YES! i was there when Haze came out and so much ppl thought there was a vendetta against the game UNTIL the demo released lol
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Angry Joe The Order 1886 Review.
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YES! i was there when Haze came out and so much ppl thought there was a vendetta against the game UNTIL the demo released lol
rosaceadude2112
Member
I just find it startling that something designed from the ground up to be primarily a cinematic experience has cutscenes this dreadfully dull
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4d779WBI-LY&list=PLcmgUoyV0K_HlHv3kLIXPxeYtg6RTTyu4
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4d779WBI-LY&list=PLcmgUoyV0K_HlHv3kLIXPxeYtg6RTTyu4
:lol
yeah as said before, the pattern changes only if you move, you can stay in the same spot for 10 minutes and it won't change a bit
WordsintheWater
Member
The first time I was like did the textures not load? But same thing on my second playthrough, seems weird they missed that lol
This video helps your argument in no form or fashion lol
One of the things I find most annoying about modern "cinematic" games, and really prevalent in The Order, is that by cinematic standards they're terrible. And I don't mean writing or acting.
Basic things like camera placements, blocking, pacing, timing - all completely disregarded. Scenes are almost entirely boring handheld one takes or shot reverse shot of people talking. There's never an attempt at creative visual storytelling. This is stuff movies figured out almost a century ago, just steal from them!
For a games desperately pushing for widespread acceptance in storytelling its bizarre developers don't both to take a film making 101 course and make the cutscenes bearable.
Basic things like camera placements, blocking, pacing, timing - all completely disregarded. Scenes are almost entirely boring handheld one takes or shot reverse shot of people talking. There's never an attempt at creative visual storytelling. This is stuff movies figured out almost a century ago, just steal from them!
For a games desperately pushing for widespread acceptance in storytelling its bizarre developers don't both to take a film making 101 course and make the cutscenes bearable.
Ricky Ricardo
Member
You have literally KNEECAPPED your own argument by posting this video. GOT DAMN lol
Ohhh my god were you intentionally turning your back on the enemy just to prove they can attack from the back?
Jeeeez.......
Krappadizzle
Member
Did you purposefully put that video up or did you mean to put something else?
Viruz
Member
First, I really liked Heavy Rain and its multiple QTE and endings and JASOOON!
The 1886 game, if it's a "game", I can't even go past chapter 3 after watching my daughter playing it. Now she's in chapter 5 I think, It looks like a library and sniping from above?
This just remind me of an Amiga500 demo in 2015.
I hope the 1887 will play better. Vivement Bloodborne.
The 1886 game, if it's a "game", I can't even go past chapter 3 after watching my daughter playing it. Now she's in chapter 5 I think, It looks like a library and sniping from above?
This just remind me of an Amiga500 demo in 2015.
I hope the 1887 will play better. Vivement Bloodborne.
did you play the game?
How are people saying I liked it i would have given it an 8 out of ten? I need to make a list to remember to never listen to those people. I know it's only opinion and I respect that but this looks like a downright bad game to me.... That lycan fight....you can't even rig it to make the game look like it has decent ai.
Uncharted 3 was worse.
But the order is out now and people are still playing the victim complex.
The Goomba from Super Mario Bros has great AI if you play the game without looking at the screen.
WordsintheWater
Member
Because I enjoyed it, put me number 1 on your list if you want, I'll also put you number 1 on my list.
At first I thought you simply linked the wrong video
But I noticed you're the uploader
Lol
PanicFreak
Member
The ghosts in Super Mario are more interesting enemies than what you posted in this video. Why does the Lycan run right by you when your back is turned to it after your second dodge?
I played it and liked it. It entertained me throughout, and I'm looking forward to my next play through.
The lycan fights are indeed quite terrible, but they amount to not even a half a percentage of the total playtime. I've put up with far worse segments in games I like.
Still, whoever designed that fight...
Rogue_Ledr
Banned
Why? What was wrong with it?
Abinash117
Member
No I'm not mixing it up marketing and design(because I didn't even pay attention to the marketing). The Order is much of a cover based shooter as Gears in terms of it being a 3rd person shooter; its just how they approached the game was very different. The thing is a good portion of your time IS shooting people and going to places while shooting people with a lot of interactive\cutscense in between. Of course the game wasn't designed as Gears or I can guess the intention wasn't, but so wasn't billions of other 3rd person shooters. The game was designed to play as a 3rd person shooter so it will get criticized as one. Its just different to other shooters because it uses tons more OTEs, walking segments( which gears had a lot of too), and cutscenes than normally.
Gone Home and Heavy Rain is very different in such a way that to some people they barely video games , but how they make the player engage with the story and the game itself makes it vastly different then how the Order approach things. One game is straight mostly interactive cutscenes with heavy amount of choice and very little control of the character. The other other have lots of exploring and very little or no cutscense. The games are heavily story-based but so is many of the other games( sometimes linear) that got tons of praise.
He's thoroughly unentertaining and unfunny.
If you're going to joke around about a game at least be as funny as Zero Punctuation (which I look forward to reviewing The Order, even though I liked the game!)
King Beyond the wall
Member
You should rent it or borrow it from a friend so you can play it and have an informed opinion. It's wrong to argue that something is a bad game when you have not experienced it yourself, and even more ludicrous then to argue from this point that people who have played it are wrong.
Its not a 'downright bad game' in my opinion. It has some excellent qualities and some poor qualities which drag the game down. Its a solid 7 or 7.5 for me (as well as a huge waste of potential/ or significant potential for an excellent sequel if it happens and if RAD listen to the feedback). I wrote a review in the OT so you will see that in my recent comments if you are interested.
Corronchilejano
Member
Why should Joe do anything someone else is already doing? He's got his own thing going on. If you don't like it, don't watch it dude, it's cool.
It's nothing like Heavy Rain, in heavy rain how you interact with the cut scenes and QTE determines your progress and path through the narrative. The essentially the entire game mechanic. With the Order the QTE's are merely arbitrary roadblocks on a set path through the narrative, they serve no purpose except to reassure the game someone is still paying attention to it's prettiness. They are barely a game system, as the result is predetermined you experience the QTE until you resolve it to allow the narrative to continue on its set path.
It does share an some similarities with Gone Home, but I'd barely class Gone Home as a game*. And in Gone Home picking up objects propelled you through the narrative, in the Order you pick up and interact with object for no reason what so ever, the vast majority of them serve no narrative purpose at all.
* games are about player agency the only agency Gone Home gives is the order in which you receive the set narrative.
I'm not saying do what ZP is doing. I'm saying be funny. I don't find his delivery or his jokes funny at all. They come off painfully awkward and amateur.
I'm not watching the whole video because of this. I was just responding to someone that asked "Why" when someone said they couldn't get through 2 minutes. I couldn't get through much more than 2 minutes either.
Melchiah
Member
What's really disgusting is the comments section for the video review.
And look how many thumbs of approval that comment got. I think that sums up pretty well the hate the cinematic games in general attract. TLOU got its share of it as well, eventhough it was a critical success.
*Cutscene*
*Player given control to look at apple*
*Look at apple*
*Hit button*
*Cutscene*
Silliest fucking thing I've ever seen.
CassidyIzABeast
Member
What's really disgusting is the comments section for the video review.
And look how many thumbs of approval that comment got. I think that sums up pretty well the hate the cinematic games in general attract. TLOU got its share of it as well, eventhough it was a critical success.
You made the mistake of looking at the youtube comments. You never look at the youtube comments.
The lack of body movement is a bit weird. They just stand straight and talk with barely any movement and hardly any facial expressions.
Rogue_Ledr
Banned
My one problem with his review is he complains about how the story felt unfinished and was too busy setting up a sequel, but don't A LOT of games attempting to establish a franchise do this?
Halo did it, Mass Effect did it, Gears of War did it, etc.
Not fair to complain when those games got a pass. The game definitely has flaws, but that one could be tied to dozens of major releases over the last number of years.
Halo did it, Mass Effect did it, Gears of War did it, etc.
Not fair to complain when those games got a pass. The game definitely has flaws, but that one could be tied to dozens of major releases over the last number of years.
So desperate lol. I can't believe a guy who made the game linked to that review.
Haven't played those three games, but I assume *something* gets resolved. Nothing did in the order.
edit: Wait I have played Mass Effect alot of things get resolved.
0ptimusPayne
Member
Brutal...Glad I got to experience it for myself, because I thoroughly enjoyed it. Cant wait for the sequel 
Astral Dog
Member
He is mostly right but god he is sooo annoying i don't want to watch this Joe ever again,
That thing with the photographs was a bit funny, but i don't see what's so offensive about them.
That thing with the photographs was a bit funny, but i don't see what's so offensive about them.
Chaos2Frozen
Member
Yeah both halo and gears resolved what they set out to do.
Their first game had a conclusion.
The usage of the Zelda music was funnier than anything ZP has done in years.
Jawbreaker
Member
Yes, it's much worse than anything to come out of the Uncharted 3 thread.
Hasn't stopped you from posting 10+ posts in this thread. So why do care so much if you don't like him?
Rogue_Ledr
Banned
Yeah, that is really pitiful to be perfectly honest.
Trying to argue with challenge the reviews for your own production is pretty shameful.
Giriath_89
Member
Come on. The thread is about the game, not Joe.
CassidyIzABeast
Member
Nah. This game only ties up the thread of
Lucan helping Lord Hastings with his plans
Corronchilejano
Member
I don't know if you actually saw the ending to Gears of War dude.
Melchiah
Member
Thanks for the link. I wish the gallery included images of the hospital as well. Makes me wish the game had a photo mode.
While I can say I respect this review and say he makes and and backs up what appear to be very valid points / complaints, I can't say I "agree" with the review and it is "exactly how I feel about hte game" without playing it first.
If you rented it or played it at a friend's place, it should have been stated.
i guess i should have worded that better lol, but from the evidence ive seen (without spoilers) i have concluded that this title isnt worth 60 bucks. while i havent play it yet, from others have said i have determined that ill nab it later.
James Scott
Banned
It's mostly that he thought it felt incomplete, not satisfying to deserve a second one after this this. Like a bad movie that enda unsatisfyingly with a sequel beg. The games you mentioned ended on a cliff hanger but the experience as a whole (gameplay+story) results in a more satisfying game where a cliff hanger gets you excited for the next game.
I think the problems people have with the story is the most baffling to me, and I wonder if there had been significant content there if people would even complain at all? Like, is the sore spot that you'd didn't play for that terribly long and thus you should get to play these other threads?
Yes some things are left hanging in the overarching world, but I don't see how that means the story is unfinished. The story was one of Gallahad and his realization that the order wasn't what he thought it was, and how he came to leave it. He goes through complete arc in the game. The moment the game ends is the moment it needed to for that story.
Yes you don't know where the lycans came from or what ultimately happens to the rebellion, etc, but you don't know that shit in a lot of stories. You don't really know where the infection comes from in The Last of Us. You don't know what happens to Joel and Ellie. You don't know what happens to some of the groups you interact with in the world. But that works, because that was a character story, and so is this. In a character story you just want to solve a specific arc with that character. With this we saw Gallahad go from trusted company man to skeptic to outright rebel. He found the corrupt person in The Order and killed him, and that punctuated his end with the group and as a knight. I'm not going to pretend it's anywhere near as good as TLOU, but I think that still stands.
When I heard people were pissed at the ending I guess I was expecting Final Fantasy XIII-2 levels of GODDAMMIT. I got to the end and was just confused. I liked the arc.