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[Amir0x]

Keeping secrets from friends seems to be a theme of RPGs, but man as I run through FFX for the umpteenth time it really struck me how awkward it must be by the end of the game for everyone.

Lulu was keeping it secret from Wakka that Luzzu convinced Chappu to get into the Crusaders (where he then was killed). She along with the rest of the group kept Tidus in the dark about what was to happen at the end of the journey.

Auron was keeping it secret from Tidus and others that he is really dead (unsent). He also kept it secret from everyone that the whole journey was one big fucking sham and that one of them would need to become the Final Aeon if they were to defeat sin (and thereby become Sin, whilst Yuna dies), which seems to me pretty fucking mean spirited. I still can't see an advantage to him doing that, his nonsense about them needing to see this for themselves just rung hollow.

Tidus is keeping it secret from everyone but especially Yuna that he is actually a dream of the Fayth who will disappear if they kill Yu Yevon.

Yuna was keeping it secret from Tidus that she would die at the end after summoning the Final Aeon. She also kept it secret from Wakka that she was Cid's niece. Although that makes sense, Wakka was an asshole. And she was keeping it secret from everyone for the longest time that Seymour was a total asshole who killed his father.

Rikku was keeping it secret from Wakka that she was an Al Bhed. Also understandable with Wakka being asshole-tier.

Kimahri kept Auron's secret from everyone about being an unsent.

And gamers everywhere are left in the dark as to why Lulu would ever marry and have a kid with asshole dumbass Wakka. Maybe they both had the whole blindly following the teachings of Yevon thing for the longest time going for them?

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So like if after the game ended they all sat down to dinner and talked, I think it'd probably be a pretty silent dinner. I mean it just seems like it'd take a little while to get past that shit, but maybe defeating Yu Yevon allows you to see what's important or some shit.

I'm thinking of other Final Fantasy games, but I don't know if the secrets-from-friends thing is as ever-present as it becomes in FFX. Most FF characters have secrets about their upbringing and past, and of course sometimes those secrets effect the others... but it seems like in FFX they all just happily keep shit that would like obviously negatively effect the others if revealed. Seems like a poor foundation for friendship.

 

[StealthGoblin]

The most honourable person in that entire game was Maester Kelk Ronso,

 

[CorvoSol]

I need to replay it, but didn't Tidus not know he wasn't a real person for most of the game? Like he didn't bother to hide that he was from Zanarkand from Wakka when they first met, for instance.

 

[Amir0x]

I need to replay it, but didn't Tidus not know he wasn't a real person for most of the game? Like he didn't bother to hide that he was from Zanarkand from Wakka when they first met, for instance.

He sorta had a hint about it at one point earlier in the game, but didn't come into full realization until the top of Mt. Gagazet.

 

[Yoshichan]

HORNLESS!

 

[Nightengale]

I need to replay it, but didn't Tidus not know he wasn't a real person for most of the game? Like he didn't bother to hide that he was from Zanarkand from Wakka when they first met, for instance.

This.

I recall he didn't know it until late in the game.

 

[Aureon]

Tidus didn't know.

Auron's actual plan, you know, the main plot - is not telling them, so they won't have time to come to terms with it - and will rebel against their fate.

Rikku is A-OK.

The only strange one is Lulu, but since she's a failure knight herself, it's not TOO strange.

 

[DarknessTear]

Bububu Tidus didn't know he was a dream!

 

[Shahed]

It's all Wakka's fault. Most of the secrets would hit him the hardest (or at all).

 

[Amir0x]

Tidus didn't know.

Tidus did know, at the top of Mt. Gagazet. And then he chose to keep it a secret from the group, just like the group kept it a secret from Tidus what would happen at the end of the journey.

The length of time you keep a negative secret doesn't really change the negativity. Yuna asks him direct at one point if he's hiding anything and he says no and she responds "you're a bad liar, Tidus."

Auron's actual plan, you know, the main plot - is not telling them, so they won't have time to come to terms with it - and will rebel against their fate.

It's a horrific plan that assumes everyone is mental midgets incapable of handling big problems. It's mean spirited, dramatically impacts everything they had done throughout the game and basically makes Auron the worst (after Wakka, because Wakka is an asshole).

Rikku is A-OK.

This I agree with, I said that.

 

[gigantor21]

That was actually one of the central themes of the story; how so much of Spira's stability was centered around artifice which ended up doing more harm than good in the end. The maesters hiding Sin's true nature and letting people get butchered every ten years to stay in power--and most of the public not questioning it--being the main example.

Has SE done anything that compelling with the stories in the series since? FFX is hardly perfect, sure, but I was deeply invested in the story in a way very few games in any genre managed.

 

[Amir0x]

That was actually one of the central themes of the story--how so much of Spira's stability was centered around artifice which ended up doing more harm than good in the end. The maesters hiding Sin's true nature and letting people get butchered every ten years to stay in power being the main example.

To be fair, the main theme of 95% of all jRPGs is how bad/corrupt religion and God is. Then usually you fight God at some point.

 

[UnluckyKate]

He sorta had a hint about it at one point earlier in the game, but didn't come into full realization until the top of Mt. Gagazet.

what hint ?

 

[gigantor21]

what hint ?

The Bahamut fayth kid stopping time while Sin was attacking "Zanarkand" I guess?

 

[Amir0x]

It's not something that Tidus picked up on, so it can't be used against him. After Mt. Gagazet though...

Also Auron kept it secret from Tidus until they got to the end of Luca that his Jecht was sin.

 

[Kuni]

Everyone has secrets!

I would love to be at that table though.

 

[Luigi87]

To be fair, the main theme of 95% of all jRPGs is how bad/corrupt religion and God is. Then usually you fight God at some point.

That's not.................... holy crap that is true...

 

[Amir0x]

That's not.................... holy crap that is true...

I think there is a trope list somewhere that shows how many at least have it as a secondary theme, it's pretty crazy.

I think I first became fully aware of how frequent it was after beating Breath of Fire III.

 

[Junahu]

Auron was keeping it secret from Tidus and others that he is really dead (unsent). He also kept it secret from everyone that the whole journey was one big fucking sham and that one of them would need to become the Final Aeon if they were to defeat sin (and thereby become Sin, whilst Yuna dies), which seems to me pretty fucking mean spirited. I still can't see an advantage to him doing that, his nonsense about them needing to see this for themselves just rung hollow.

That revelation is only an issue to Yuna, who was totally fine sacrificing herself, but refused to take anyone else's life to complete her journey. She already knew the journey was a temporary fix that would kill her, and her guardians were already resigned to die if neccessary.
If she had known earlier, Yuna would have just ended the journey, Tidus would have been satisfied, and some other summoner would have given Spira the calm.

The maesters hiding Sin's true nature and letting people get butchered every ten years to stay in power--and most of the public not questioning it--being the main example

They weren't hiding it because they wanted power, they had genuinely given up on there ever being a true solution, and decided that giving Spira false-hope is better than letting it swallow itself in despair. Seymor rejects this methodology, and instead tries to become SIN so that he can end the world quickly.

 

[Shengar]

I think there is a trope list somewhere that shows how many at least have it as a secondary theme, it's pretty crazy.

I think I first became fully aware of how frequent it was after beating Breath of Fire III.

Not only JRPG, but epic space opera anime such as LoGH also have corrupt religion as its main villain.

Personally it's very unfortunate that such shallow understanding of religion so prevalent within japanese creative works. But I guess history have something to do with it, and if its true I can't really blame them.

 

[Amir0x]

That revelation is only an issue to Yuna, who was totally fine sacrificing herself, but refused to take anyone else's life to complete her journey. She already knew the journey was a temporary fix that would kill her, and her guardians were already resigned to die if neccessary.
If she had known earlier, Yuna would have just ended the journey, Tidus would have been satisfied, and some other summoner would have given Spira the calm.

It's only an issue to everyone as far as I can tell. Everyone there went on this journey believing they were trying to send the world into a Calm and that there was some way to atone and eventually end Sin for good. When they all get to Yunalesca, Wakka and Lulu have a mini-meltdown about the revelation that it's all been for naught... in the true sense, in that Yevon's teachings were bullshit and that there is no real chance of atonement. That went even above and beyond the cycle of summoner sacrifices. Auron knew this the whole time.

If Auron had sat them down from the start and actually explained the situation, including what he experienced on his journey as a Guardian, they could have formulated an intelligent plan far earlier and been far better prepared for the challenges that lied ahead. They also would have known to take Yevon's claims skeptically and put themselves in less danger around Seymour and Mika. Instead, it takes until Zanarkand when all the bad shit already happened and when they find out Auron starts screeching some speech about how "THIS IS THE TIME FOR YOU TO DECIDE IF YOU'LL END YOUR SUFFERING THROUGH DEATH OR FIGHT THROUGH YOUR SORROW."

As far as I can tell, his whole nonsense about how they needed to see it for themselves represented profound mistrust of his friends, and he is essentially saying he didn't believe any of them could handle knowing the truth and instead must suffer a hopeless journey while holding onto false hope for no good reason.

 

[SougoXIII]

It's not something that Tidus picked up on, so it can't be used against him. After Mt. Gagazet though...

Also Auron kept it secret from Tidus until they got to the end of Luca that his Jecht was sin.

Auron didn't meet Tidus again until Luca. The first time they meet, they were busy running from a Sin attack. That wasn't the best time for 'Oh btw, your father is the giant whale attacking us.'

I don't see anything wrong with Tidus keeping his disappearing act from everyone. It was his own problem and there isn't much he can do against it if he wants Sin destroy. At worst, it'll just bum the party out and lower the morale for the final battle.

The thing with Auron keeping the big secrets from the party is because they were not ready for it at the beginning of the game. They have to see the contradictions and corruptions of Yu Yevon themselves before even accepting that everything they based their entire life around is wrong. Wakka isn't just going to say: 'Oh Yu Yevon is totally corrupt cause you say so Auron.'

 

[Amir0x]

Auron didn't meet Tidus again until Luca. The first time they meet, they were busy running from a Sin attack. That wasn't the best time for 'Oh btw, your father is the giant whale attacking us.'

I don't see anything wrong with Tidus keeping his disappearing act from everyone. It was his own problem and there isn't much he can do against it if he wants Sin destroy. At worst, it'll just bum the party out and lower the morale for the final battle.

The thing with Auron keeping the big secrets from the party is because they were not ready for it at the beginning of the game. They have to see the contradictions and corruptions of Yu Yevon themselves before even accepting that everything they based their entire life around is wrong. Wakka isn't just going to say: 'Oh Yu Yevon is totally corrupt cause you say so Auron.'

All of the group already worships Auron as a legendary Guardian. If someone as significant as Auron told them about his story, they're not just going to ignore it. And what would have happened if they were told?

They would have at least knew to take Yevon's claims skeptically, which could have avoided TONS of heartache re: Seymour and Mika and what goes down with Yevon. Auron is partially responsible for all of that danger that could have ended their lives. It's the type of thing that could only be taken seriously in a videogame because it's so dumb.

 

[Jawmuncher]

Love the Wakka bit. Since pretty much everyone agrees with it. Especially since it took her out of being a member in FFX2.

 

[BriGuy]

Auron was also retconned a spunky daughter for some reason.

 

[Antiwhippy]

To be fair, the main theme of 95% of all jRPGs is how bad/corrupt religion and God is. Then usually you fight God at some point.

To be fair, stories of Gods being assholes are pretty fun. Just look at greek mythology.

 

[jiggles]

Why would Tidus even be present at this dinner?

 

[HeelPower]

I think Auron was actually ready to go through yet another final summoning.

He realized that he couldn't change anything through his last journey and yet he couldn't rest until he saw Yuna realize her full potential.

I think that with his case it could've gone either way.He had no way of knowing that the group would rebel.

 

[Shengar]

To be fair, stories of Gods being assholes are pretty fun. Just look at greek mythology.

Chinese and Japaenese deities to some extent are having human qualities too, but they aren't assholes as much as the Greek gods.

 

[Valorant]

Personally it's very unfortunate that such shallow understanding of religion so prevalent within japanese creative works. But I guess history have something to do with it, and if its true I can't really blame them.

They criticise organised religious institutions, not the idea of religion and tradition. The difference is huge: the former have long been used to subjugate and manipulate populations. The latter just proceed from an essential human need.

 

[Vallen Valiant]

Not only JRPG, but epic space opera anime such as LoGH also have corrupt religion as its main villain.

Personally it's very unfortunate that such shallow understanding of religion so prevalent within japanese creative works. But I guess history have something to do with it, and if its true I can't really blame them.

It is not shallow if that is the only part that does anything. You can talk about peace and love all you want, that still won't hide the genocide and torture. Belief won't change what actually happened.

Even after the end of FFX, the Yevon religion still exists because people prefer to live in a lie. Just like in real life.

 

[SougoXIII]

All of the group already worships Auron as a legendary Guardian. If someone has significant as Auron told them about his story, they're not just going to ignore it. And what would have happened if they were told?

They would have at least knew to take Yevon's claims skeptically, which could have avoided TONS of heartache re: Seymour and Mika and what goes down with Yevon. Auron is partially responsible for all of that danger that could have ended their lives. It's the type of thing that could only be taken seriously in a videogame.

Not really, you noticed yourself that Wakka is a racist bone-headed asshole. It's not that hard to make up an excuse to justify Yu Yevon for himself even if it came from Auron - especially is Auron have to reveal that he is an Unsent - something which is view as unnatural and corruption in Yu Yevon teaching. Even witnessing the blatant corruption of the Yu Yevon later on in the game he is still finding excuses for them.

Lulu may be less radical than Wakka but she's still a devout follower of Yu Yevon. She is not going to believe Auron's words without proof. There also really nothing she could do even if she's skeptical of Yu Yevon since Auron still wants Yuna to make the pilgrimage to Zanarkand and questioning Yu Yevon is a good way to make that journey 100 times more difficult.

Yuna herself is the key to this journey. She spent her whole life devoting herself to the people of Spira. She have a martyr complex and can be easily convince that 10 years of peace is good enough in exchange for her life if she have not seen the extent in which Yu Yevon is corrupted with her own eyes. She was willing to marry Seymour just to ease the people's mind.

Auron telling them everything at the beginning of the game can quickly backfire back on him as the party grew to distrust and being skeptical of him instead. Worst if they decide to confront Yu Yevon earlier on, Mika and co could easily hide their track and discredited the legendary Guardian who disappeared for the whole decade. It's not hard to fool people who wants to believe in you. The reason why Yu Yevon leave Yuna alone for the majority of the game is because they believe Yuna to be their puppet and Auron to not cause any trouble.

 

[HeelPower]

All of the group already worships Auron as a legendary Guardian. If someone as significant as Auron told them about his story, they're not just going to ignore it. And what would have happened if they were told?

They would reject it still.

All of them were deeply religious and committed to Yevon's teachings.

They already knew Sin would come back even after Yuna's sacrifices.Yuna even kept going after being excommunicated from Yevon and sentenced to death.

Auron telling them so early would be seen as a futile attempt to Dissuade Yuna from the pilgrimage ,and could possibly even be seen as Blasphemy and Heresy against Yevon.

Yunalesca's confession is what actually made them desire a different path and break the cycle.

 

[Amir0x]

I think Auron was actually ready to go through yet another final summoning.

He realized that he couldn't change anything through his last journey and yet he couldn't rest until he saw Yuna realize her full potential.

I think that with his case it could've gone either way.He had no way of knowing that the group would rebel.

I reaaally would disagree with that interpretation. His entire speeches at the Yunalesca event suggest otherwise. His whole commentary, sadly talking about how the cycle continued despite Braska giving his life and Jecht turning into Sin, was about the inevitability of this moment and trying to change things. His argument was that the group needed to see it for themselves and decide. Because no matter what Auron wanted, it was still ultimately Yuna's choice and one of her guardian's if they decided to become Sin. But it was clear he did NOT want the cycle to continue and definitely was hoping they would try to end it together. When they make the decision to fight Yunalesca, Auron starts yelling like he always was waiting for this time (which of course he was, since Yunalesca killed him).

They would reject it still.

All of them were deeply religious and committed to Yevon's teachings.

They already knew Sin would come back even after Yuna's sacrifices.Yuna even kept going after being excommunicated from Yevon and sentenced to death.

Yunalesca's confession is what actually made them desire a different path and break the cycle.

But what they didn't know was the larger truth: That Yevon's entire claim that humanity could atone for their sins enough to eventually stop Sin from returning was false. THAT was what Auron could have told them from the start, and he didn't. Even if they perhaps would have not believed him (which, again, I don't believe for a moment - Auron was as true a source as there ever could have been on the subject, certainly no less so than Yunalesca), they would have had it in the back of their mind and would have started taking odd behavior by Yevon church very seriously. They would have had some level of skepticism that could have saved them endless heartache later on. And Tidus had no allegiance to that faith as well as Rikku... and you add Auron, who was a cornerstone of the entire group. That's already a big chunk of the group.

 

[SougoXIII]

But what they didn't know was the larger truth: That Yevon's entire claim that humanity could atone for their sins enough to eventually stop Sin from returning was false. THAT was what Auron could have told them from the start, and he didn't. Even if they perhaps would have not believed him (which, again, I don't believe for a moment - Auron was as true a source as there ever could have been on the subject, certainly no less so than Yunalesca), they would have had it in the back of their mind and would have started taking odd behavior by Yevon church very seriously. They would have had some level of skepticism that could have saved them endless heartache later on. And Tidus had no allegiance to that faith as well as Rikku... and you add Auron, who was a cornerstone of the entire group. That's already a big chunk of the group.

I would disagree with you. Auron disappeared from Spira for ten years, the party do not knows what he was up to at the time. That alone is enough to doubt Auron if he was telling them about the corruption of Yevon. If Auron then decided to tell them about dream Zanarkand then it would make him seem like a crazy lunatic, combining with the fact that he's an Unsent would allow Yu Yevon or any radical believers (cough* Wakka) dismiss his claim out right. Yu Yevon's teaching is deeply ingrain in Spira for a thousand years, they are going to need a confession from the source to finally snap themselves out of it. Yunalenseca did exactly that.

 

[Shengar]

It is not shallow if that is the only part that does anything. You can talk about peace and love all you want, that still won't hide the genocide and torture. Belief won't change what actually happened.

Even after the end of FFX, the Yevon religion still exists because people prefer to live in a lie. Just like in real life.

Yeah because the Babylonian made breakthrough in Astronomy and Mathematics because they were extremely bored. And oh, it's also the rich nobles and merchants who put food on the table for scribes and priests to translating classical works during 13th-15th century that become the foundation for European modern sciences.

See? This is the shallow understanding that I meant. Many Japanese and Western people equates religion with religious body, sees religion as something monolithic, and Abrahamic. What irk me most is that when something bad happened and it involved religion, people always selectively perceived that it happened solely because of it and nothing else matters.

 

[Amir0x]

I would disagree with you. Auron disappeared from Spira for ten years, the party do not knows what he was up to at the time. That alone is enough to doubt Auron if he was telling to about the corruption of Spira. If Auron decided to tell them about dream Zanarkand then it would make him seem like a crazy lunatic, combining with the fact that he's an Unsent would allow Yu Yevon or any radical believers (cough* Wakka) dismiss his claim out right. Yu Yevon's teaching is deeply ingrain in Spira for a thousand years, they are going to need a confession from the source to finally snap themselves out of it. Yunalenseca did exactly that.

It doesn't make sense. Even if you believe that, all Auron had to do was say "Listen, what I'm about to tell you will seem outrageous to you. But all I ask is you keep it in mind as we travel, and take in what you see critically with my words in mind."

As they approached closer and closer, they would have began to see the facade fall away. By the time Seymour was doing what he was doing the cracks would have begun to show in force, and they would have begun to doubt everything Yevon said far earlier than Zanarkand. SO MUCH of the heartache that happened with Yevon that put them in critical danger would have certainly been avoided. Shit, there was enough weirdness going on with Yevon and that first Crusader attack on Sin that doubts would have been risen in large order if Auron had told them his story already. And again: Tidus, Rikku and Auron are already a huge chunk of the group.

 

[SougoXIII]

It doesn't make sense. Even if you believe that, all Auron had to do was say "Listen, what I'm about to tell you will seem outrageous to you. But all I ask is you keep it in mind as we travel, and take in what you see critically with my words in mind."

As they approached closer and closer, they would have began to see the facade fall away. By the time Seymour was doing what he was doing the cracks would have begun to show in force, and they would have begun to doubt everything Yevon said far earlier than Zanarkand. SO MUCH of the heartache that happened with Yevon that put them in critical danger would have certainly been avoided. Shit, there was enough weirdness going on with Yevon and that first Crusader attack on Sin that doubts would have been risen in large order if Auron had told them his story already. And again: Tidus, Rikku and Auron are already a huge chunk of the group.

The point is that if Auron were to tell them that, some of them would outright reject him there and then. Wakka have plenty of reasons to and even if Yuna were to insist Auron to stay with them, it would cause a friction within the group that Seymour and Mika could easily exploit making their journey that much more dangerous. It doesn't matter that Auron, Tidus and Rikku make a huge chunk of the group, Yuna is the most important part and if her sibling-like guardian were telling her Auron was speaking nonsense or is in constant conflict with him, she would likely ask him to leave in order to preserve the group dynamic. Let's not mention that Tidus is an outsider who's just tagging along and have no real say in the matter and Rikku is an Al-bheh.

 

[TokiDoki]

Robert Downey jr would cast a good Auron .

 

[ShinMaruku]

To be fair, the main theme of 95% of all jRPGs is how bad/corrupt religion and God is. Then usually you fight God at some point.

Some of that is simply because of Buddhism and in natvive Japanese mythologies have their gods dying.

Another part is they just use Christianity and the imagery as window dressing with a kind of shallow understanding of it. FF7 probably does it the best where they just take the imagery.
(The 7 Sefirot)

 

[Zane]

It's a horrific plan that assumes everyone is mental midgets incapable of handling big problems.

Seems like Auron had it right, then!

 

[Antiwhippy]

Some of that is simply because of Buddhism and in natvive Japanese mythologies have their gods dying.

Another part is they just use Christianity and the imagery as window dressing with a kind of shallow understanding of it. FF7 probably does it the best where they just take the imagery.
(The 7 Sefirot)

I like SMT's take where YHVH is a dogmatic asshole.

 

[HeelPower]

I reaaally would disagree with that interpretation. His entire speeches at the Yunalesca event suggest otherwise. His whole commentary, sadly talking about how the cycle continued despite Braska giving his life and Jecht turning into Sin, was about the inevitability of this moment and trying to change things. His argument was that the group needed to see it for themselves and decide. Because no matter what Auron wanted, it was still ultimately Yuna's choice and one of her guardian's if they decided to become Sin. But it was clear he did NOT want the cycle to continue and definitely was hoping they would try to end it together. When they make the decision to fight Yunalesca, Auron starts yelling like he always was waiting for this time (which of course he was, since Yunalesca killed him).

I amnot arguing that he didn't want to end the cycle,that's the whole crux of the character.But I think he had no way of knowing that this group of people would answer his call.

I mean even his original group(those closest to him) Rejected his call for change, and went on with the final summoning.

But what they didn't know was the larger truth: That Yevon's entire claim that humanity could atone for their sins enough to eventually stop Sin from returning was false. THAT was what Auron could have told them from the start, and he didn't. Even if they perhaps would have not believed him (which, again, I don't believe for a moment - Auron was as true a source as there ever could have been on the subject, certainly no less so than Yunalesca), they would have had it in the back of their mind and would have started taking odd behavior by Yevon church very seriously. They would have had some level of skepticism that could have saved them endless heartache later on. And Tidus had no allegiance to that faith as well as Rikku... and you add Auron, who was a cornerstone of the entire group. That's already a big chunk of the group.

Your point is plausible ,but what if Auron breaks the morale of the group and gets rejected instead ? I think that an early revelation could cause the group to break down and would lead to a lot of mistrust and doubt amongst themselves.

I think that an early revelation to a completely devoted chunk of the group can also backfire negatively.I doubt Lulu,Wakka,Yuna and Kimahri were remotely capable of critical thinking against the teachings,which is what you suggest they would do.

So(IMO This is just speculation) the more likely possibilities would be in denial,disappointment and anger at Auron or they would indeed just quit early on.

 

[littletran22]

I remember when I played FFX for the first time all of these controversies with yu yevon and the teachings being a complete lie got me very confused at first, and I only really played attention to Tidus and Yuna's relationship because feels. After subsequent playthroughs I got a better understanding and I can see how the plot tends to drag for unnessecary drama when it could have been avoided if all the characters had laid out their secrets.

 

[ShinMaruku]

I like SMT's take where YHVH is a dogmatic asshole.

That given the translated the title of the game just kills me. XD

SMT should have went more into Gnosticism. They could have gotten some good stuff. But I bet most of the story people never gave the research necessary to pull off Gnosticism.

 

[Antiwhippy]

That given the translated the title of the game just kills me. XD

SMT should have went more into Gnosticism. They could have gotten some good stuff. But I bet most of the story people never gave the research necessary to pull off Gnosticism.

I am not all that knowledgeable about Gnosticism, but from what little I know I'm not sure if it would work seeing that SMT doesn't really eschew the physical world like gnosticism does.

 

[Dunan]

She have a martyr complex and can be easily convince that 10 years of peace is good enough in exchange for her life if she have not seen the extent in which Yu Yevon is corrupted with her own eyes.

Minor point, but it is only the most recent Calm that lasted just ten years. It's described in one of the Ultimanias (and I can't find mine just now), but the previous Calms were mostly many decades long.

 

[SougoXIII]

Minor point, but it is only the most recent Calm that lasted just ten years. It's described in one of the Ultimanias (and I can't find mine just now), but the previous Calms were mostly many decades long.

That's neat to know. I was under the impression from the game that Sin was a exactly cycle thing.

 

[CaviarMeths]

I think the fact that the entire cast of FFX is one big group of assholes is the reason that I can't consider among the best FF games. Still a good game, but man, I hated almost everyone in it.

 

[ShinMaruku]

I am not all that knowledgeable about Gnosticism, but from what little I know I'm not sure if it would work seeing that SMT doesn't really eschew the physical world like gnosticism does.

And that is why I'd love it. Something that subverts both. But I don't think they'd have done it properly... but what could have been!