For six figures a year, I will slog through any games for 60 hours a week. Sounds like a fair trade off.
Yeah that's shit money. Be lucky to clear $70kPer month
1k ad revenue
5k subscriber revenue
1.5-6k donations
It aint chump change for playing videogames.
That's more than 3 times the median for the US my manMaking $100k is an OK salary.
Or you learn a skill/trade, use your education, get a job with benefits and a career path, do something that adds to society, and make more money and play games in his free time?Guy plays video games 60 hours a week, makes ~90k a year, and gets to write off his #1 hobby as a business expense. Yeah, why bother.
That's more than 3 times the median for the US my man
Yeah that's shit money. Be lucky to clear $70k
Yeah that's shit money. Be lucky to clear $70k
$70k is good money, what the hell?Yeah that's shit money. Be lucky to clear $70k
Or you learn a skill/trade, use your education, get a job with benefits and a career path, do something that adds to society, and make more money and play games in his free time?
You don't think the YouTube bubble is going to burst? Lmao. It's been 7 years and copyright holders are starting to come down hard. Our corporate overlords can't stand fair use even in the news let alone on you tubers making money off of their goods.Highly doubtful. These streams are Twitch front-runners and fit in their economy. In order for the "bubble to burst", Twitch in its entirety would have to have a completely losing business proposition in a future technology, a very unlikely situation considering their reach on current technology (smartphones).
I'm only saying this because in 2008 people told me the same thing "YouTube bubble will pop eventually" lol. Good times.
That being said, not many people succeed in this Twitch endeavor. That's the thing to remember, it's a big business for very few.
This is the main reason why I don't find a streaming career alluring.
And generally unless you luck out and passionately play a game that is already very popular, the games you love the most won't make you a big Twitch streamer.
The moment games become work, when you play games not to enjoy them but to appease an audience, would absolutely wipe me out.
Why would you do it for such little money? Is there goal to be the next YouTube celebrity? Doesn't seem worth it to me. Also, are they paying taxes on it? Because if not the irs will fuck them.
Well, you also need to be pretty good on camera. People who don't know how to address a camera properly and making things entertaining by maintaining conversations with the chat ultimately fall down the charts on number of viewers. The people that do really well have built a community around them by being personable and interacting with their audience. Just playing the games isn't really where this is at to be honest.
Do you make 6 figures? $70k is pretty comfortable for most people. It's more than my parents make combined, and they do much more demanding things than playing video games.
Wife and I make $190k.Do you make 6 figures? $70k is pretty comfortable for most people. It's more than my parents make combined, and they do much more demanding things than playing video games.
Where do you live?I would have to make concessions to get by on $70k. $100k isn't the "you are wealthy" number it used to be in the 90s.
This isn't entertainment. This is a guy playing video games and commenting about it.Entertainment doesn't contribute to society? Man what are actors doing? Lol
Do you make 6 figures? $70k is pretty comfortable for most people. It's more than my parents make combined, and they do much more demanding things than playing video games.
$70k is good money, what the hell?
Wife and I make $190k.
The lowest paid person in my department makes $70k, gets benefits, and works 40 hours a week. And this is a department of 100 people working in talent acquisition.
My point is that the 24 year old girl we jus hired with 2 years exp makes more than a clown playing video games and asking for donations. She gets healthcare and a retirement plan.
This isn't entertainment. This is a guy playing video games and commenting about it.
This isn't entertainment. This is a guy playing video games and commenting about it.
This isn't entertainment. This is a guy playing video games and commenting about it.
Isn't that the case with doing any kind of entertainment online? Or being self employed on general? It's not unique to Twitch.I agree $70K is a very good salary, but the big risk for the streamers is added expenses and lack of security. Things like healthcare and dental are out of pocket. If a channel falls in popularity the streamer has to try and reenter the work force after being out of it for what could be years. Plus, they'd most likely be looking at a sizable pay cut. I love Twitch and wish the streamers all the luck in the world, but it is a very risky career.
Wife and I make $190k.
The lowest paid person in my department makes $70k, gets benefits, and works 40 hours a week. And this is a department of 100 people working in talent acquisition.
My point is that the 24 year old girl we jus hired with 2 years exp makes more than a clown playing video games and asking for donations. She gets healthcare and a retirement plan.
As someone who's paid in the low 6 figures before OT, working 60 hr weeks fucking SUCKS and I work in a field I really, really enjoy. More so than video games.For six figures a year, I will slog through any games for 60 hours a week. Sounds like a fair trade off.
I would have to make concessions to get by on $70k. $100k isn't the "you are wealthy" number it used to be in the 90s.
Wife and I make $190k.
The lowest paid person in my department makes $70k, gets benefits, and works 40 hours a week. And this is a department of 100 people working in talent acquisition.
My point is that the 24 year old girl we jus hired with 2 years exp makes more than a clown playing video games and asking for donations. She gets healthcare and a retirement plan.
This isn't entertainment. This is a guy playing video games and commenting about it.
I love gaming but 60hrs a week playing videogames doesn't sound fun at all.
I would have to make concessions to get by on $70k. $100k isn't the "you are wealthy" number it used to be in the 90s.
So around 70k/year?
This isn't entertainment. This is a guy playing video games and commenting about it.
Making $100k is an OK salary. The problem is being self employed and making $100k. The taxes truly eat into that. Not to mention having to work 60 hours a week for that $100k.
It really isn't. Factor in investing in your retirement, mortgage, a family and savings and it's not much in the end.Some of the comments here about 70-100k not being great money make my mind full of fuck. Good lord the bubble is strong for some.
What I wouldn't give to make 70k a year...
That salary would pay off my student loan debt before the year ended and I would still be more than comfortable living my life.
Are you a family man? I assume if 70k would be tough to get by on for you, you have to have a few extra mouths to feed, kids to send through school and a mortgage to pay?
If he wins that much, then can't imagine what Lirik earns.
If you do it properly you can write off enough things to where you're not paying very much in taxes, at all. Everything becomes a business expense.
It's still a hell of a lot of work. 60 hours a week - and that's not 60 hours of sitting on the couch. That's 60 hours of being "on" as in actively engaging with your audience, etc. That sounds draining as hell.
I'm guessing Lirik makes around $500,000. He has the most subscribers on Twitch I believe (> 10,000) plus there is ad revenue, donations, sponsors, and Youtube.
Isn't that the case with doing any kind of entertainment online? Or being self employed on general? It's not unique to Twitch.
And if I'm not mistaken, he goes to school for computer science or something like that so it's not like he's just sitting on his ass all day.Probably way more than that. Check the screenshot I posted on the first page. $410,000 per year just from donations. And Lirik seems even bigger.
True, I wasn't trying to say it's a Twitch specific difficulty. The point I was trying to make is that, while $70K is a lot of money, it's not the same when you have no benefits or job security, and work 60+ hours week.
And if I'm not mistaken, he goes to school for computer science or something like that so it's not like he's just sitting on his ass all day.
The amount of work these guys put in is crazy. On top of the 60 hours on camera they still have work off-camera. A lot of them also have YouTube channels to manage, communicating with fans, trying to set-up sponsorships and events for the channel, etc. It takes a lot of dedication to turn this into a career.
That is true. Taxes + rent + utilities + all kinds of insurance costs, that all adds up very quickly. He mostly rakes in very little disposable income.
bro1 is rich AF though, so his perception might be a bit skewed.
Wife and I make $190k.
The lowest paid person in my department makes $70k, gets benefits, and works 40 hours a week. And this is a department of 100 people working in talent acquisition.
My point is that the 24 year old girl we jus hired with 2 years exp makes more than a clown playing video games and asking for donations. She gets healthcare and a retirement plan.