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Nvidia responds to GTX 970 memory issue
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banefirelord
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I'm really torn...I ordered my 970 the day before all this shit broke out and it just arrived. On principle I feel like I should return it, but I did get it for half off, I'm not pushing above 1080p, even with the gimped .5 gigs it's still two to three times more powerful than my previous card and all the alternatives in my price range are not ideal. What do.
Lightning Count
Member
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/4gb-...1266mhz-boost-1367mhz-2048-cores-3x-dp-1x-dvi
Worth it?
Waiting on a response from the company who I got the 970 from before I make my mind up.
Worth it?
Waiting on a response from the company who I got the 970 from before I make my mind up.
Ricky Ricardo
Member
This is how I feel to the dime. It's not that I couldn't save or even use a credit card and be done. I just cannot justify spending so much on a single component. I just can't.
So I'm waiting, like everyone else to see what AMD makes of this 300 series of theirs. If nothing, I'll get a 960/960ti and call it quits. Gaming isn't worth enough for me to constantly be worrying about specs.
Bananajama
Banned
Half off is a great deal.
IF you still think it's good value for money while you're still in the period for free no questions asked returns.
Then you've answered your own question
IF you still think it's good value for money while you're still in the period for free no questions asked returns.
Then you've answered your own question
It all depends on what you have to have.
2 770 2 gigs will run games great with the texture res and shadows turned down a notch.
That would still be better than current consoles in all other areas and at least the same in textUres and shadows.
So it all really comes down to how badly you have pc spec syndrome.
SliChillax
Member
980 is too expensive for me. Max I can go is 400 pounds. Would Overclockers UK even make a deal like that?
Yeah, it's possible. It's not like they can come out and say "hey guys, we will see if we can cook something up with a new driver, no promises though!". They have to be absolutely sure about what they can do before commiting to anything. In fact, it's possible they will release a driver with some optimization and never say a word about it.
If the whole issue is about memory, how does two 770 2GB make any sense?
Lightning Count
Member
Looks like the company I bought my custom pc from are giving me the silent treatment.
Sent them a message regarding the 970, nothing.
Sent them a message regarding the 970, nothing.
The answear is pretty clear to me. Keep the 970 you just acquired at a very nice discount and enjoy the hell out of it.
SolidSnakeUS
Member
Soooo.... when is the AMD announcement so it can rub salt in nVidia's eyes for this shit?
That post was responding to that guy.
Yeah the whole point is about memory but no game requires 4 gig to play. Also was pointing out that with 2 gigs you can still get better looking and playing games than on the new consoles.
Just because devs add more options for future games doesn't mean your current gpu is going to get less powerfuL also devs are not ever going to stop increasing those options for pc games.
It seems some people are arguing against something that will happen no matter what And there is no way 4 gigs of vram will be required anytime soon.
They said 970 owners get a discount for their Hawaii chips.
The one they will annouce you can have Physix, TXAA, MFAA, HBAO+, Gameworks with good driver support ?
cyberheater
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I think the best you could hope for is a refund but really. I'd stick with the 970. It's still a great card.
There is nothing stopping consoles having higher resolution textures then that. Although it is unlikely.
It wouldn't surprise in the PC space to see game that require 6GB + of vram in the next couple of years.
Which company was that. Name and shame.
AMD cards can use HBAO+
and have good driver support.
That is pushing.
True, PC gaming has no limit.
Still, at that point, 3.5GB or 4GB, all cards of now will be short.
That's fine, but you really don't need 2 770 to get better results than a console. A 970 will suffice. Heck, a 960 will suffice.
Exactly. Which is why the future proof talk is silly. If you want to keep cranking up to ultra in the years to come, not even 4 GB will cut it.
Now, if by future proof you mean playing the games better than the consoles, I think the 970 will be just fine.
Reallink
Member
The consoles presently reserve 3GB and 3.5GB for their OS, a lot of that will be released to developers as the generation progresses. I don't know that they'll have the resources otherwise to actually use higher res textures, but regardless, if we're already seeing first-gen cross-gen PC ports using 3+GB at 1080p, you can be sure 4GB and more is coming in the next year or two. The upper range AMD 3XX's and GTX10XX's will most likely ship with 6GB standard this year, and there will be games that stuff something in that.
Most likely scenario is Nvidia legal have sent out company wide emergency memo's demanding everyone quit referring to it as a problem and cease any mention of fixes or improvements. They know they're getting sued, fined, and will lose millions reimbursing forced returns. They're defense is going to stick to the "everything was a clerical error, this was how it was actually designed" angle.
If this hasn't been posted, it is fantastic. Nvidia responds
Pc games at max setting is pushing 3+.
Console games are never near max settings.
Console != pc version at max settings.
Gameworks? Well, I don't really need or want it. I just want to receive a product that I paid for as it was advertised. Otherwise, no matter how good their gameworks library is, they are not getting my money. Besides, AMD driver support has been great recently.
This is also the fact that PC gamer expectation will increase during the gen.
In 4 years, 4K+heavy AA+ UHD textures, etc will be the norm.
Keeping up with consoles, 970 should be fine.
OcUK have a KFA2 GTX 980 for £400, but you only get free delivery if you've been a forum member there for a while. I still don't think it's worth it - and an extra £50 for an EVGA card isn't either. Unless you've got money to burn (in which case you should wait for GM200 cards or AMDs next).
The 980 has been sub £400 on hotukdeals a few times - and there was those £300 MSI cards on Amazon UK back in Oct (price error, ha). The current UK offers aren't anything worth jumping at.
To each its own opinion. I like physix, it makes games more alive. I like also the fact that nvidia pushes for new tech whereas AMD just give you a barebone fast console GPU in terms of feature.
Also, I know AMD drivers, I had a 7850 two weeks ago, between the outdated RadeonPro and the bugs-only-on-AMD, no, I feel Nvidia software is more polished. IMO.
alexandros
Banned
The actual performance of the card is largely irrelevant. The fact remains that Nvidia lied, either knowingly or unknowingly, about the true specs of the card. They should be taken to task for this, I don't see how anyone can argue otherwise.
Reallink
Member
Who/what is that even in response to? You said "If devs start putting much higher textures in pc ports than the consoles then you may be right. But I don't see that being the norm anytime soon. Right now textures are already higher than consoles with the current releases and they are not hitting 4 gigs." My point was what's going to happen when the consoles have 1 or 2GB more to work with (i.e. when the the ridiculous 3GB and 3.5GB OS reserve is released for use) and/or when PC developers start targeting the inevitable 6GB cards coming out this year.
SolidSnakeUS
Member
Curious, what has AMD never come out with their own physics engine? Also, AMD can't emulate the Physx stuff?
Lactose_Intolerant
Member
Pretty much no one uses physx except nvidia sponsored games.
SliChillax
Member
This really sucks. I don't know what to say because I don't want to return my 970 but I feel I should get a compensation for all this bullshit. At least a free game to shut some people up or a high discount to the 980. It's a fantastic GPU but I plan on keeping it for at least 3 years and adding another one next year. Not anymore.
Physix is closed to Nvidia hardware.
SolidSnakeUS
Member
Which of the last two games I played SP, which were Dying Light and Far Cry 4, have them. I think Gameworks and Physx have been showing up way more often lately.
I get that, but I mean, surprised AMD has done anything after being in the business for so long.
Naked Snake
Member
It was all over the other thread, the discussion moved here after it was locked.
Should be added to OP if you ask me.
Lactose_Intolerant
Member
Unless AMD released their new cards for purchase this week, nvidia can do nothing and get away with it.
SolidSnakeUS
Member
Watch AMD release a card more powerful than the 980 and be $100 to $150 cheaper.
Lactose_Intolerant
Member
I believe they are announcing it soon, but not for sale.
Look at all the alternatives people are talking about. "I just got ripped off by nvidia but I'm going to buy the 980 to replace my 970."
SolidSnakeUS
Member
So announcement, but then won't be sold for another couple months you mean?
Lactose_Intolerant
Member
Huh, you know thinking on this more, this is probably why my display driver would hang and crash After Effects when trying to do heavier Element 3Dv2 renders. I was only thinking of the impact of the 3.5/.5 split for games at first, but one of the main reasons I got the card with 4GB was for video editing use, and specifically After Effects and Element 3D, which will use as much VRAM as you throw at it. I don't think the 970 in it's current state is what I thought I was buying, and is hampering what I can do with it.
Pathfinder
Member
Yeaaaah, joke videos don't seem like OP material to me.
Probably best to keep things factual.
SliChillax
Member
I don't want AMD. I have a Gsync monitor and I want the Nvidia features, drivers, etc. I'm gonna talk to Overclockers UK again tomorrow and see what I can arrange.
You are well within your right to get a full refund but asking for special treatment (a £150 upgrade to a 980) is just silly.
SliChillax
Member
I know, definitely. I'm just too sad right now but I'll get over it.
Baron_Calamity
Member
That is gold right there!
ScepticMatt
Member
The German website computerbase.de did some testing.
They showed that games will stutter heavily or freeze if you force them to use the slow memory.
1080p gamers are most likely not affected (yet). SLI and/or multi-monitor users will suffer from problems much more often.
Case in point:
http://www.computerbase.de/videos/2015-01/gtx-970-vs-gtx-980-2-monitore-far-cry-4/
FarCry 4 before and after (51s) connecting a second monitor. Second monitor is showing aero desktop.
http://youtu.be/MTYd9_fe4iI?t=57s
Talos principle long duration freezes
They showed that games will stutter heavily or freeze if you force them to use the slow memory.
1080p gamers are most likely not affected (yet). SLI and/or multi-monitor users will suffer from problems much more often.
Case in point:
http://www.computerbase.de/videos/2015-01/gtx-970-vs-gtx-980-2-monitore-far-cry-4/
FarCry 4 before and after (51s) connecting a second monitor. Second monitor is showing aero desktop.
http://youtu.be/MTYd9_fe4iI?t=57s
Talos principle long duration freezes
OMFG that's terrible.. (2nd half of video)