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Broforce skipping XBO due to Parity Clause, and "deal they couldn't refuse" w/ Sony
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Acquiescence
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You know who loves the parity clause right now? Sony.
1.21Gigawatts
Banned
I'd rather have games later than not at all.
Microsofts reasoning behind the parity clause is stupid.
Microsofts reasoning behind the parity clause is stupid.
Guess Phil didn't want to make an exception in this case like he has for others :/
Why? Would Greenwood have said "moneyhat" instead of what he actually said if he had a deal with MS?
Why? Would Greenwood have said "moneyhat" instead of what he actually said if he had a deal with MS?
Which is why it should be uniformly dropped if they just grant exceptions anyway. It's a harmful policy for any number of reasons.
Impeccable
Member
It is so sad to see super hardcore Microsoft fans still defending this.
Cthulhu_Steev
Member
Here we 'bro' again
(It's actually because Brohei Broshida didn't want to star in an xbone game alongside Major 'Look' Nelson).
35%? I don't know.
Anyway, parallel universe thread whining can probably get you in trouble over on anti-Gaf.
A big part of the reason the parity clause is so loathed is the lack of clarity, so not really.
This. Not newsworthy unless they actually tried to get it on Xbox. This article is clickbait
Alx
Member
Business is made of negociations. I don't see anything wrong with people getting around a table and discussing the conditions of a contract, that's... well, business as usual. Manufacturers, publishers, developers will get different deals depending on their respective situations.
The parity clause is Microsoft loss. As long as MS sells consoles in the U.S according to their projections (current ones that is) they won't care.
It's up to Sony to leverage indies more in the marketing sphere for it to really hurt MS sales wise. Otherwise it's all moral posturing and MS could care less.
It's up to Sony to leverage indies more in the marketing sphere for it to really hurt MS sales wise. Otherwise it's all moral posturing and MS could care less.
Parity Clause = Stupid and clearly has gotten into the heads of developers.
But this quote/article sounds like they struck a great deal with Sony and did not even consider/try to publish on Xbox afterwards. The quote:
As far as I know Microsoft has a clause in their contract where they wont accept an indie game if it launches on Xbox after Playstation.
Just seems to indicate they didn't pursue it. Glad they got a good deal though! Extra $ or promotion will always help.
But this quote/article sounds like they struck a great deal with Sony and did not even consider/try to publish on Xbox afterwards. The quote:
As far as I know Microsoft has a clause in their contract where they wont accept an indie game if it launches on Xbox after Playstation.
Just seems to indicate they didn't pursue it. Glad they got a good deal though! Extra $ or promotion will always help.
SerTapTap
Member
I dunno, this is hardly the first time a dev has skipped Xbox because of the clause. Most are quiet, but it's impossible to ignore that far more indie games are coming to PS One than Xbox One and, in my subjective opinion, more of the big ones as well (Transistor and Shovel Knight probably being the biggest losses if they're not given exceptions)
It's certainly possible--lots of pub fund games have ended up on PS+, though not always at launch. It's also probably not a pub fund game but some other specific deal, since it's already on Steam. But Sony also just seems to reach out to devs a lot. I'm not sure if there's an easy to find list of all the games with assorted Sony deals, it feels like a lot.
A lot of indies will probably do this, though. Indies aren't as organized and a payday today can matter a lot more than a larger payday a year from now. One of the biggest problems with the parity clause is it's common for indies to release on platforms in order of size and/or ease of porting rather than all at once, because devs can't afford to wait like huge publishers. I found this case a bit interesting as they DO have a publisher, though Devolver still isn't in the league of EA/etc.
Forsythia
Member
I know it's annoying getting games later than on PS4, but bloody hell, I'd rather have them late than never. Fuck this clause.
[EDIT] Oh wait, it's not because of the clause? Well, it still needs to be removed. But also fuck these indie devs. They always say they want to bring their games to as much people as possible, but still make exclusive deals like this. Fuck that.
[EDIT] Oh wait, it's not because of the clause? Well, it still needs to be removed. But also fuck these indie devs. They always say they want to bring their games to as much people as possible, but still make exclusive deals like this. Fuck that.
nullpoynter
Member
They shouldn't have to negotiate though. The clause simply shouldn't be there to begin with.
Castef
Banned
It is more like "I could not come to the party because I crashed my car. Also, even if I tried, maybe I would have found heavy traffic".
SomedayTheFire
Member
More than likely putting pressure on Microsoft for a future release. I'd say this a pub fund or Contrast style release. Will more than likely come to XB1 eventually but putting this out there will put pressure on MS to come and talk about the parity clause.
RowdyReverb
Member
I thought the parity clause was only for the ID@Xbox program? Couldn't they find a different publisher and still launch on XB1?
There's already been pressure. Phil gave some lip service answer. And here we are months later still hearing about the toxic parity clause.
Nothing announced but 2015.
Shadow Broker
Banned
Sony made a offer they couldn't refuse.
Parity clause
Microsoft has some clause that says they won't take indies if it comes to Playstation first, that he knows of.
Reading threw the first page has me thinking a few posters just read the title and not the OP.
Parity clause
Microsoft has some clause that says they won't take indies if it comes to Playstation first, that he knows of.
Reading threw the first page has me thinking a few posters just read the title and not the OP.
shiftplusone
Member
NOT getting games on my xbone makes me feel like a first class citizen
And they shouldn't reach out and try to get an exception either. The whole stupid clause should be removed
And they shouldn't reach out and try to get an exception either. The whole stupid clause should be removed
travisbickle
Member
Nobody knows how to become an exception to the parity rule. If they did, MS would hold no power over indie devs.
SomedayTheFire
Member
I mean more pressure to get talks with Devolver, not the parity clause as a whole. Once Devolver and MS start talks the game will come to XB1.
Parity clause exists though. Who is Reading and why is he throwing a page?
Yup, that seems like it. I'm not seeing Sony paying for Broforce to stay exclusive.
Its for all games, including retail and games published by big publishers [but individual deals for exceptions can be made, usually for very successful titles/studios].
It sounds like the devs were resigned to not deal with MS because of the parity clause. When indie developers won't even come to your table because one party finds your business practices that toxic, that's a big problem.
Yeah it does.
Everything is NDA'd. You have to be an ID@Xbox dev to get some answers.
It puzzles me that the guys at Xbox could clear up a LOT of things simply by outlining a lot of stuff but can't due to the heads up preventing just that.
Long story short, it's a great indie dev initiative at MS being strangled by tons of red tape, and Phil Spencer doesn't give a shit. Frustrating as hell.
Cthulhu_Steev
Member
They should steal Sony's wallet so they can't do it again!
Gordon Shumway
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Parallel universe thread whining? What the hell? I'm just pointing out that, by Greenwood's own admission, the game is not coming to Xbox One primarily because they have a deal with Sony. The parity clause was practically only mentioned in passing.
Shadow Broker
Banned
I agree. In this case it seems more than the Parity clause is in play though. There's a couple of different factors.
If that Microsoft clause is true (shit if I know) than would the parity clause matter?
Thats how I understand it unless I'm missing something.
DarthWalden
Banned
Well I don't like the parity clause the wording here makes it sound like the reason this game isn't on XBO is because of it.
It sounds more like Sony is paying them for a exclusivity then anything else.
It sounds more like Sony is paying them for a exclusivity then anything else.
Jimmyfenix
Member
Man this sucks :/
Or MS has a policy everyone except them knows is dumb and they didn't want to have to entreat with them about it in the first place.