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[Amir0x]

I don't know. It's hard to believe it's real since the previous game just came out and the previous game was rushed and didn't even get a full dev cycle according to the Koei guy who said he was given 18 months.
You'd think the next game would take some time. Also the II in the logo looks kind of bad.

But then it's SE and it's impossible to understand anything they do anymore, so maybe it's real.

you say rushed, but I thought it was getting some really strong buzz on neoGAF for its high quality? I know Shouta (I believe) was really happy with how it turned out.

Does its quality reflect its rushed nature? If it was rushed though, maybe they're just doing the same to quickly churn out a second sequel since the engine and many enemy models and assets are in place.

 

[Kagari]

Yeah I mean I expected eventually, but it's just so soon after DQ Heroes came out in JPN (it's not even out in US yet) that I was surprised to see they'd do it already. Was it that successful?

Yeah it did really well on both PS3 and PS4.

 

[sense]

you say rushed, but I thought it was getting some really strong buzz on neoGAF for its high quality? I know Shouta (I believe) was really happy with how it turned out.

Does its quality reflect its rushed nature? If it was rushed though, maybe they're just doing the same to quickly churn out a second sequel since the engine and many enemy models and assets are in place.

agreed to why it is being rushed. the first game seems to be appreciated by a lot of people and sold well so a sequel might just need some minor improvements on an existing engine and assets.

 

[Shizuka]

what makes you think they will ignore the vita? a lot of games are coming over. yes i agree they are probably not developing anything in house for vita could be a reason but they tried in the initial years and they weren't worth it for them to invest in big budget titles for vita. it sucks but thats reality. atleast they continue to get smaller games to come to vita on a consistent basis.

Looks like sony has a hand in dqh coming over only for ps4 to get people to upgrade and also ps3 is dying a quick death worldwide so I am sure they will have them bring out the ps vita version of the second one as well. vita games for the majority have been localized and doesn't cannibalize ps4 sales.

They are certainly not ignoring the system. Just recently they released Deadman's Cross for vita out of nowhere. Expect anything.

In the West, pretty sure they'll ignore the Vita is most or all occasions. Deadman's Cross came out because we already had the localization from the iOS/Android versions. What about SaGa and DQH2? We could get the iOS-to-Vita ports if only because they might be localized for the iOS release.

 

[Valentus]

its gonna be the first game with some tweaks and a new staff of companions. So many characters of the dragon quest universe were left behind in the first game.

 

[Prelude.]

its gonna be the first game with some tweaks and a new staff of companions. So many characters of the dragon quest universe were left behind in the first game.

If that was the case it wouldn't be DQH "2" but "plus" or whatever.

 

[Amir0x]

agreed to why it is being rushed. the first game seems to be appreciated by a lot of people and sold well so a sequel might just need some minor improvements on an existing engine and assets.

Yeah, it must have been too tempting for SquareEnix not to immediately capitalize on a sequel then if the first game did as well as people keep saying. The assets are already largely made. Just make a few more new bosses, bring over a few new DQ enemies and then create some fancy new layouts and maybe a new gameplay feature or two and voila already a sequel

Yeah it did really well on both PS3 and PS4.

Ah, interesting. Must make SquareEnix even more anxious to get their PS4 Dragon Quest XI announced.

I'm curious to know if it'll do any good in the USA. But it seems it turned out well and is really quite attractive, so I'm eager to try it out whenever it comes.

 

[18-Volt]

In the West, pretty sure they'll ignore the Vita is most or all occasions. Deadman's Cross came out because we already had the localization from the iOS/Android versions. What about SaGa and DQH2? We could get the iOS-to-Vita ports if only because they might be localized for the iOS release.

With same logic, we could say same thing for DQH2. It's not coming only for Vita you know.

If that was the case it wouldn't be DQH "2" but "plus" or whatever.

In this case it could either be Dragon Quest Heroes Empires or Dragon Quest Heroes Xtreme.

 

[Flunkie]

localization...?

 

[RangerBAD]

Reused assets incoming just like all Musou games.

 

[Bebpo]

you say rushed, but I thought it was getting some really strong buzz on neoGAF for its high quality? I know Shouta (I believe) was really happy with how it turned out.

Does its quality reflect its rushed nature? If it was rushed though, maybe they're just doing the same to quickly churn out a second sequel since the engine and many enemy models and assets are in place.

agreed to why it is being rushed. the first game seems to be appreciated by a lot of people and sold well so a sequel might just need some minor improvements on an existing engine and assets.

I don't mean rushed as a knock to the game. I mean the director or producer in an interview straight up said "normally to make a musou crossover game we have 2-3 years and SE said we'll let you do it if you get it on store shelves in 18 months and it was a rush and struggle to find a way to do that but we did and I'm happy".

And while I like the game (lukewarmly; not a fan of the tower defense genre and it's a tower defense musou as well as being a slowish musou), there's pretty clear signs of the rush at least from the technical side as the game constantly drops frames and even the base ship small area is nowhere near 60fps.

But yeah, it seems fine for a first outing. Usually the first games in these musou series are a bit rough and get better with sequels. Like One Piece 1 is ughghhhh, but by 3 it's a super polished series. Gundam 1 was not too rough, but still a little whereas 3 is super polished with great clean graphics, fast gameplay, nice sub-systems, great roster. So I'm sure by DQ Heroes 3 it'll be even better.

 

[sense]

If that was the case it wouldn't be DQH "2" but "plus" or whatever.

lol lets be real, naming it 2 is better for sales. i just hope they take a break after the second one because it will turn into one piece and decline in huge numbers.

 

[wilflare]

ready for the #BestOnVita action

 

[sense]

In the West, pretty sure they'll ignore the Vita is most or all occasions. Deadman's Cross came out because we already had the localization from the iOS/Android versions. What about SaGa and DQH2? We could get the iOS-to-Vita ports if only because they might be localized for the iOS release.

man, you are way too negative. sony may not be making big budget games for it but they have been doing a good job bring a lot of smaller games to vita and similar games like toukiden, dynasty warriors, one piece are also localized on vita. the worst thing could possibly be that they are digital only in the west.

edit: oh wait you may be talking about square enix, even tho i still feel this will come over on vita with some nudging from sony

Spoiler

Believe

 

[DannyDanger]

So this is real?

 

[Amir0x]

I don't mean rushed as a knock to the game. I mean the director or producer in an interview straight up said "normally to make a musou crossover game we have 2-3 years and SE said we'll let you do it if you get it on store shelves in 18 months and it was a rush and struggle to find a way to do that but we did and I'm happy".

And while I like the game (lukewarmly; not a fan of the tower defense genre and it's a tower defense musou as well as being a slowish musou), there's pretty clear signs of the rush at least from the technical side as the game constantly drops frames and even the base ship small area is nowhere near 60fps.

But yeah, it seems fine for a first outing. Usually the first games in these musou series are a bit rough and get better with sequels. Like One Piece 1 is ughghhhh, but by 3 it's a super polished series. Gundam 1 was not too rough, but still a little whereas 3 is super polished with great clean graphics, fast gameplay, nice sub-systems, great roster. So I'm sure by DQ Heroes 3 it'll be even better.

Thanks for the detail. I always know you're great for impressions of import games.

Of course we both know the real fun don't start to DQ Heroes 4, when they start implementing the horse warrior system.

 

[Damerman]

Reused assets incoming just like all Musou games.

smh...So true... I'll never understand the demand for these types of games.

 

[RangerBAD]

Thanks for the detail. I always know you're great for impressions of import games.

Of course we both know the real fun don't start to DQ Heroes 4, when they start implementing the horse warrior system.

For a Dragon Quest game though it'll be a wagon system.

smh...So true... I'll never understand the demand for these types of games.

Hey, I want to play DQH. It's just obvious that it'll get reused assets if they're already making the game. lol

 

[Wario64]

PlayStation JP tweets

https://twitter.com/PlayStation_jp/status/583434946989039617

 

[Takao]

It's real: http://www.dragonquest.jp/heroes2/

https://twitter.com/PlayStation_jp/statuses/583434946989039617

 

[crinale]

http://www.dragonquest.jp/heroes2/

It's real.

Edit: Beaten again.

 

[threelights]

Welp, that's that.

Hopefully it's an actual sequel and not an expansion disguised as a sequel =P

 

[Cmagus]

http://www.dragonquest.jp/heroes2/

It's real.

Edit: Beaten again.

Awesome, glad this is true and I was wrong.

 

[Corgi]

wait... what was the last game that had the sequel announced a month after the previous game came out?

 

[Amir0x]

It's real: http://www.dragonquest.jp/heroes2/

https://twitter.com/PlayStation_jp/statuses/583434946989039617

haha, awesome

Now just come out in North America already

 

[Shizuka]

I wonder if SCEA/SCEE would have any pull on publishing the PS3 and Vita versions of the game, since the localization for the PS4 version is pretty much guaranteed.

 

[JordanN]

It's real: http://www.dragonquest.jp/heroes2/

https://twitter.com/PlayStation_jp/statuses/583434946989039617

So why even buy the first game now? :/

Edit: I feel like these types of games are too close to each other in content, to bother owning the first one.

 

[Amir0x]

So why even buy the first game now? :/

The sequel will likely already contain the original content plus more.

Why would the sequel contain the original content (they'll share assets, but almost all sequels on same platforms do)?

You buy a sequel for the same reason you buy many sequels.. you get completely new scenarios based off a foundation of gameplay that has already proven itself to be fun to you. You get new enemies, new gameplay features and abilities and new levels.

It's not like they're going to flop the first game's scenario inside this one. They'll both be different and have different stories and some differences in features. And that difference is why you buy the first and second games and sequels in general.

 

[hongcha]

So why even buy the first game now? :/

Because it is fun?

The sequel will likely contain the original content plus more.

Why in the world would you think that. How many SE sequels include the original game plus more?

 

[Hexa]

So why even buy the first game now? :/

The sequel will likely contain the original content plus more.

I doubt that. Its called 2 after all, so I think it'll be a full fledged sequel.

 

[Lyte Edge]

And while I like the game (lukewarmly; not a fan of the tower defense genre and it's a tower defense musou as well as being a slowish musou), there's pretty clear signs of the rush at least from the technical side as the game constantly drops frames and even the base ship small area is nowhere near 60fps.

But yeah, it seems fine for a first outing. Usually the first games in these musou series are a bit rough and get better with sequels. Like One Piece 1 is ughghhhh, but by 3 it's a super polished series. Gundam 1 was not too rough, but still a little whereas 3 is super polished with great clean graphics, fast gameplay, nice sub-systems, great roster. So I'm sure by DQ Heroes 3 it'll be even better.

I agree with everything you said, except that while I've become a big musou fan over the past few years and will play just about any of them, this game has already been shelved because the other musou titles that have been released recently are better in my book. The frequency of these releases is nuts. There are periods where there will be 1-2 new titles a month. Just recently there was Sengoku Musou 4-II, Dragon Quest Heroes, and One Piece Kaizoku Musou 3. I'm not going to give up entirely on DQH just yet, but at the same time, with a sequel already announced I don't feel like I'd be missing out on anything if I sold it off and waited for that instead.

 

[Xenus]

haha, awesome

Now just come out in North America already

I stll don't understand why vita for II but not for the original. It seems like it's one of those things that either should have been done with the first one or not at all. Adding plaforms randomnly right after a successful release for the sequel is just weird.

 

[JordanN]

Why would the sequel contain the original content (they'll share assets, but almost all sequels on same platforms do)?

You buy a sequel for the same reason you buy many sequels.. you get completely new scenarios based off a foundation of gameplay that has already proven itself to be fun to you. You get new enemies, new gameplay features and abilities and new levels.

It's not like they're going to flop the first game's scenario inside this one. They'll both be different and have different stories and some differences in features. And that difference is why you buy the first and second games and sequels in general.

For a game like this, how much would the sequel really differ by?

If it has the same characters it's essentially making the original game null. I don't think story will be anything major. "Instead of fighting blue boss, you fight red boss now!"

Why in the world would you think that. How many SE sequels include the original game plus more?

I should have clarified. I don't mean they'll literally put all of the first game in the sequel. But I guess I'll wait and see how the two games differ from each other.

 

[Amir0x]

For a game like this, how much would the sequel really differ by?

Having the same characters is essentially making the original game null. I don't think story will be anything major. "Instead of fighting blue boss, you fight red boss now!"

I gotta say I do not understand your concept of what a sequel is.

Tons of sequels have the same characters. But they do not render the origins obsolete.
Tons of movies continue the story of established characters. They too do not render the originals obsolete.

A sequel usual is a game that builds upon an established foundation to deliver a new story based on already proven gameplay and ideals. They usually end up adding some new features to the gameplay systems, some new characters you can play as, some new abilities you can utilize and of course a brand new plot. On top of that, the levels will also be different and there will obviously be new enemies.

This is a new game. It's a sequel. It does not render the original obsolete. They both have completely different scenarios

 

[Stereogatari]

Colour me surprised. The PS Vita version made me think this might be an April Fools.

 

[zeopower6]

Woah, this is unexpected.

 

[Ventara]

Oh wow, so it's real? What are the chances of the Vita version getting localized?

 

[Lyte Edge]

For a game like this, how much would the sequel really differ by?

Having the same characters is essentially making the original game null. I don't think story will be anything major. "Instead of fighting blue boss, you fight red boss now!"

Sengoku Musou 4 is a good example of how they handle 'new' games. The original came out in March 2014 for PS3 and Vita. It was then ported to the PS4 and released in September 2014.

A few months later, in December 2014, the game's assets were used to make Sengoku Musou Chronicle 3, which was released for the Vita and 3DS. The game play was slightly different (more strategy oriented, as you control/command up to four characters in real time) and the story was changed up.

Then in February of this year, they released Sengoku Musou 4-II for PS3, PS4, and Vita. 4-II only adds in one new character and recycles a ton of content. There are new levels and stories added, however, balancing, and character leveling/progression was overhauled. They also took a mode straight from Chronicle 3, Infinite Castle, and added it into the game.

So in less than one year, there were three versions of one game and a port to another console. There's also rumblings of a PC port coming.

I would assume that Dragon Quest Heroes II will probably follow the Sengoku Musou 4-II route. You'll see plenty of re-used assets, but there will be a new story and they'll add in characters/game play. If you don't care about the story stuff, of which DQH has more than your typical musou, then I would just skip the original and wait for the sequel. The only bad musou sequel I've played in recent heroes was Fist Of The North Star: Ken's Rage 2. And that wasn't made by Omega Force.

 

[Xenus]

Colour me surprised. The PS Vita version made me think this might be an April Fools.

Indeed but SE and logic don't exactly go together of late. The sequel is logical the let's not only make it crossgen but add the vita makes sense from a sales perpective in Japan. The why now for Vita is what makes no sense. Why not the original? It can't be pushing people towards PS4 excuse if the sequel doesn't push them more towards it. All I get out of it is something something building Dragon Quest back on the Playstation ecosystem. But with Square Enix I fully expect just when you think they arre going full bore DQ on the playstation they will announce something 3DS or Wii U cause why not..

 

[Lyte Edge]

Another thing to note here is the lawsuit, from last year, in which Capcom basically claimed copyright infringement on Koei's "XL" games. This is most likely why we got Sengoku Musou 4-II instead of Sengoku Musou 4 XL and would also explain why Dragon Quest Heroes II might come out so quickly (I would bet on it being at the end of the year or early next year, if that counts as quick) after the first game.

 

[Parakeetman]

I don't know. It's hard to believe it's real since the previous game just came out and the previous game was rushed and didn't even get a full dev cycle according to the Koei guy who said he was given 18 months.
You'd think the next game would take some time. Also the II in the logo looks kind of bad.

But then it's SE and it's impossible to understand anything they do anymore, so maybe it's real.

The previous game still came out and it was in quite good quality. Or you just trying to do your usual chicken little act?

 

[Jimmyfenix]

Oh wow so this is real

 

[ascii42]

I gotta say I do not understand your concept of what a sequel is.

Tons of sequels have the same characters. But they do not render the origins obsolete.
Tons of movies continue the story of established characters. They too do not render the originals obsolete.

A sequel usual is a game that builds upon an established foundation to deliver a new story based on already proven gameplay and ideals. They usually end up adding some new features to the gameplay systems, some new characters you can play as, some new abilities you can utilize and of course a brand new plot. On top of that, the levels will also be different and there will obviously be new enemies.

This is a new game. It's a sequel. It does not render the original obsolete. They both have completely different scenarios

Though I agree with you in this case, there are definitely some genres of video games where sequels can render the previous game obsolete, namely fighting, racing, and sports games. Or at least, that's usually the objective. People can often prefer a specific version's mechanics over its successor.

 

[Lyte Edge]

The previous game still came out and it was in quite good quality. Or you just trying to do your usual chicken little act?

Bebpo's reactions to framerates in some of these games may be exaggerated at times, but he's not necessarily wrong here. The game could have been optimized a bit better.

 

[Ray Down]

Horri better add Debora this time around.

 

[Parakeetman]

I gotta say I do not understand your concept of what a sequel is.

Tons of sequels have the same characters. But they do not render the origins obsolete.
Tons of movies continue the story of established characters. They too do not render the originals obsolete.

A sequel usual is a game that builds upon an established foundation to deliver a new story based on already proven gameplay and ideals. They usually end up adding some new features to the gameplay systems, some new characters you can play as, some new abilities you can utilize and of course a brand new plot. On top of that, the levels will also be different and there will obviously be new enemies.

This is a new game. It's a sequel. It does not render the original obsolete. They both have completely different scenarios

Perfect reply.

 

[LuuKyK]

Why would the sequel contain the original content (they'll share assets, but almost all sequels on same platforms do)?

Dissidia Duodecim and Theathrythm Curtain Call say hi. Not saying that I think it will follow the same idea, just that it wouldn't be a first for Square.

 

[Stone Ocean]

I gotta say I do not understand your concept of what a sequel is.

Tons of sequels have the same characters. But they do not render the origins obsolete.
Tons of movies continue the story of established characters. They too do not render the originals obsolete.

A sequel usual is a game that builds upon an established foundation to deliver a new story based on already proven gameplay and ideals. They usually end up adding some new features to the gameplay systems, some new characters you can play as, some new abilities you can utilize and of course a brand new plot. On top of that, the levels will also be different and there will obviously be new enemies.

This is a new game. It's a sequel. It does not render the original obsolete. They both have completely different scenarios

Yeah, are people expecting the sequel to have the first game's content? lol

Dissidia Duodecim and Theathrythm Curtain Call say hi. Not saying I think it will follow the same idea, just that wouldn't be a first for Square.

Those are revisions, not sequels

If 012 was called Dissidia 2 you'd have a case

 

[Lyte Edge]

Yeah, are people expecting the sequel to have the first game's content? lol

Please read my previous post on the lawsuit between Capcom and Koei. It's entirely possible that the "sequel" could end up being a remix, of sorts, of the original game, with more content added.

 

[crinale]

https://twitter.com/DQ_HEROES/status/583446021843226624

This will not be an expansion of the first game.