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Terror attack kills 12 at Paris newspaper - 4 wounded, gunmen identified

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Mononoke

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KingSnake said:
https://twitter.com/RteeFufkin/status/552937192252006400

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It's true though. Over time, they will become irrelevant. And the thoughts/ideas from the people they killed will live on and surpass them. Beautiful drawing.
 
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ComputerMKII

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Marine Le Pen (Front National, far-right), François Bayrou (Modem, center) and Jean-Luc Mélenchon (Parti de Gauche, left of the Socialist Party) are invited by President François Hollande for a meeting at the Elysée Palace.

It seems unusual to me that Hollande would invite even Marine Le Pen.
 
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Interceptor

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RustyNails said:
Do you even know what a Fatwa is. It's a non-binding statement, which is a simple legal opinion of an individual scholar. It's hilarious trying to see people talking about things they have no freaking clue about.
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Somehow i missed this explanation when a fatwa is used as an example on how the muslim communities condem attacks like this.
 
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zomgbbqftw

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Azula said:
Really terrible. It's okay to be angry and offended when someone makes fun of your religion. But bullying people and killing them. Fuck that. If you can't understand why that's NOT acceptable. Why it's not acceptable to be religious in a society with a variety of people and not accept freedom of speech, or not enacting violence on anyone who says something you don't agree with.

Apologies? lol Yeah okay.

What disturbs me, is not just the extremists. But those that actually view this as the "just" or something the writers brought upon themselves. Those that are religious, who think what they were doing was blasphemous, therefore their death was somehow brought on by their sins. Even if you absolutely think what they are doing is a mortal sin, and extremely offensive, you should not support someone killing or enacting violence on someone. Apart of living in a society with law and order, is living with diverse people that all don't share the same views. Respecting the laws, and basic human rights.
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No it isn't. Blasphemy is not a criminal offence in France or anywhere which purports to call itself civilised. Being offended or angry if one's religion is insulted is not an acceptable response in countries which value freedom of expression. In the US the First Amendment acts as a bulwark against this kind of response, it is ingrained into American culture, as it should be in Europe, but we have all become soft and scared of being shot or blown up by Muslim terrorists.
 
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NYCmetsfan

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ComputerMKII said:
Marine Le Pen (Front National, far-right), François Bayrou (Modem, center) and Jean-Luc Mélenchon (Parti de Gauche, left of the Socialist Party) are invited by President François Hollande for a meeting at the Elysée Palace.

It seems unusual to me that Hollande would invite even Marine Le Pen.
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She's a leader of a major party. It doesn't mean he has to take her ideas seriously if they are wrong.

zomgbbqftw said:
No it isn't. Blasphemy is not a criminal offence in France or anywhere which purports to call itself civilised. Being offended or angry if one's religion is insulted is not an acceptable response in countries which value freedom of expression. In the US the First Amendment acts as a bulwark against this kind of response, it is ingrained into American culture, as it should be in Europe, but we have all become soft and scared of being shot or blown up by Muslim terrorists.
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I think he meant personally. And its fine to feel someone went to far. People do that all the time and have their opinions. Its when that is used to affect someones elses actions (laws against free speech, these types of murders) there is a problem.

The idea you have to not criticize others or feel their wrong is another form of policing opinions and the same sort of action these men wanted.
 
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Cyd0nia said:
I keep reading this, but as far as I'm concerned every breath of life on this Earth is a gift. Someone else said we shouldn't do this because we would be 'releasing their souls' from the prospect of punishment. Well I don't think the soul exists. You think they won't talk to people, won't drink things in with their eyes, won't breathe fresh air, taste clean water, eat good food, get the option to read?

PRISON is too good for them.

I am against the death penalty in most instances, I believe in the right to due process and a right of appeal - but these people are a puss filled sore on the rectum of humanity. Their net contribution is a massive deficit: the venemous, virulent preaching, the hate, the pre-culture, pre-historic belief system, the violence.. the infliction of sorrow, mourning and loss on innocent families. The destabilisation of this world for their fellow muslims. It is a bad, terrible, unfortunate thing that these people exist.

Why should we domicile these people in a country they hate, and lock them up in a cell with all that entails - people watching over them, feeding them? I'm reading people saying they hope the perpetrators realise how senseless this is, or that they live to regret it. Am I crazy here, or are they? Because if they're crazy, I highly doubt they ever will regret it! Part of me agrees with you that we should. Kill em with kindness n' all that spare them, give them the usual justice - but if SWAT / RAID go in there and blow their brains out, good riddance. Take the gift they stole, 12 times over.
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Think of this way, maybe they get a life sentence in a mental institution.
Declared crazy in court because they believe a man in the sky told them to bravely kill unarmed comic artists.
Then every day they get these "what do you feel when you look at this picture" questions, but the doctors are always holding up Mohammed caricatures.
 
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Mononoke

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Arabian Mage said:
As a Muslim myself, I feel so ashamed of my culture, ashamed that my culture sprouted this bullshit that costed lives of innocent people.
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Plenty of people in your religion are peaceful and kind. I'm truly sorry that you have to feel bad and suffer because of extremists. There has been a lot of bigotry and hate aimed towards that religion, because of events in the last 10 years. And while I understand where the hate/fear comes from. It's not fair to people like yourself, who just want to practice your religion, and be a contributing and loving person in society.

Keep your head up. I think it's important to talk about the culture, and the issues that are coming out of this. But this isn't something that just impacts others. People in the religion are being negatively impacted by extremists, and that is important to acknowledge as well.

zomgbbqftw said:
No it isn't. Blasphemy is not a criminal offence in France or anywhere which purports to call itself civilised. Being offended or angry if one's religion is insulted is not an acceptable response in countries which value freedom of expression. In the US the First Amendment acts as a bulwark against this kind of response, it is ingrained into American culture, as it should be in Europe, but we have all become soft and scared of being shot or blown up by Muslim terrorists.
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I think it is. I think anyone has the right to be offended. You can voice your opinion. But there is a big difference between being offended and angry, and enacting violence and bullying people. My point was, on a personal level, you can find something offensive. But you should be okay with someone having that right to live and say those offensive things.

You really don't agree with that?

EDIT: I mean I understand where you are coming from. Raging out and foaming from the mouth is not acceptable. It's not an acceptable response in a civilized society. A society with freedom of speech, where you live with other people with different views. I wasn't suggesting that. Again, was just saying on a personal level, a religious person COULD feel angry and offended by something they find blasphemous, but they should be okay with someone having the right to LIVE and say those things. That's really what I was trying to say.
 
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olore

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Azula said:
But, I do appreciate GAF having this thread and allowing everyone to express their emotions. A place to allow people to try to come to some understanding, and try to grasp at some order during this time of chaos. I also appreciate people having intelligent discussions, even when the subject matter is complex that can easily derail and go a much different direction.
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Was thinking the same thing a minute ago. Thankful for what we got here, different people from all over the world rejoicing against the darkness.

Alarm is going of in a few hours, still I am up in the middle of the night working out, turned to the barbells to get some energy out
 
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Xando

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SolidusDave said:
Think of this way, maybe they get a life sentence in a mental institution.
Declared crazy in court because they believe a man in the sky told them to bravely kill unarmed comic artists.
Then every day they get these "what do you feel when you look at this picture" questions by the doctors, but they are always holding up Mohammed caricatures.
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Even this is too good for them. Throw them in a hole give them enough food to survive and all of these magazines.
 
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Fudgepuppy

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The whole situation is so goddamn surreal, like something out of CoD or a movie. Just so barbaric and insane.

My mind goes out to all those who are affected.

Fundamentalist idiots: I hate you so goddamn much.
 
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Micerider

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waypoetic said:
What does it say?
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"This is not a religion" after the famous Magritte (belgian painter) and his "ceci n'est pas une pipe" (this is not a smoking pipe).

Clever use, as the original's intent is to make people understand that what they see is an illusion crafted by someone to make them think it's actually a smoking pipe...while it's just a drawing and nothing else.
 
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Cartman86 said:
A fatwa declaring a death sentence...
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Fatwas are in no way a death sentence, especially from an ayatollah who has no standing in the Sunni jurispudence (which is 85% of the Muslim world), and non binding legally upon anyone, and . It's not a decree or an order. The extremely wahhabist Islamic Jurispudence Council of Mecca in Saudi Arabia did not support the Fatwa, and said if someone is guilty of something, they should be tried in a court of law. Al Azhar, which is the brain of Sunni thought for 1000 years, said that the contents of the Fatwa are unacceptable.
 
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