much a game gets hyped and how much it's hated on after release if it disappointed someone somehow.
All games that have gotten large amount of hate in the last few years are games that had high hopes placed on them. Diablo 3, Sim City 5, Mass Effect 3 and so on are all games gamers wanted to be good. Games like "Ride to Hell: Retribution" that barely anyone cared about, don't seem to get much hate at all even if they suck.
So hyping the hell out of mediocre games definitly contributes to the problem.
Would it have made more sense if I said publishers? Just because something is hyperbolic doesn't mean it's unwarranted. An exaggerated criticism of something can have a useful purpose
This isn't to say that all of the hyperbolic posts fall under this, or even most of them, but threads like the AC:Unity thread about the bugs/framerate issues need to happen. It isn't to say the game isn't terrible, but when the vast majority of what publishers see is seeming support for clearly rushed out products, then they have no impetus to fix things the next time or do better.
And I don't understand why someone saying "ya, I enjoyed this game" is a bad thing without merit. Someone expressing their enjoyment of something is just as valuable as someone expressing their dislike of something.
My standards aren't too low...I simply just don't give a fuck about the things that ruin games for you.
It's called different tastes.
This is again..the exact kind of elitist bullshit that ruins GAF at times.
"oh you don't care about that?...well your standards are too low whereas I am the one standing against the awfulness that publishers are trying to drown you sheep in..."
Like really?
i think this is exactly the kind of toxic, cringeworthy attitude this thread is about, highlighted by that classic last minute false sense of superiority bit that's so common amongst "gamers"
I'm sure it does but that is their job to hype up their products, thats business. The onus should be on us to properly inform ourselves about something before we spend money on it. If anyone expects a publisher or developer to talk about their games mediocrity they need to remove their head from their ass.
Not to me.
I play whatever game that interests me at least a little bit.
I would never ask for advice on which games to play, especially at GAF. I would've missed several masterpieces if I did that.