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[Crimson_Gold]

Personally I hope Sony cancels The Order 2 if it means a sequel to Crash, Parappa, Omega Boost and Tomba can happen. In any order, in any capacity. I would rather have those tbh.

Outies.

Considering those things likely have no bearings on each other, good luck with that.

Reviews were about as bad as I expected. This game was definitely not for everyone

 

[Morfeo]

That's becuase the ways in which Uncharted is cinematic is very different from the ways in which The Order is. Uncharted is cinematic because it looks like you're playing a movie, The Order is cinematic because half the time you are watching a movie.

Yeah, makes sense.

 

[Pezus]

I agree, different people have different opinions. What I have a hard time believing is that someone would rather play what equates to an interactive movie, rather than an actual game. The main advantage that games have over movies is that they're interactive. If the majority of the game is not interactive then how can one justify the price-point, or even call it a game? It should priced more like a movie in this case. $25 sounds pretty reasonable for something like The Order.

With the examples already in this thread, why do you still doubt it?

The majority of Telltale games is not interactive and yet many people really like them, me included. Games have the advantage over movies in that the form they take isn't nearly as limited.

Ever seen a 6 hour+ interactive brand new movie go for $25? Thought not...

 

[Amentallica]

I haven't played the game yet, but I certainly don't have to in order to find scores of 20/30/40 to be shameful and sensational. Given the way scales are viewed, where really the only ones that are viewed in a positive light are 70 - 100, anything below suggests, using the current standard, that the game has nothing redeemable. That's my two cents. I can tell I'll enjoy what this game has to offer, but I don't know how much I will enjoy it yet. I just know it has something to offer that is substantially more than an arbitrary value of 20, 30, or 40.

Eh, something about this really rubs me the wrong way. Sorry if this has been discussed to death.

 

[Original Man]

In this thread: People who let others determine what game is good or bad before playing it themselves.

 

[Colbert]

The Order 1886 preorder cancelled - DONE

Bloodborne preorder placed - DONE

Good decision!

 

[Artex]

Why has my copy not shipped from Amazon yet is all I want to know.

 

[Exile20]

I can't believe how many people I've seen in this thread that are happy about the middling reviews or are taking joy in it.

When you prioritize a "cinematic feeling" with the blackbars over actually being ablet to play then ye, I never want to see something like this again.

 

[Northeastmonk]

In this thread: People who let others determine what game is good or bad before playing it themselves.

Reviews act like they're the enemas of the industry. That's why.

 

[Z3M0G]

Nah, it doesn't have anything to do with that. Accomplishing that in games is rather difficult, and I think with what they did in The Order 1886 it wasn't feasible for them to do it in real-time. Not a bug, glitch, or easter egg/hint. Just the realities of game development that sometimes break the immersion of these realistic approaches to design.

It would have been oh so easy to avoid this "bug" though... remove it completely instead of leaving something so immersion breaking.

 

[Scrulox]

In this thread: People who let others determine what game is good or bad before playing it themselves.

People cannot afford buying every single game on the market just to see if they like it.

 

[Alienous]

this thread is weird cause often posts come off almost like they're rejoicing at this game's failure to light up the review scores.

Where did you get that idea?

Much worse than I thought, yowza.

 

[FiggyCal]

This really isn't how the world works.

Well. He's right. Sony doesn't create its own money. The cash they invested in making the order and advertising it could have instead been used to make a whole lot of games that aren't going to flop. Money spent making the order is potentially money that Sony will never see again.

 

[joecanada]

Personally I hope Sony cancels The Order 2 if it means a sequel to Crash, Parappa, Omega Boost and Tomba can happen. In any order, in any capacity. I would rather have those tbh.

Outies.

I respect the value in trying those games out, but I wouldn't buy any of them. will probably pick up the order used. probably shoulda had MP i suppose, although seems weird that it's almost a requirement now.

personally i think games like H1Z1 are more popular these days and Sony should work on bringing that to ps4

 

[DoubleTake]

This makes me very very interested for whatever RAD's next game will be.

 

[Trey]

In this thread: People who let others determine what game is good or bad before playing it themselves.

I can't play every single game I'm even slightly interested in for a variety of reasons. Reviews and impressions have purpose.

 

[Flachmatuch]

This really isn't how the world works.

It really is, quite obviously. It's an industry, it is about money, allocating it to make more.

 

[Mahonay]

For a game that appears to have extremely little substance outside of the visuals, what the hell where they doing during the long delay?

 

[Caleranatior]

I have to say I wasn't expecting anything below a 6/10. Seems very harsh from some reviewers, I guess RaD unashamedly wanting to make a highly cinematic game got the rabid "GAMEPLAY FIRST OR DEATH" types rather riled up (as this thread proves).

How long are reviewers going to go on marking games down because of a lack of 'next-gen gameplay'? The sooner they realise that phrase is meaningless bullshit the better.

 

[IzzyF3]

In this thread: People who let others determine what game is good or bad before playing it themselves.

That's not that bad. I know a guy that wouldn't play a game unless it was all over Twitch.

 

[Elixist]

beautiful but boring. Such a shame.hopefully they build a fun game next and then wrap all the graphics and s*** around it

 

[Quotient]

Hopefully RAD gets to build a sequel, and with all the ground work already done, they should be able to focus more on gameplay, rather than engine-building.

 

[Floridian]

In this thread: People who let others determine what game is good or bad before playing it themselves.

It's a review thread.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

God damn. I wasn't expecting such a beating.

I'm still going to grab my copy tomorrow, but I'm pretty surprised it's not hitting more in the 70ish range.

 

[Serick]

I didn't follow the Beyond Two Souls review thread but remember it was getting similarly bad scores. I ended up loving Beyond, and I still have hope I'll find similar joy in The Order.

Edit: I loved Ryse too -- only game I've actually played to completion on my Xbox One... Before you all say I have bad taste my game of the decade is still The Last of Us!!! I swear!

 

[Acquiescence]

Wow, so I wake up and this is what greets me.

Gonna be one of those days.

Oh well...

Yeah, I'm supremely bummed out that the game didn't live even halfway up to expectations. It looked like such an intriguing premise and world from the moment it was unveiled, but all these criticisms of short longevity, non-existent replayability and control taken away from the player at regular intervals are just impossible to ignore now.

I thought my copy was going to arrive through the post today but it didn't. Now that the reviews have dropped, I have no idea what to do with it once it's in my hands. I have no qualms with paying £30+ for a short game as long as it delivers, but £36 for a tiny single player campaign that isn't even supposed to be very good is just too costly for so little. I think I'll just send it back to the site and get a full refund, then pick up the game in a couple of months time when it's inevitably reached bargain bin prices.

It couldn't even deliver on the story front.

 

[Mad Season]

Bloodborne pre-order sales just got higher I bet

 

[Alebrije]

Leaked image of the Order´s control quality team playing the game...

 

[reKon]

Why is there so much disparity on the length of the game still?

I thought there were gaffers that verified that it's around a 8-10 hours with a few hours of cutscenes?

Why is that YouTube video that's getting quoted saying 5 hours with 2 hours of cutscenes? I don't see why the video would be so funny to people if it's potentially comprised of a bunch of false statements.

The GTX 970 was hilarious to because though exaggerated, a lot of it was true lol.

 

[mollipen]

I haven't played the game yet, but I certainly don't have to in order to find scores of 20/30/40 to be shameful and sensational. Given the way scales are viewed, where really the only ones that are viewed in a positive light are 70 - 100, anything below suggests, using the current standard, that the game has nothing redeemable.

On EGM, we actually use the full scale. A 5 is average. We should be arguing against the mistake people have fallen into thinking that everything should land in the 7 ~ 10 range, not for us to consider that the correct way to score games.

 

[FStop7]

I'm sincerely disappointed. I wasn't that hyped for The Order but I was hoping to be surprised the same way that Wolfenstein surprised me last year.

 

[-MD-]

That's not that bad. I know a guy that wouldn't play a game unless it was all over Twitch.

Lol I recently brought up a game to someone I know and he said "it must suck since it's not even in the top 50 games on Twitch"

He's 26 years old.

 

[Original Man]

People cannot afford buying every single game on the market just to see if they like it.

Then just say you won't buy it or will play it down the line. Not "oh I knew this game was gonna be bad. Pre-ordered canceled!"

 

[The Artisan]

holy shit.

lmao at that gif

 

[LightofRohan]

this thread is weird cause often posts come off almost like they're rejoicing at this game's failure to light up the review scores.

There are still a lot of people that played it and loved it and a lot of reviewers that enjoyed it.

This is like how the grinch stole christmas! Kidding.

How come a few bad reviews beat a few good reviews?

The haters are just as bad as the lovers. Game enjoyment is an opinion/preference.

 

[Shining Sunshine]

CoD was one of the best looking FPS games last year.

hahaha nope

 

[DNAbro]

In this thread: People who let others determine what game is good or bad before playing it themselves.

So are you going to pay for it? If everyone says it's a bad game, I'm not going to go out of my way to play it.

 

[orthodoxy1095]

It really is, quite obviously. It's an industry, it is about money, allocating it to make more.

It's based on all kinds of false premises. A) That the money would have been used on games B) That the games would have been good C) That the games would have been worthwhile ventures financially, etc.

 

[SmokedMeat]

I just noticed that the OT is 7 pages and this thread is 43. Damn.

It's like RAD said in that interview; gamers love to focus on negativity. Not just with The Order, but any AAA release that hits a snag or has some bad news to share. And it draws responders in from all platforms, whether they've ever had an interest in the game or not. By the time I finish typing this there will probably be close to 5000 replies in this thread.

Compare that to Captain Toad's Treasure Tracker OT with around 1450 replies since the beginning of December. This thread will surpass October's Bayonetta 2 OT in another hour at the rate it's moving. Where's the "gameplay first" guys at?

Is there any other industry where the supposed "enthusiasts" delight when a developer whiffs? This is something I've noticed, not just with GAF, but other sites and comment sections as well.

 

[User 479360]

On EGM, we actually use the full scale. A 5 is average. We should be arguing against the mistake people have fallen into thinking that everything should land in the 7 ~ 10 range, not for us to consider that the correct way to score games.

I'm a fan of this. To me, five is the line between good and bad, or average if you will.

 

[CLBridges]

This is one of those very rare occasions where I'm gonna let these reviews deter my purchase...at $60. I still want to play it though, but don't want the full price entry, will probaby try to find somewhere I can rent it or wait a few months and get it on sale.

 

[Grief.exe]

Advanced Warfare had terrible story and the game looked ugly.

To be fair, Call of Duty is one of the only series targeting 60 FPS on consoles. A performance target that will become increasingly rare as this generation continues.

As far as the narrative is concerned, this is a game directly targeting the mainstream audience. Expecting anything above mediocre is too much.

 

[ArkkAngel007]

It would have been oh so easy to avoid this "bug" though... remove it completely instead of leaving something so immersion breaking.

Eh, I don't think most people care that much. I don't even remember the last game that I've played with

Spoiler

reflective surfaces

that did it in real time. At least you can see the environment instead of being some cloudy, marble-esque surface.

 

[MrHoot]

You want to condemn them to the Vita? They don't deserve that. No one deserves that.

That's just mean. I also believe the Vita got more worthwhile exclusives than the PS4 at this point, oddly (more of a vita fan myself than a ps4 fan)

Aside from that, no not exclusive to vita. They could make a dual release. My point is that I feel that they had so much visual freedom with the ps4 to the point where the emphasized working on their visual and ambiance more than anything else. Maybe having to be in a more controller environment to make it work would make them go over some of their design, because their PSP games were arguably way better received than The Order seems to be.

In art, constraint is often a good thing as it forces you to think outside the box and adapt, and you can come up with surprisingly good things that you never knew were possible, and sometimes they're better than the thing you originally planned out to do in your head

 

[TomShoe]

On EGM, we actually use the full scale. A 5 is average. We should be arguing against the mistake people have fallen into thinking that everything should land in the 7 ~ 10 range, not for us to consider that the correct way to score games.

Should just kill review scores altogether.

I prefer Eurogamer's method.

 

[Northeastmonk]

beautiful but boring. Such a shame.hopefully they build a fun game next and then wrap all the graphics and s*** around it

Life is beautiful and boring. Tons of games hit that in their first half, what's so different?

 

[SmokedMeat]

hahaha nope

What was better?

 

[DarthWalden]

I think the money used to create the order would have been put to far better use by buying timed exclusivity on the holiday release of tomb raider.

 

[LookAtMeGo]

Hopefully RAD gets to build a sequel, and with all the ground work already done, they should be able to focus more on gameplay, rather than engine-building.

This is what I'm hoping. Tone down the amount of cinematics, refine the cover and shooting mechanics. Maybe add in some co op... I still can't wait to play this. I think its going to be pretty damn good but I would like for them to get the chance to bring just that extra bit of features and content that would get more people on board without completely abandoning their vision.

 

[Papercuts]

hahaha nope

What was?

You'd think you'd put up some kind of argument on this discussion forum, but I suppose that's asking too much.