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[ThoseDeafMutes]

I can't say I've been completely problem free on either flavour and I understand your sentiment. However, I've noticed quite a few people saying things like "AMD better improve so I can get a cheaper Nvidia card". If that is the attitude taken, how will AMD improve? They're in a completely different financial situation and it costs money to improve.

Frankly I think Nvidia users deserve the higher prices, they are after all paying for greater quality. That extra quality is obviously worth a lot, with plenty of people willing to pay that premium, since Nvidia is doing fine.

They have generally held the Performance crown and have stuff like PhysX exclusive features in some games. It feels like there are a lot more Nvidia sponsored games than AMD ones (although I've never actually counted), and there's been a long term reputation of AMD drivers being worse / there being more games that have issues on AMD cards. Whether or not that's true or false, it probably moves people towards Nvid on average.

AMD has usually had the best price/perf card on the market, if it also has the best performance in an absolute sense that should help their situation. But it's at best a temporary advantage as Nvid's tech is no slouch, it's not like every new series of cards from AMD will have an HBM-style advantage.

 

[Buggy Loop]

In my recent experiences with the 970, I've had more driver crashes with it than I had with any AMD drivers and cards in the last 3 years combined. Not an exaggeration. I'd say I had maybe ~10 driver crashes in the last 2.5 months with the 970 and the latest Nvidia drivers. I can only think of a couple of occasions in the last 3 years that my AMD drivers crashed. They had other issues like making the mouse cursor bug out...but driver crashes? Only when stress testing OC's.

AMD may not release drivers as often, but they're for damn sure more stable and reliable than what Nvidia is putting out. Fuck what anyone else tells you. I'll be happy to go back to AMD than deal with this sketchy shit. We'll see when the next Nvidia drivers are released how things go.

Whats funny is throughout the years i have owned Nvidia cards, there's basically threads on GPU forums poping up every damn driver release with the majority saying "stick with version XYZ if you have this card cause new drivers have worst performances"

But hey.. they do release them often.

 

[tuxfool]

Designed for VR immersion. Awesome. I hope it's not too loud or requires too much power.

it is the WCE edition so you can bet that it will be quiet (if that is in fact a real slide).

 

[CariusD]

Yeah, it is weird how drivers improve as time goes by.



You are aware that the reason driver download sizes generally balloon is not just because of features but also game specific hacks or corrections to improve performance. DX12 won't eliminate the need for good drivers, but it makes dependencies on thick driver optimizations less significant, as those optimizations are supposed to happen at the game/engine level, not in the driver.

DX 12 and Vulkan are great for driver stability in 3 ways.
1) What you just said
2) Because of that more time should be spent on the actual drivers
3) There is much better conformance testing this time around + earlier testing by major engine developers such as Unreal

 

[Naminator]

Just gotta be a smart consumer and reject proprietary monitor technologies.

Yeah how dare we not stick with an archaic display technology and show that there is a market for this new technology?
Thats just being a stupid consumer......

 

[El_Chino]

In my recent experiences with the 970, I've had more driver crashes with it than I had with any AMD drivers and cards in the last 3 years combined. Not an exaggeration. I'd say I had maybe ~10 driver crashes in the last 2.5 months with the 970 and the latest Nvidia drivers. I can only think of a couple of occasions in the last 3 years that my AMD drivers crashed. They had other issues like making the mouse cursor bug out...but driver crashes? Only when stress testing OC's.

AMD may not release drivers as often, but they're for damn sure more stable and reliable than what Nvidia is putting out. Fuck what anyone else tells you. I'll be happy to go back to AMD than deal with this sketchy shit. We'll see when the next Nvidia drivers are released how things go.

Good to know then.

Yeah, fuck what anyone else tells you, trust one person's experience.

That's just as stupid as when people say "I had problems with AMD drivers, therefore they're all shit".

It works both ways I guess.

 

[thuway]

I am really salty with Nvidia after the VRAM fiasco. The only thing I wish AMD had was GPU streaming to other devices natively.

 

[tuxfool]

They have generally held the Performance crown and have stuff like PhysX exclusive features in some games. It feels like there are a lot more Nvidia sponsored games than AMD ones (although I've never actually counted), and there's been a long term reputation of AMD drivers being worse / there being more games that have issues on AMD cards. Whether or not that's true or false, it probably moves people towards Nvid on average.

AMD has usually had the best price/perf card on the market, if it also has the best performance in an absolute sense that should help their situation. But it's at best a temporary advantage as Nvid's tech is no slouch, it's not like every new series of cards from AMD will have an HBM-style advantage.

All of this is true. So people shouldn't complain about Nvidia premiums, some of that money is going to those features. But there lies the rub, Nvidia gains market share so AMD cannot afford to match them on all that extra stuff, which means Nvidia can absolutely charge what they want.

In terms of performance, generally AMD (and as ATI before) has always been about cost effectiveness. Their GPU die sizes have generally been smaller than Nvidias but tended to offer the better perf per mm2.

Yeah how dare we not stick with an archaic display technology and show that there is a market for this new technology?
Thats just being a stupid consumer......

One is proprietary, the other isn't. At least that is what I think he was implying.

 

[b0uncyfr0]

For me it mainly comes down to support for a game that's newly released. I think this is AMD's biggest gripe. If this can improve then im game. Nv really do put in the effort with most new games worth playing.

I remember reading that 'Omega' was really good, but how long did people have to wait to get it? And when will the next one like that show up? There are a lot of games using Gameworks and its almost as if you know AMD cards wont be runnign them as nicely as the NV cards, which is a shame. Nv might have something to do with that as well.

 

[cyberheater]

it is the WCE edition so you can bet that it will be quiet (if that is in fact a real slide).

Thanks for the info.

 

[Fatal Futanari]

Whats funny is throughout the years i have owned Nvidia cards, there's basically threads on GPU forums poping up every damn driver release with the majority saying "stick with version XYZ if you have this card cause new drivers have worst performances"

But hey.. they do release them often.

I've ALWAYS had problems with AMD/ATI cards interms of driver issues. But I have had no issues with my Titan since launch. I guess that's part of the Titan-tax lol. Like everyone says though, everyone's experience will be different.

 

[thunder_snail]

Okay, the only experience i have with compute is folding and possibly bitcoin mining, they weren't that dependent on bandwidth.
Are you sure the bandwidth limit isnt on the pci-e maximum transfer speed of 16 GB/s ?

pci-e speed becomes a bottleneck when processing something on the cpu is faster than copying data to the device memory and back to host. But if it can be done that fast there's really not much need to to compute it on GPU anyways.

When it comes to programming for multi-core architectures like modern GPUs, the very first road block is usually the communication time between processors, which can possibly be circumvented by designing better programs. But the bandwidth wall is always there. It has been and it will always be for far future imo. Even the HBM has pathetic amount of bandwidth compared to the amount of compute power the modern chips have.

 

[xplicitone]

980 Ti, that has my attention

 

[texhnolyze]

Fantastic news. I'll definitely get a 390x in the future.
How about Nvidia 1070/1080? Aren't those going to be introduced this year as well?

 

[jim2point0]

GTX 980 SLI has better performance then a Titan x?

Did you honestly think the Titan X would outperform 2 980s?

 

[MR ARCADE FOREVER]

Did you honestly think the Titan X would outperform 2 980s?

I'm kind of a noob regarding GPU.. Also I am planning in building a Gaming pc so pardon for the "stupid question..
😅

 

[Bashtee]

They have generally held the Performance crown and have stuff like PhysX exclusive features in some games.

Performance crown usually changes between AMD and Nvidia every 6 months or so. We get the new Titan and 390X, a new Nvidia card topping this and then a 395X and the cycle repeats. Looks a bit different with CPUs, though.

Could be just my imagination, but do we see shorter cycles between new GPU generations? Feels like it took a longer time during the PS360 era to see new releases.

 

[wachie]

What the heck is this graph even testing. 19 what? Screw Chiphell and screw WCCFTech.

yeah, i'm not even sure why this is a thread now ..

 

[Souldestroyer Reborn]

Would the fact that this generation of consoles are AMD help them in regards to new game releases not being as hamstrung compared to nVidia?

With the games being designed for consoles I thought the code would transfer over to AMD GPU PC's much smoother?

Spoiler

I have no idea what I'm talking about.

 

[Projectjustice]

This is impressive. I was planning to get another 290 and Crossfire. However, if the 390x is using HBM 3D stack memory. I think im going to upgrade instead.

 

[The Shogun]

Would the fact that this generation of consoles are AMD help them in regards to new game releases not being as hamstrung compared to nVidia?

With the games being designed for consoles I thought the code would transfer over to AMD GPU PC's much smoother?

Spoiler

I have no idea what I'm talking about.

This is a good question and something I've been wondering. I've never bought AMD before so I'm no authority on this but it would seem like the consoles all having AMD cards already would certainly bode well for ports on PC with AMD cards.

 

[SuperEpicGuy]

Eh, only 36% improvement over the 780ti, waiting for something at least double of it. But doesn't 980 have all cores unlocked?

I'm kind of a noob regarding GPU.. Also I am planning in building a Gaming pc so pardon for the "stupid question..
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High end gpu's only differ by 15-30% at the highest. 970 vs 980 for example. 970 is 13% weaker yet around 300$ cheaper.

 

[HariKari]

Are these new AMD cards still going to have cooling issues?

 

[finalflame]

Are these new AMD cards still going to have cooling issues?

Hold on, let me get my magic eight ball.

In all seriousness, nobody knows anything about AMD's new cards for certain. So maybe, maybe not.

 

[hodgy100]

Are these new AMD cards still going to have cooling issues?

Just don't get the stock cooler and you will be golden?

 

[Shark Attack]

Are these new AMD cards still going to have cooling issues?

390X is code named 390x WCE ie Water Cooling Edition... ie 1000000000000$

There is still hope!

Last line there is a typo, fake as hell

 

[MrCunningham]

Even if true, watch Nvidia use the Titan's VRAM size in comparisons, "justifying" its price.

To be honest, I think this is a justifiable enough reason. But I guess Fiji is planned to have high bandwidth stacked RAM.

If the price is right I might make the jump to AMD. But I do dual boot a lot into Linux and that always seems to be a barrier for me with the AMD drivers.

 

[Inuhanyou]

One thing i've always wondered(and if someone could help me out that would be great), is the FLOP issue.

PS4 and XB1 are AMD GPU's. Their floppage count is well documented, 1.84 vs 1.31. But do their GPU's perfectly scale to AMD's version of FLOPS? Because i know Nvidia's FLOPS metrics are different and they get better performance with less FLOPS than AMD.

I'm just wondering if the same scale for AMD GPU's is the same for the PS4 and XB1

 

[Kevyt]

I am really salty with Nvidia after the VRAM fiasco. The only thing I wish AMD had was GPU streaming to other devices natively.

Me too. I do not trust NVIDIA anymore. They clearly lied to consumers about the specs of the 970.

I've had a 290 and 290x and have not experienced any problems as far as drivers go. In fact, drivers support has been fantastic from AMD.

I love the fact that I can downsample old games from 3k to 1080p with my 290x. I can't do this on the 970 sadly.

AMD has won me over.

One thing i've always wondered(and if someone could help me out that would be great), is the FLOP issue.

PS4 and XB1 are AMD GPU's. Their floppage count is well documented, 1.84 vs 1.31. But do their GPU's perfectly scale to AMD's version of FLOPS? Because i know Nvidia's FLOPS metrics are different and they get better performance with less FLOPS than AMD.

I'm just wondering if the same scale for AMD GPU's is the same for the PS4 and XB1

It's all down to architecture though. Maxwell is a more efficient architecture.

 

[badb0y]

As someone who frequently switches between the 2 GPU vendors I want to say a few things:

• AMD and nVidia essentially have had the same quality of drivers for the past....3 years or so now.
• nVidia does offer more extra features such as PhysX, G-SYNC, 3D etc.
• nVidia has been amazingly power efficient for the past 2 years.

I am the owner of GTX 780s in SLI but I don't plan on buying another nVidia card for a while. I can't believe they dropped optimization of the Kepler line as soon as Maxwell was launched. Recent benchmarks puts AMD 7970 Ghz within 10% of a GTX 780 which itself is trailing the 290/290X in games. Extremely disappointed man.

 

[Renekton]

PS4 and XB1 are AMD GPU's. Their floppage count is well documented, 1.84 vs 1.31. But do their GPU's perfectly scale to AMD's version of FLOPS? Because i know Nvidia's FLOPS metrics are different and they get better performance with less FLOPS than AMD.

I'm just wondering if the same scale for AMD GPU's is the same for the PS4 and XB1

I don't know the answer but I think everybody overinflates FLOP. It's also not representative because vendors will measure it by spamming the processor's most optimized task that has no bearing on real-world workloads. Back in 2006, Nvidia gave a sweet FLOP number for the PS3 RSX, and it turned out to be weaksauce needing Cell SPU to offload work.

 

[Inuhanyou]

I don't know the answer but I think everybody overinflates FLOP. It's also not representative because vendors will measure it by spamming the processor's most optimized task that has no bearing on real-world workloads. Back in 2006, Nvidia gave a sweet FLOP number for the PS3 RSX, and it turned out to be weaksauce needing Cell SPU to offload work.

Is that the infamous "our processor has 1tflop of performance" shit that was around at the time that MS then felt the need to try and one up with their own BS graphs about tflop performance?

 

[scitek]

Is Radeonpro still a thing? If so, is it regularly updated? I remember a two year gap between updates at one point. Inspector is one of the things that I like about Nvidia.

 

[hwateber]

As someone who frequently switches between the 2 GPU vendors I want to say a few things:

• AMD and nVidia essentially have had the same quality of drivers for the past....3 years or so now.
• nVidia does offer more extra features such as PhysX, G-SYNC, 3D etc.
• nVidia has been amazingly power efficient for the past 2 years.

I am the owner of GTX 780s in SLI but I don't plan on buying another nVidia card for a while. I can't believe they dropped optimization of the Kepler line as soon as Maxwell was launched. Recent benchmarks puts AMD 7970 Ghz within 10% of a GTX 780 which itself is trailing the 290/290X in games. Extremely disappointed man.

Yup, loving my 290 right now. Really can't be beat for how cheap you can get them these days

 

[DevilFox]

Good to see my 970 below the middle of the list, already.
After 7 years with AMD (ATI ) I want to stick with nVidia for a good 5 years at least, so I'm not interested unless they're extremely power efficient and reasonable in size.

 

[pestul]

I am really salty with Nvidia after the VRAM fiasco. The only thing I wish AMD had was GPU streaming to other devices natively.

Streaming to any device vs shield would put me back into AMDs camp pretty quickly (after I wear out this 970).

 

[AJLma]

If these benchmarks are true, I can see AMD releasing this card at $800-$900. In which case, I might skip both this and the titan and instead SLI a pair of 970s.

 

[Cow Mengde]

AMD has usually had the best price/perf card on the market, if it also has the best performance in an absolute sense that should help their situation.

This is what I look for in a card. I've been switching back and forth for this reason. Right now I'm looking to switch cards not because of performance, but because of the vendor. My card is just too noisy and I hate noise. I like my cards to be quiet, cool, and efficient.

 

[Devildoll]

pci-e speed becomes a bottleneck when processing something on the cpu is faster than copying data to the device memory and back to host. But if it can be done that fast there's really not much need to to compute it on GPU anyways.

I was imagining more of as situation where you had more data than vram.

When it comes to programming for multi-core architectures like modern GPUs, the very first road block is usually the communication time between processors, which can possibly be circumvented by designing better programs. But the bandwidth wall is always there. It has been and it will always be for far future imo. Even the HBM has pathetic amount of bandwidth compared to the amount of compute power the modern chips have.

Oh, well if we need levels of magnitudes more bandwidth, not even HMB is going is going to be a quick fix for it.

 

[Momentary]

I feel embarrassed for the people getting hype over WCCFTech news with fake slides and benchmarks. Videocardz.com is right there with them. Making shit up and not crediting the source of actual viable news they steal from people until they get called out for it.

 

[Herne]

Really can't wait for these cards. My 7970 GE is still doing very well, but my bi-annual upgrade is coming up anyway and if the power of these hold true to the rumours, I probably won't need to upgrade that for three years.

8GB variant for me! Though wasn't their rumours of their HBM implementation not being ready to deliver more than 4GB yet?

 

[Hip Hop]

Anybody got any ideas as to how much a GM200 cut down would cost?

 

[tuxfool]

I feel embarrassed for the people getting hype over WCCFTech news with fake slides and benchmarks. Videocardz.com is right there with them. Making shit up and not crediting the source of actual viable news they steal from people.

People are just speculating here. I don't think anyone takes the info here as canonical.

 

[Shark Attack]

Anybody got any ideas as to how much a GM200 cut down would cost?

649-699 ala 780 launch price

 

[Momentary]

People are just speculating here. I don't think anyone takes the info here as canonical.

It look like there are a good amount of people that are chanting about this crap as if it's true. It just pisses me off that sites like chiphell, videocardz, and wccftech get used as sources for shit like this. It does nothing except misinform people. Also, a release date of March 16th which is tomorrow? Please.

 

[RenegadeXV8]

I'm pretty sure most of the people are chanting about this crap as if it's true. It just pisses me off that sites like chiphell, videocardz, and wccftech get used as sources for shit like this that does nothing except misinform people.

Well to be fair, the Chiphell 980 performance leaks ended up being true, and everyone thought those were fake.

 

[xet72]

I'm excited about 390x and this will be a day one purchase for me. I kinda owe AMD as I made a few thousand from cryptocurrency (mostly bitcoin & litecoin) on my Radeon 5870s, 7950s, and 7970s. Just a lil mining got me my ps4 upcoming 390x and plenty left over. I hope the 390x is like the second coming of the ATI Radeon 9800pro.

Never had any game breaking problem with AMD drivers. Of my over 50+ vid cards I have purchased only 2 that failed on me were Nvidia. And old school geforce ddr and a laptop w/ nvidia's "bumpgate". I didn't get on the settlement for nvidia defective bumpgate laptops. Thanks to amd mining i was able to buy cash two 970 nvidia 3.5gb edition cards , return them and will be looking forward to the settlement this time as they jacked me last time. screw nvidia

 

[PLASTICA-MAN]

Woot!!!! R9 390X is HBM newer tech and cheaper while Nvidia is late now. Damn! Why didin't NVidia show their Pascal cards instead of teh GTX Titan X !

 

[tuxfool]

Why didin't NVidia show thei Pascal cards instead of teh GTX Titan X !

Uh, because they're not ready and won't be for another year?

 

[pestul]

I don't believe the graphs to be true.. 390x should be even faster