I watched the review but I haven't played the game. I like Angry Joe in general but he's trying to hard with this angry persona. Maybe it works to get clicks but it comes off as juvenile. I guess I'm not the audience it's more aimed at teens than adults like myself. Still all his points and criticism are valid even if it's wrapped in an unpleasant 'schtick'. I mean he's a funny guy at times, I'd much rather watch funny joe not angry joe.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Angry Joe The Order 1886 Review.
- Thread starter Crossing Eden
- Start date
I bought the game and finished it. It has its problems but I thought it was good. I loved the settings and characters. I had no problems with the combat or the cutscenes since I wanted to see what was going to happen next in the story. The lycan fights were a bit disappointing but not enough for me to hate the game. I thought RAD did a fine job with their first PS4 game. I hope they get to make a squeal to it. If I was reviewing the game, I would give it a 7.5/10.
LookAtMeGo
Member
I cant argue with most if his points. Many of his problems were the same ones I had with the game. I enjoyed the combat more than Joe though and it sounds like I enjoyed the story more then he did.
He says it doesnt earn the right for a sequel, I think it does. He says it was 6-7 hours, it took me 10-12 on hard with auto aim off. I guess that 6-7 is accurate on the default settings. He complains about the 5 year dev cycle without any regard for the building of that amazing engine with a small team which I think is a tad misleading.
The replay value is there for me because they nailed the atmosphere, gun fights and characters so much that I want to revisit it even though there is no extra content offerings on subsequent playthroughs which I think is a achievment on its own.
I cant ignore the things that this game does so well IMO like the graphics, setting/atmosphere, gunplay, voicework, attention to detail, music, lore and story. These things take this game into the above average catagory for me.
Its all the stupid dumb shit like the lycan encounters, pointless collectables, bad ending, weak bosses, shitty implementation of QTE, the lack of use of good weapons, overuse of cutscenes and not delivering on other thing like destructable environments ect that hold this game back from greatness. Its a lot holding it back but I truly think this game deserves a 6-7/10 score.
IMO anything under 5 is not fair. Tgere is too much good in this game to be considered below average. There are way too many worse games out there with higher scores.
He says it doesnt earn the right for a sequel, I think it does. He says it was 6-7 hours, it took me 10-12 on hard with auto aim off. I guess that 6-7 is accurate on the default settings. He complains about the 5 year dev cycle without any regard for the building of that amazing engine with a small team which I think is a tad misleading.
The replay value is there for me because they nailed the atmosphere, gun fights and characters so much that I want to revisit it even though there is no extra content offerings on subsequent playthroughs which I think is a achievment on its own.
I cant ignore the things that this game does so well IMO like the graphics, setting/atmosphere, gunplay, voicework, attention to detail, music, lore and story. These things take this game into the above average catagory for me.
Its all the stupid dumb shit like the lycan encounters, pointless collectables, bad ending, weak bosses, shitty implementation of QTE, the lack of use of good weapons, overuse of cutscenes and not delivering on other thing like destructable environments ect that hold this game back from greatness. Its a lot holding it back but I truly think this game deserves a 6-7/10 score.
IMO anything under 5 is not fair. Tgere is too much good in this game to be considered below average. There are way too many worse games out there with higher scores.
Rogue_Ledr
Banned
I definitely agree the game could've used more closure with its ending, but sequel-bate is going a little too far IMO.
Melchiah
Member
Good post, and I agree with it mostly. The game took me 11,5 hours on normal, and even after platinuming it via chapter select I'm itching for another playthrough.* The atmosphere is what lures me in the most. I'd personally give it 4/5 on a Netflix scale. It's far from sub-5/10 carbage I've had the questionable pleasure to play during the years.
* EDIT: I very rarily replay games. During the past decade I've replayed the likes of RFOM, SH3, Journey, Flower, The Unfinished Swan, and TLOU. The one thing they all have in common with The Order is a unique and captivating atmosphere.
WOW his review is surprisingly informative.
Maybe I should start watching DSP again
It just straight up feels like they ran out of budget/time.
It's not a logical ending point, it feels like the game is still in its rising action. It's actually infuriating, to me. I felt more satisfied by the arc of a Call of Duty campaign.
The Order gave me narrative blue balls in the worst way.
XxRampage07xX
Member
LOL @ 13:00 of his review XD He had the exact problems as I did in that section (that goddamn armored shotgunner). But unlike him, I know to use Blacksight to cheat death
Some Nobody
Junior Member
Yep. He covered everything in the game I had an issue with. People are too hung up on the final score. Give it whatever you want to feel better about your purchase, but all of the things he said were true.
Yeah but that don't explain why he never used it on all clips or mention it as a mechanic -___-
LookAtMeGo
Member
The bolded is getting thrown around a lot when talking about this game. Its such a lazy attempt to discredit anyone who has a positive opinion of the game.
The Artisan
Member
died at dickbutt
(credit to TheDutchSlayer)
that looked like nicolas cage
lol
reynal1287
Member
Games from last gen did better qtes. I don't know what they were thinking.
freenudemacusers
Member
Hey I know a lot of people think trains are 'on rails' and don't exhibit a lot of 'intelligence', but if you run backwards into their path they sure do hurt.
Pretty sure it's Javert
wumster3000
Member
Why I can't watch him.
The healing mechanic? It's hardly worth mentioning. I found it to be almost completely useless.
i don't really care too much about the score but if the things he points of in the video with regards to the story, the enemy ai and the ally ai, the length and the pacing are true, it's hard to understand how there are so many out there who say they absolutely love it. that part he shows with the lycan resetting is pathetically sad in a 2015 game.
Rogue_Ledr
Banned
Well OK, you have a legitimate issue there. I am still wondering about something though:
Was this game really in development for 5 years? Seriously?
Joe mentioned it in his review and it really makes me wonder. Especially, in consultation with this guy's point about how it feels like they ran out of time.
5 years feels like a ridiculously long account of time for such a short game. It make me ponder if those claims about how much time was spent with the graphics engine hindered game development. Maybe it is true. I still feel RAD bit off more than they could chew developing such a robust engine alongside this game.
Fixed2BeBroken
Member
flaxknuckles
Member
LMAO that intro is hilarious. I love Joe reviews.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
Well, I am here just to see people reaction towards his review, so I don't actually expect a spoiler to be posted so blatantly open like this.
Damn it.
I'm glad to see other people pointing out how ridiculous it was that Galahad didn't say a damn thing in his defense. More than anything I was confused by it.
Jack the Ripper, head of the United India Company and Lord of the Vampires, walks into the hall of the Order and he just sits there like a yutz.
meanspartan
Member
I have made my peace with the fact that he is somewhat divisive and not everyone likes him.
But I will never understand why people who don't like him feel the need to proclaim it in threads about his reviews.
meanspartan
Member
Beat the game in one run and platinumed it today. Did not enjoy my time with the game much, like I hated it at first, then I thought it was decent for a bit, then the whole last 1/3 of the game just completely fell apart. Oh well at least I learned a good lesson about preordering digitally and listening to GAF impressions. I feel the game is a 5 or 6/10 so I don't think the reviews were that far off. Just issues with the Lycans, Chapter 11 in general, the ending, gameplay variety, etc, all of it just wasn't good to me. And after seeing the dev posting some crazy youtube review on twitter, I'm feeling as if the sequel is not gonna be any better cause these devs won't take any criticism.
And lol @ Joe's review, "LOOK AT THIS FUCKING LAMP" hahaha.
EDIT: also sorry if most of my post is still off topic from Angry Joe, just finished the game and wanted to post about it, but don't really want to in the OT, don't wanna get accused and stuff of not playing the game for not having a favorable opinion of it.
And lol @ Joe's review, "LOOK AT THIS FUCKING LAMP" hahaha.
EDIT: also sorry if most of my post is still off topic from Angry Joe, just finished the game and wanted to post about it, but don't really want to in the OT, don't wanna get accused and stuff of not playing the game for not having a favorable opinion of it.
Rogue_Ledr
Banned
Not necessarily! There are endings that lack closure that don't hint at a sequel, at all. They are just ambiguous endings. Of course, this ending certainly wasn't ambiguous, just open. Way too open.
Never watched an Angry Joe review before, but figured I would just to see what he had to say. (Full disclosure: I thought The Order was amazing!)
An unlikeable curmudgeon complains about the game's pace during his uninteresting 25 minute review - that's the pot calling the kettle black.
An unlikeable curmudgeon complains about the game's pace during his uninteresting 25 minute review - that's the pot calling the kettle black.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
I don't think he will be back anymore to this thread folks.
Or, each and every one of you, and me too I suppose, is now in the dreaded FeiRR's ignore list, hahaha.
Quite probably one of the funniest things I've ever witnessed unfolding in GAF.
Ah well, regardless, I am interested in trying out this game and now am looking around for the cheapest second-hand price I can get for it, lol.
Because it is relevant and meaningful to judge a video game experience and a review with the same criteria.
From the review,
"Instead of doing battles with creatures of the night, from horror stories as we assumed the order would actually be doing ?. No, we're pulling guard duty for some powerful rich jack ass"
I havent played the game yet (waiting for 50e or less), but as more of this game has been shown leading up to its release and after, the lack of creatures is what pissed me off the most, and the lack of anyone even noticing. But instead just eating up everything about the game like it was going to be pure gold.
Good stuff Joe.
"Instead of doing battles with creatures of the night, from horror stories as we assumed the order would actually be doing ?. No, we're pulling guard duty for some powerful rich jack ass"
I havent played the game yet (waiting for 50e or less), but as more of this game has been shown leading up to its release and after, the lack of creatures is what pissed me off the most, and the lack of anyone even noticing. But instead just eating up everything about the game like it was going to be pure gold.
Good stuff Joe.
rokkerkory
Member
Haven't really followed the game but stopped at 2 hours worth of cinematic out of a 6 hour long game. =/
timetokill
Banned
BeforeU
Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
is this some kind of a joke?
LMAO at the dislike bar.
What are you trying to show in this video? The AI looks bad in this vid.
CitizenCope
Member
I'm in my 40's and love his stuff. I feel like him along with others saved me $65.00.
TheRedSnifit
Member
Guys, come on. There should be space in the video game business to make products which are targeted to excel in the visual presentation so they can be judged on those merits alone. Why should such visual masterpieces be tied down by expectation of people who do not understand the true goals of the product. I read many fans wanting to pick this game up based on how it looks so is there no rating system that protects the desires of said fans to be able to take pride in their purchases and know they're receiving a top-rated visual experience without it being dirtied by the expectation of people who don't appreciate the goes of presentation the product has set for itself? I don't know man... I just feel for people who are getting bummed out by these reviews and treated like what they want from the product is a mediocre gaming experience when what they want is in fact an excellent visual experience. If a game says its a platformer then we shouldn't attack it for not being a RTS and in the same right, if a game says its visually stunning then we shouldn't attack it for gameplay. People are even recommending not to purchase this game hence victimizing people who pre-ordered it. Its rather insensitive to come out and tell people not to buy something they've put money towards... AFTER THE FACT. No one likes to be judged for their purchasing decisions so this judgmental atmosphere at the very least seems rather anti-consumer. Aren't media supposed to be on the consumer's side? Finally on the idea that the product is too short... a good product should leave you wanting more. Like when people say you've overeaten when you feel bloated and you should stop eating when you feel you are about to get full.. in essence, you should be wanting more before you stop eating; this is the proper way. Overeating will make you obese and there's nothing good about that so why are we trying to promote over-gaming like its something healthy. The Order should be commended for not piling on the fat with unnecessary content, variety, game length and extra modes and collectable. It cares about the consumer's gaming health. Judged based on its visual fidelity and respect for consumer health, I'd give the order a 9.7 out of 10 but Metacritic won't carry my review on the "reviewer" section so I'll leave it here and I ask journalist to be kinder with their review. We need more products like the order. Dare I say it... I'd like to The Order another one of these!
I used it once the whole game. I most often got killed by the shotgun wielding guys, and if they're that close, you're screwed anyways.
It barely counts as a mechanic. I appreciate what they were going for with it, but in the most hectic moments and bigger firefights when you do usually need it, someone was close enough to kill you before you got to use the blackwater.
This is only the 3rd Angry Joe review I've watched over the years, and his experience seems pretty right on the money with what I've played so far. It's a lot of top notch assets that are thrown on top of some pretty bad game design. Mechanically, the basic act of getting behind cover and shooting things is pretty well done, but the enemies are extremely bland, and exhibit some poor AI. The Lycans in particular were laughably dumb encounters. The level designs for the encounters themselves haven't been very good either so far.
The qtes really add nothing to the game in most cases, and they're much to frequent. Putting a bunch of random useless objects in the game to pick up and turn over for to no end seems like a strange waste of time.
I loved the lamp segment in the review. Just occasionally stopping and looking at the impressive craftsmanship of their art assets has been my favorite part so far.
Just below average seems like a fair assesment.
The qtes really add nothing to the game in most cases, and they're much to frequent. Putting a bunch of random useless objects in the game to pick up and turn over for to no end seems like a strange waste of time.
I loved the lamp segment in the review. Just occasionally stopping and looking at the impressive craftsmanship of their art assets has been my favorite part so far.
Just below average seems like a fair assesment.
The A.I for that enemy is just nonexistence. it'll just follow the same line and unless unless the player spin of try very hard to make contact with it in the last moment the player will not get hit from any direction.
How in the hell A.I this poor is in a game from 2015?
EatinOlives
Member
I've never actually seen anyone actively RECORD footage that irrefutably proves his opponent's point (not to mention Joe's review), only to post it anyway and just pretend it's a sound argument.
If anything good came out of the bickering in this thread, it's this moment.
What's with the argument that the visuals somehow make Joe's score "unfair?"
Are games like a consumable product now, like a hamburger or something? Should they be judged on plating and presentation and one time taste as they go down?
Unless you view games as children's toys there's more to them than looking pretty. That ain't enough and frankly doesn't count for anything in and of itself or make any score "unfair."
Are games like a consumable product now, like a hamburger or something? Should they be judged on plating and presentation and one time taste as they go down?
Unless you view games as children's toys there's more to them than looking pretty. That ain't enough and frankly doesn't count for anything in and of itself or make any score "unfair."