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Gay Honor student cant wear tux to prom. "Girls wear dresses and boys wear tuxes"

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It is embarassing that schools are still trying to pull this crap. If they had let this girl go to prom nobody would have cared. Now they invite a shitstorm of bad PR in a Streisand Effect. Its easy to dismiss this as being Louisiana but thats too easy. I hope this gets some national exposure.

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MONROE, La. — An openly gay student and top academic scholar at a Louisiana high school won't attend the prom this year because the school won't allow her to wear a tuxedo.

The school says it's simply a dress code, but Carroll High School senior Claudetteia Love said the prohibition is more about her sexual orientation than her fashion choices.
Friday, she sat quietly crying in her living room as she talked about missing one of the signature events of her senior year. The prom is April 24.

"I told my mom, 'They're using me. They put me in all these honors and advanced placement classes so I can take all of these tests and get good grades and better the school, but when it's time for me to celebrate the fact that I've accomplished what I need to accomplish and I'm about to graduate, they don't want to let me do it, the way I want to,' " she said.

Last year, Love was one of a group of students presented in a Monroe City School Board meeting as part of the school's high-achieving medical magnet program.In a school that has a failing school performance score, Love is one of the academic superstars. She will represent the school at the annual Scholars' Banquet, an event for the top students in Ouachita Parish.

Geraldine Jackson, Love's mom, said she talked to Principal Patrick Taylor about the school's rule of no tuxes for girls.

"He said that the faculty that is working the prom told him they weren't going to work the prom if (girls) were going to wear tuxes," she said. "That's his exact words. 'Girls wear dresses and boys wear tuxes, and that's the way it is.' "

On Friday, Taylor said the decision was simply a dress code and not anything personal against any student.

"I feel like he's taking his values and throwing them on my daughter because of what her preference is and what she represents," Jackson said.

Love's sister, Mignon, said she's overheard faculty talking about the prom rule.

"It's not about how they dress," she said. "They're judging them. They are at school talking about being gay is a sin. Everybody sins. The only person who can judge is God; you can't judge them."

Love hadn't intended to take a date to the prom but wanted to attend with a group of friends who have also now chosen not to attend because of the no-tux rule. She says a petition by members of the senior class to change the rule wasn't acted on by faculty.

But there may be hope yet.

After hearing of Love's plight, Monroe City School Board President Rodney McFarland contacted The News-Star to say that he will take action on Love's behalf.

McFarland said he will contact Superintendent Brent Vidrine and request that he discuss the rule with the school's principal.

"As school board president, I don't agree with Carroll banning her from her prom just because of what she wants to wear -- that's discrimination," he said. "As far as I know there is no Monroe City School Board policy saying what someone has to wear to attend the prom. You can't just go making up policies."
Love has resolved to use her experience to make a difference for others.

"There are other girls in lower grades than me, and I want for them when they come up to not to have to feel like they aren't accepted," Love said. "I don't want them to feel like they are less of a person because people don't accept them. There are people in the world that won't accept you but they don't have to be so judgmental and make you feel like you're less of a person and that you shouldn't express yourself."

Following graduation, Love will attend Jackson State University on a full academic scholarship

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/04/04/gay-honor-student-told-wear-tux-prom/25317113/
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Bubba T

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So....what does this have to do with her being gay?

Doesn't sound like they are discriminating against her because of her sexual orientation, they just want to maintain a dress code for their event.

Sounds like a sensationalist article to me.
 

Frodo

Member
My question is: what will change in your life if a girl wears a tuxedo in her prom?

How is that going to affect you? Why even bother?
 

Corpekata

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So....what does this have to do with her being gay?

Doesn't sound like they are discriminating against her because of her sexual orientation, they just want to maintain a dress code for their event.

Sounds like a sensationalist article to me.

The staff are refusing to work if a girl wears a tux. Surely it is because they are sticklers for dress codes.
 

Apt101

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Two gay girls attended my prom back in 1998 in tuxedos - Virginia. I thought we had moved past this.

*sees it's in LA*

Oh.
 

DeathyBoy

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So....what does this have to do with her being gay?

Doesn't sound like they are discriminating against her because of her sexual orientation, they just want to maintain a dress code for their event.

Sounds like a sensationalist article to me.

The tuxedo says tuxedos or dresses. She's wearing a tuxedo. I don't see how that's not maintaining their dress code. And I'm pretty sure there's no official policy that says 'women have to wear dresses.'
 
My question is: what will change in your life if a girl wears a tuxedo in her prom?

How is that going to affect you? Why even bother?
It's those kind of people that refuse to make an exception in any case and keep pointing at the rules when you try using logic.

"B-but rules!"
 
So....what does this have to do with her being gay?

Doesn't sound like they are discriminating against her because of her sexual orientation, they just want to maintain a dress code for their event.

Sounds like a sensationalist article to me.

Love's sister, Mignon, said she's overheard faculty talking about the prom rule.

"It's not about how they dress," she said. "They're judging them. They are at school talking about being gay is a sin. Everybody sins. The only person who can judge is God; you can't judge them."

Her sexuality is the origin of their making up policy on the spot. But even if youbreject that then its school trying to enforce some outdated gender typing. Neither is acceptable. Its 2015. We moved beyond this crap.
 

Dryk

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My ex was straight as an arrow and never wore a dress in her life. Some people just prefer to wear suits and I don't understand why this sexist bullshit needs to persist in this day and age.
 

Cilla

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I don't see the issue. There is a dress code, stick to it, you're not a special snowflake.

I feel like you are going to be abused.

I agree with you though! It's the dress code. Is it really hurting anybody? If the rules told me I had to wear a dress, I would. If the rules said suit.. I would. I don't see the big deal.

Where whatever you like outside of this occasion.

The rules were the same where I went. That't just part of going there.. I think.
 

jerd

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I don't see the issue. There is a dress code, stick to it, you're not a special snowflake.

Lol good god she's not asking to go in sweatpants or the nude. She's asking to wear what she's comfortable in just like EVERY OTHER PERSON THERE

Can you guys actually justify the rule or is your whole stance just "rules is rules"
 

Razmos

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I feel like you are going to be abused.

I agree with you though! It's the dress code. Is it really hurting anybody? If the rules told me I had to wear a dress, I would. If the rules said suit.. I would. I don't see the big deal.

Where whatever you like outside of this occasion.

The rules were the same where I went. That't just part of going there.. I think.
Yeah no, sorry. Some women don't feel comfortable wearing dresses and would rather not. Who are you or anyone else to impose what they should, or should not wear.

It's sexist, pure and simple.
 
I don't see the issue. There is a dress code, stick to it, you're not a special snowflake.

The School Board president said there is no dress code. But nevermind that even if there were it shouldnt be one that should be allowed to stand.
 

Bubba T

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The staff are refusing to work if a girl wears a tux. Surely it is because they are sticklers for dress codes.
If there is a policy that says you can't wear something to an event, you have to follow the rules of that establishment. The school board president says there is no rule as far as he knows, but apparently its been a rule at that school for some time.



The tuxedo says tuxedos or dresses. She's wearing a tuxedo. I don't see how that's not maintaining their dress code. And I'm pretty sure there's no official policy that says 'women have to wear dresses.'

Where does it say that in the article? The only thing I see is the Principal saying tuxes for guys, dresses for girls. Nothing definitive.

The School Board president said there is no dress code. But nevermind that even if there were it shouldnt be one that should be allowed to stand.

No, the school board president says there is no board policy on prom dress code as far as he knows. Individual schools can have their own policies separate from board polices.
 

Frodo

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*stupid rules is put on place*

*people just stick with it because "it's the rule"*

Seriously. I hope you guys are the exception, because we are all screwed if most of the people has this mindset.

Just to clarify: there is NO "Boys were tux Girls wear dresses" dress-code. There is Formal dress code, there is casual, there is smart. In NONE of them the gender dictates what should be worn.

SMH.
 

TCRS

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Lol good god she's not asking to go in sweatpants or the nude. She's asking to wear what she's comfortable in just like EVERY OTHER PERSON THERE

Can you guys actually justify the rule or is your whole stance just "rules is rules"

what makes you think everyone is comfortable in a tux or dress? I doubt most of them are.

do you have any other argument other than "b-but it's 2015!!" ? I would say sticking to the rules and stop whining based on nothing is a pretty solid argument.
 

Cilla

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Yeah no, sorry. Some women don't feel comfortable wearing dresses and would rather not. Who are you or anyone else to impose what they should, or should not wear.

It's sexist, pure and simple.

I just don't think a dress code is that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things. I mean I have no problem with her wearing a tux or whatever she likes. It doesn't affect me. I just don't think the fact that they want the dress code to be upheld bad.
 
what makes you think everyone is comfortable in a tux or dress? I doubt most of them are.

do you have any other argument other than "b-but it's 2015!!" ? I would say sticking to the rules and stop asking for exceptions based on nothing is a pretty solid argument.

Whats the solid argument for dictating girls wear only dresses?
 

Opiate

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I'm not going to take the student's word for it regarding that quotation. It's not a direct quote from the man; the student is saying the teacher said that. Memories for exact language are notoriously faulty, and particularly so for emotionally charged statements like that.
 

TronLight

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Why not just dress the way you feel and go. What are they going to do? Arrest her?

Just go and if they don't like it, sucks for them.
 

Corpekata

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If there is a policy that says you can't wear something to an event, you have to follow the rules of that establishment. The school board president says there is no rule as far as he knows, but apparently its been a rule at that school for some time.

You didn't really address what I said. You asserted it has nothing to do with her being gay. Yet the faculty would apparently quit the event if she wore a tux. What do you think is on their mind when they think this? At best they aren't being homophobic as much as generally sexist.
 

Izuna

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So...

I don't see how being gay makes her specifically makes her want to wear a tux.

That being said, girls regardless shouldn't be forced to wear a dress.
 

TCRS

Banned
Whats the solid argument for dictating girls wear only dresses?

nice twisted view on the issue. there is a dress code for both, boys and girls. and the solid argument is that it's the rule and tradition and no just because it's 2015 we don't have to break with traditions. "it's 2015!" is not an argument.
 

Razmos

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I just don't think a dress code is that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things. I mean I have no problem with her wearing a tux or whatever she likes. It doesn't affect me. I just don't think the fact that they want the dress code to be upheld bad.
If it's not that big a deal, then where's the harm in letting her wear what she wants to wear? She's still following the dress code by dressing formally, she's wearing exactly what the others are wearing.

This is a perfect example of stupid gender stereotyping and gender roles. What rule or law is there that a girl has to wear a dress, or a boy has to wear a suit? why can't a girl wear a suit? why can't a boy wear a dress?

It's all just ridiculous projecting of gender roles and it's fucking stupid in this day and age.
 

Cheebo

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nice twisted view on the issue. there is a dress code for both, boys and girls. and the solid argument is that it's tradition and no just because it's 2015 we don't have to break with traditions. "it's 2015!" is not an argument.
Tradition also states gay people should not be able to be married since traditional weddings are between a man and a woman. Should we stick to that because it is tradition?
 

andymcc

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nice twisted view on the issue. there is a dress code for both, boys and girls. and the solid argument is that it's the rule and tradition and no just because it's 2015 we don't have to break with traditions. "it's 2015!" is not an argument.

do you think they'll enforce this sort of bullshit on the lower-income students that can't rent a fucking tux and instead just wear khakis and a button-up? or people that aren't wearing dress shoes? if you think "Yes", in a poor part of LA, you're sorely mistaken.
 

Zareka

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Girls look better in tuxedos than us guys do tho

Seriously, if I were her I would just show up in a tux anyway. It's not like the building'll crumble if she does and they'd be loony to make a scene about something as silly as a suit.

What a silly rule.
 

Jackpot

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Doesn't sound like they are discriminating against her because of her sexual orientation, they just want to maintain a dress code for their event.

Sounds like a sensationalist article to me.

You're absolutely right. And DOMA was just about states rights. And DADT was just about unit cohesion.
 

jerd

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what makes you think everyone is comfortable in a tux or dress? I doubt most of them are.

do you have any other argument other than "b-but it's 2015!!" ? I would say sticking to the rules and stop whining based on nothing is a pretty solid argument.

You mean besides the fact that she wants to wear a tux and nobody will be negatively effected in any way?

nice twisted view on the issue. there is a dress code for both, boys and girls. and the solid argument is that it's the rule and tradition and no just because it's 2015 we don't have to break with traditions. "it's 2015!" is not an argument.

"As school board president, I don't agree with Carroll banning her from her prom just because of what she wants to wear -- that's discrimination," he said. "As far as I know there is no Monroe City School Board policy saying what someone has to wear to attend the prom. You can't just go making up policies."

You also misconstrued my use of the word "comfortable" as meaning what they are physically comfortable wearing rather than what they feel like they should wear or what they want to wear.
 

Cilla

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If it's not that big a deal, then where's the harm in letting her wear what she wants to wear? She's still following the dress code by dressing formally, she's wearing exactly what the others are wearing.

This is a perfect example of stupid gender stereotyping and gender roles. What rule or law is there that a girl has to wear a dress, or a boy has to wear a suit? why can't a girl wear a suit? why can't a boy wear a dress?

It's all just ridiculous projecting of gender roles and it's fucking ridiculous.

A guy can wear a dress and a girl can wear a tux. I do not care at all. Like I said it wouldn't bother me if she wore it to the event BUUUT

I just don't think we need to bend the knee and change the rules for every little thing. You aren't always going to get what you want and you won't always be happy. I don't know why it's that big of a deal.
 

Opiate

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nice twisted view on the issue. there is a dress code for both, boys and girls. and the solid argument is that it's the rule and tradition and no just because it's 2015 we don't have to break with traditions. "it's 2015!" is not an argument.

Can you explain why tradition is inherently worth protecting? I don't agree that "it's tradition" is self evidently a solid argument.
 
nice twisted view on the issue. there is a dress code for both, boys and girls. and the solid argument is that it's tradition and no just because it's 2015 we don't have to break with traditions. "it's 2015!" is not an argument.

Lol

Asking what you base your argument on is a twisted view of the issue? "Because its tradition" has never been an excuse to sanction discrimination. Good grief. Please try harder.

Girls wearing tuxedos isnt going to harm anyone. Nothing will happen as a consequence of girl wearing a tuxedo or a boy wearing a dress. This is an arbitrary "rule" based on outdated gender typing. Women wear suits to work. My sister and mom both wore pant suits to my brothers wedding. The fabric of society remains intact.
 

Frodo

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A guy can wear a dress and a girl can wear a tux. I do not care at all. Like I said it wouldn't bother me if she wore it to the event BUUUT

I just don't think we need to bend the knee and change the rules for every little thing. You aren't always going to get what you want and you won't always be happy. I don't know why it's that big of a deal.

Well, apparently there wasn't a rule there in the first place, but the did change that by making one to prevent her from wearing a tux.
 

Bubba T

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You didn't really address what I said. You asserted it has nothing to do with her being gay. Yet the faculty would apparently quit the event if she wore a tux. What do you think is on their mind when they think this? At best they aren't being homophobic as much as generally sexist.

Perhaps it was because she was gay. I don't know that, its not clear, so I won't jump to that conclusion. At the very least it screams of gender typing.
 

Razmos

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A guy can wear a dress and a girl can wear a tux. I do not care at all. Like I said it wouldn't bother me if she wore it to the event BUUUT

I just don't think we need to bend the knee and change the rules for every little thing. You aren't always going to get what you want and you won't always be happy. I don't know why it's that big of a deal.
Except it isn't a rule. There's nothing to bend or change, just some people imposing their views on what they think should, or should not be.
 

Oreoleo

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I agree with you though! It's the dress code. Is it really hurting anybody? If the rules told me I had to wear a dress, I would. If the rules said suit.. I would. I don't see the big deal.

This goes both ways you know. Is she really hurting anybody by wanting to wear a tux.

Also as has been pointed out, there actually is not a rule mandating all girls wear a dress. This is just some backwater hicks making a stink about something for no real reason.
 

TCRS

Banned
Tradition also states gay people should not be able to be married since traditional weddings are between a man and a woman. Should we stick to that because it is tradition?

le strawman

Can you explain why tradition is inherently worth protecting? I don't agree that "it's tradition" is self evidently a solid argument.

Because it provides for a nice continuity and there is no real reason to change it.

Lol

Asking what you base your argument on is a twisted view of the issue? "Because its tradition" has never been an excuse to sanction discrimination. Good grief. Please try harder.

Girls wearing tuxedos isnt going to harm anyone. Nothing will happen as a consequence of girl wearing a tuxedo or a boy wearing a dress. This is an arbitrary "rule" based on outdated gender typing. Women wear suits to work. My sister and mom both wore pant suits to my brothers wedding. The fabric of society remains intact.

It's discrimination indeed, but so what? It's enforcing a traditional dress code, not barring someone from attending due to something inherent as skin colour or sexuality. Throwing a hissy fit over this is ridiculous.

And yes I know women wear suits, nice try painting me as some sort of backwards hick who has never seen a women wearing a suit. But this is a formal gathering that has a distinct tradition and you don't get to be a special snowflake everywhere. Sometimes you just follow the rules.
 

Cilla

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Well, apparently there wasn't a rule there in the first place, but the did change that by making one to prevent her from wearing a tux.

Oh. Well if there wasn't a rule in the first place and they are just talking out of their arses now than I totally agree with you guys!

Except it isn't a rule. There's nothing to bend or change, just some people imposing their views on what they think should, or should not be.

Then I agree with you.
 
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