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[Kacho]

Besides Driveclub and The Order? What other games have received such negative "opinions" before release?

Note: I'll reference this post, days before Bloodborne comes out. I expect nothing short of what's happened to Driveclub and The Order...for Bloodborne.

Obviously there will be a handful of people out there who will be down on Bloodborne for various reasons, whether that's because of shields or fanboy nonsense or whatever. But Bloodborne will in no way receive this level or pre-release criticism like Driveclub or The Order. Reading between the lines in your post, I'm assuming that you think there is some widespread agenda against all Sony exclusives?

 

[Peterthumpa]

Spoiler

Can't wait for it anyway

 

[Derpyduck]

Besides Driveclub and The Order? What other games have received such negative "opinions" before release?

Note: I'll reference this post, days before Bloodborne comes out. I expect nothing short of what's happened to Driveclub and The Order...for Bloodborne.

The world you live in has no Destiny, Titanfall and Ryse, I see.

 

[Colonel Nasty]

I'm not sure why anyone expected this to be good with what they showed.

 

[gioGAF]

Reviews are almost as I expected. A little bit lower, since I expected low 70s.

I had hoped that RAD would include some elements to boost replay value, but there appears to be nothing of the sort. How hard is it for a developer to include an unlockable super weapon, the ability to use whatever weapon you want to clear a chapter via stage select, unlockable costumes, etc.

That's what really kills it for me. You finish the game in 6-8 hours, then there is no incentive to go back. I would have been okay with the length (quality > quantity), but the game as-is is just hollow.

 

[antitrop]

Nobody at Ready At Dawn have Tweeted at all today, less than 24 hours from the release of their brand new game. I feel really bad for them.

It could have been a corporate mandate, possibly handed down before the embargo even broke, I dunno.

I doubt they're all just sitting around the office, pouting.

Besides, reviews are one thing. Sales and the court of public opinion are far more important.

 

[ryanthelion123]

So fucking true.

This is why astro-turfing is poison to online communities.

First of all, this isn't what astro-turfing is. Secondly, it is totally fair judge a game without playing it. Humans have to make assumptions from experience to determine how to react. I know I am not touching fire because I have before and it hurts. I have played many games before and when I watch The Order I can tell what games it is similar or dissimilar to and assume how fun the gameplay is. I know many sometimes assumptions aren't accurate but with price of entry of 60 bucks you should listen to your gut. Also, The Order is probably one of the worst games to say you have to play it first to have an opinion since it is a cinematic game and you cant almost get the full experience through Youtube.

Edit: I am shocked this game is getting this reaction. I thought it was known awhile ago it was lackluster.

 

[Reedirect]

Nobody at Ready At Dawn have Tweeted at all today, less than 24 hours from the release of their brand new game. I feel really bad for them.

They'll be ok. It'll still sell well.

 

[jpax]

50 posts/page, disgusting. True page count is 50.

Does not compute...

 

[A_Gorilla]

I wonder if the people irrationally attacking the reviewers will look back and laugh at themselves fighting over such a mediocre game.

*looks at the number of idiots that still shit on Destiny 5 months after release*

I don't think so, dude.

 

[Mooreberg]

What bullying comments did Rad make?

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/the-order-1886-dev-says-internet-is-the-new-playgr/1100-6425374/

Yeah, that. So dumb.

No one should have to apologize for anything. RAD made the game they wanted to make, it seems the media do not like it at all. They made some very questionable design decisions but they made the game they wanted to make. It runs fine / doesn't crash your system / isn't a buggy mess. Its just likely, not all that good.

There is no reason to apologize, just hopefully they will work on their design choices for their next project.

I do not think anyone is suggesting they should apologize for the content or scope of the game. Whether or not SCE is happy with what their investment in the game yields (bad reviews do not stop games from selling well) is between them and the developer. But to say that people echoing facts about the game as some type of harassment is beyond strange. If you put a game, a video, or a piece of writing out there, people respond to it. Correct people when the information they are using is incorrect or flawed, but do not call them a "bully" when they are stating the truth.

 

[Kinyou]

Besides Driveclub and The Order? What other games have received such negative "opinions" before release?

Note: I'll reference this post, days before Bloodborne comes out. I expect nothing short of what's happened to Driveclub and The Order...for Bloodborne.

Watchdogs?? And did you ever look into a Ryse thread?

 

[EightBitNate]

Besides Driveclub and The Order? What other games have received such negative "opinions" before release?

Note: I'll reference this post, days before Bloodborne comes out. I expect nothing short of what's happened to Driveclub and The Order...for Bloodborne.

This is so funny.

Driveclub and The Order are getting shit because they have genuine faults. Stop feeling bad for Sony. Trust me, they don't get treated unfairly on NeoGAF.

 

[Snapshot King]

The reaction to RAD is overblown, sure, but they really stirred the pot with that absurd steak analogy and that fucking internet bullies piece. Have some respect for yourself and take your lumps RAD, jeez.

The game is fine. It's not good, it's not even really bad. It's just...right there in the middle. It's shiny but it's boring in a lot of places. If this weren't hyped up by a first party for a long while then it wouldn't even be a blip on anyones radar.

 

[De_Legend]

I'm not sure why anyone expected this to be good with what they showed.

So there's only bad reviews, gotcha.

 

[Xpliskin]

HA! so that's where the steak analogy I read pages back comes from. hahaha

I wonder if he'll have a twitter break down. I can't imagine him staying silent for too long about the development on this game. It'll be interesting for sure.

Ha, irony is that it'll still be a better read than anything you'll do in your entire life.

 

[mcrommert]

There should be space in the video game business to make products which are targeted to excel in the visual presentation so they can be judged on those merits alone. Why should such visual masterpieces be tied down by expectation of people who do not understand the true goals of the product. I read many fans wanting to pick this game up based on how it looks so is there no rating system that protects the desires of said fans to be able to take pride in their purchases and know they're receiving a top-rated visual experience without it being dirtied by the expectation of people who don't appreciate the goes of presentation the product has set for itself? I don't know man... I just feel for people who are getting bummed out by these reviews and treated like what they want from the product is a mediocre gaming experience when what they want is in fact an excellent visual experience. If a game says its a platformer then we shouldn't attack it for not being a RTS and in the same right, if a game says its visually stunning then we shouldn't attack it for gameplay. People are even recommending not to purchase this game hence victimizing people who pre-ordered it. Its rather insensitive to come out and tell people not to buy something they've put money towards... AFTER THE FACT. No one likes to be judged for their purchasing decisions so this judgmental atmosphere at the very least seems rather anti-consumer. Aren't media supposed to be on the consumer's side? Finally on the idea that the product is too short... a good product should leave you wanting more. Like when people say you've overeaten when you feel bloated and you should stop eating when you feel you are about to get full.. in essence, you should be wanting more before you stop eating; this is the proper way. Overeating will make you obese and there's nothing good about that so why are we trying to promote over-gaming like its something healthy. The Order should be commended for not piling on the fat with unnecessary content, variety, game length and extra modes and collectable. It cares about the consumer's gaming health. Judged based on its visual fidelity and respect for consumer health, I'd give the order a 9.7 out of 10 but Metacritic won't carry my review on the "reviewer" section so I'll leave it here and I ask journalist to be kinder with their review. We need more products like the order. Dare I say it... I'd like to The Order another one of these!

???????

I don't even...

 

[Stimpack]

That's a really interesting way to look at a game like this. There's room for stuff like that.

The sad fact is that this kind of polish costs $. Telltale games are rather cheap.

 

[Averon]

Well, thats made my mind up. Will pick it up at a discounted price at some point. I just don't understand why they leaned so heavily on cinematics if they didn't have anything interesting in mind storywise.

This is their biggest mistake, imo. If you're going heavy on story and cinematics, then your story and cinematics better be killer. If not, then you're left with a game with middling gameplay with a story that feels half-baked.

That's a very poisonous combo for a game marketed so heavily on its story aspects.

 

[reKon]

Welcome to GAF...

I hate when people say shit like this when it was literally one poster who said this. This hive mind criticism bullshit type posts need to stay out of here

 

[CambriaRising]

Unless the game sells like shit and they close down...

I don't think it will. It's been marketed pretty heavily.

 

[DOWN]

Crap. I really wanted to pre-order.

 

[Radian8]

We all fell for it atleast once. Don 't feel bad. Can't you return it unopened?

I really really hope so that's for sure!

 

[Curufinwe]

That's like a D in US grading metric

Good thing all reviewers are from America and use the system they were taught in school.

 

[MormaPope]

The reaction to RAD is overblown, sure, but they really stirred the pot with that absurd steak analogy and that fucking internet bullies piece. Have some respect for yourself and take your lumps RAD, jeez.

The game is fine. It's not good, it's not even really bad. It's just...right there in the middle. It's shiny but it's boring in a lot of places. If this weren't hyped up by a first party for a long while then it wouldn't even be a blip on anyones radar.

This gens Kane and Lynch so to speak.

Spoiler

Kane and Lynch 2 is pretty sweet. Would like to see a flashy, shiny, Kane and Lynch 3.

 

[Z3M0G]

49% and below is an F in Canada.

That would be an F when I was in high school.

I simply must assume that things have changed in the past 17 years since I was in high school... but something about 66% being a C, and 49% being an F seems WRONG.

 

[Gestault]

Besides Driveclub and The Order? What other games have received such negative "opinions" before release?

Note: I'll reference this post, days before Bloodborne comes out. I expect nothing short of what's happened to Driveclub and The Order...for Bloodborne.

These are completely different games, genres and development backgrounds. You'd have a much better understanding of all of them if you would separate them in your mind from being a unified "thing" and just assess them independently. It's not a conspiracy, and Bloodborne/Driveclub have nothing to do with the Order.

 

[Mory Dunz]

Both sides are getting a little extreme here.

I mean, as far as i can tell, it's just an average-poor game, and that's that.

 

[Muzicfreq]

So fucking true.

This is why astro-turfing is poison to online communities.

Astro-turf is poison?!
Need to tell my family not to buy that stuff.

 

[Alienous]

The Order: 1886. Most resold game of 2015, or most resold game of all time?

 

[StoppedInTracks]

Nobody at Ready At Dawn have Tweeted at all today, less than 24 hours from the release of their brand new game. I feel really bad for them.

Well what would you say in their place? Usually devs are pumping their games 24 hours before release on Twitter. I guess they would feel wrong? doing so with all the negative reviews.

I mean it is a difficult situation for them. I do not know how I would react.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

I honestly believe that if RAD's intention was to make a good game they would have absolutely been able to do that. And it's clear that the gameplay wasn't the most important aspect of their game. Not to say that is has to be, but if it isn't going to be everything else has to be on point, and you still need to embrace the fact that you are an interactive medium.

It's possible that they simply devoted most of their resources to other aspects of the game, so you're right.

I'm hoping for Order 2, since most of the building blocks are already in place, they can create something with much more depth and more spectacular.

 

[Graphics Horse]

Astro-turf is poison?!
Need to tell my family not to buy that stuff.

It's really bad for grazing

 

[Apath]

Oh please. You're acting like it doesn't exist and there aren't people here that never wanted to buy the game talking shit and enjoying every minute of this.

I mean, there are people astroturfing the other way. It's pretty clear how the majority of the industry feels towards this game, so if anything there is a larger percentage of people paid to praise/defend it than attack it. It's stupid to discuss such a hypothetical.

 

[Savantcore]

It could have been a corporate mandate, possibly handed down before the embargo even broke, I dunno.

I doubt they're all just sitting around the office, pouting.

Besides, reviews are one thing. Sales and the court of public opinion are far more important.

Obviously I'm not imagining Andrea Pessino sitting in his pyjamas crying into a tub of ice cream, I'm just saying that I would have expected at least a little hype from them the day before The Order comes out. Weerasuriya has been hastagging the game non-stop the last week or so. I can't help but think they're afraid of saying anything in fear of the huge backlash they'll receive.

Who knows. Maybe it is a corporate mandate, but at the same time I doubt the self-reassurance that the game will sell well is gonna soften the blow of universal criticism.

Well what would you say in their place? Usually devs are pumping their games 24 hours before release on Twitter. I guess they would feel wrong? doing so with all the negative reviews.

I mean it is a difficult situation for them. I do not know how I would react.

Yeah that's basically what I mean. They've worked their asses off for five whole years, only to be stuck between a rock and a hard place the day before it all comes to fruition. Sad.

 

[Karak]

Mainstream critics' opinions on good gunplay seem to line up less and less with my own, these days. Sometimes I think reviewers aren't even paying attention to what they're doing during routine shootouts, since they've done it so many times. It all just kind of blends together for them and they ignore any nuance.

It's much easier for them to talk about presentation.

Game reviewers are just kind of sick of shooting in games, in general. They don't even know what good or bad gunplay is, anymore, they just want to be doing something else, instead.

Man not me. Throw me a shooter I dig them.

 

[EventHorizon]

Ive never really been a fan of the argument that games must focus on gameplay first and foremost, as a gamedev myself, i fond that thought unnessicery restrictive.

Im still gonna pick this up, i really like cinematic games, so i wonder how much i would enjoy it.

And yet by focusing on cinematics at the expense of gameplay we get the critical disaster that is The Order. Remember that this has been predicted to happen for quite a while precisely because of the game's lack of gameplay. Now hopefully Sony will learn from their mistake and we get bet better exclusive games out of them in the future.

 

[antitrop]

*looks at the number of idiots that still shit on Destiny 5 months after release*

I don't think so, dude.

Errr, at what point does it stop becoming okay to share an opinion about something? I'm not allowed to bring up some shitty movie that I watched 5 years ago, because....?

Man not me. Throw me a shooter I dig them.

That's because you and I aren't forced to play all the bad ones on top of the good ones. I can see how reviewers can get burnt out. The Order may be one of the bad ones, I don't know, I haven't played it, yet. I was just making a general statement about how game reviewers handle shooters.

 

[hipbabboom]

Crap. I really wanted to pre-order.

You still can. I believe the product deliver an all the visual they showed in early preview videos. It looks great.

 

[CambriaRising]

The Order: 1886. Most resold game of 2015, or most resold game of all time?

Call of duty, madden, nba, and Grand theft auto.

Come on man, you're better than the trolling you've been doing in this thread.

 

[keltickennedy]

Watched a quick look. I didn't think the QTE's would have instant fail states. Am I wrong in remembering an interview with the devs where they said that the QTEs had the possibility to branch because they wanted to avoid what other games did where it turned into a "groundhog day" sequence that would repeat over and over till the player got it right?

 

[quest]

Nobody at Ready At Dawn have Tweeted at all today, less than 24 hours from the release of their brand new game. I feel really bad for them.

I feel bad for them also. For the longest time this was my most wanted game. I am almost certain when I play it I will have the same thoughts as watch dogs. A game with a good foundation with flaws that can be fixed in a sequel. The concept is so damn good for this game just to bad the execution was flawed. Who ever was the director was the person at fault they got tunnel vision over the cinematic they ignored any feed back for the rest of the game.

 

[TerryWogan]

I hope he stays off twitter/doesn't talk to the press for a while, TB gave some good advice IMO http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1skov0u

We're just consumers working hard in jobs we hate. It doesn't take long for people to become completely out of touch with reality, does it?

Can't disagree too much with the rest, but talk about condescending with that part.

 

[Sid]

I wonder what YoSP thinks of all this...

 

[Archaix]

Besides Driveclub and The Order? What other games have received such negative "opinions" before release?

Note: I'll reference this post, days before Bloodborne comes out. I expect nothing short of what's happened to Driveclub and The Order...for Bloodborne.

Titanfall had louder reaction against the hype it was getting, Fuse had such a resounding negative opinion that the two people who defended it were accused of being bought out by Insomniac, most Ubisoft games over the past few years, Battlefield Hardline...


Oh, you just wanted to go on about your persecution complex didn't you? Sorry. I meant nobody, ever, Never. Nobody's ever been as mean to anybody in history as the internet is to Sony exclusives.

 

[Zukkoyaki]

Hopefully Ready At Dawn sucks it up and listens to the criticism. A little humility has never hurt anyone. Use this as a learning experience so they can make a good, maybe great, game next time.

 

[Jams775]

I hope he stays off twitter/doesn't talk to the press for a while, TB gave some good advice IMO http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1skov0u

Wow that has to be one of the best posts I've ever read from him. To use RAD's analogy. They thought they were making a $100 steak when really it was an Denny's Sunday special.

 

[SSReborn]

Nobody at Ready At Dawn have Tweeted at all today, less than 24 hours from the release of their brand new game. I feel really bad for them.

The second one of them tweet they are gonna get bodied so it's probably best they don't.

 

[Z3M0G]

The Order: 1886. Most resold game of 2015, or most resold game of all time?

I've been anti-used-game-sales for many years now, but for this game I'd consider making an exception. It'll still be $65 CDN Used for the next year at EB/Gamestop though... it'll likely get a hefty price cut or sale on PSN before then...

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Watched a quick look. I didn't think the QTE's would have instant fail states. Am I wrong in remembering an interview with the devs where they said that the QTEs had the possibility to branch because they wanted to avoid what other games did where it turned into a "groundhog day" sequence that would repeat over and over till the player got it right?

Wait, they have an instant fail state? You're definitely right, they talked about QTEs branching. I remember that quite vividly.