DirectX12 does allow you to combine the VRAM of multiple cards. Does that mean that they were able to use that feature? I have no idea, but its a possibility
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Square Enix shows WITCH CHAPTER 0 [cry] Luminous Engine demo [DX12, 4 Titan, Screens]
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DirectX12 does allow you to combine the VRAM of multiple cards. Does that mean that they were able to use that feature? I have no idea, but its a possibility
PLASTICA-MAN
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You forgot that this uses DX12 and DX12 brings back SFR, so basically it means you use both cards VRAMs which is equal to 48 GB now thanks to DX12.
Yes. Otherwise how could they stream all the GBs of data from those textures.
Ah yeah, completely forgot about that. I read that it would be very unlikely for developers to actually utilise such a feature since they would specifically have to develop with that in mind (iirc), but I have no idea how true that will be in practice or whether this demo uses it. Hopefully there will be more info soon.
considering they are working with Nvidia I would expect them to but who knows. Also, I think its being touted as one of the biggest deals in regards to DX12.. you'll be able to combine multiple GPUs and VRAM. I wonder DX12 will just automatically use all available resources or if that would be something that needs to be programmed directly as you suggested.
Honestly,Square should send their Tech Demos over to TV companies like Samsung etc
It could be a good way to show off new 4K TV capabilities as well as a good way for Square to gain some publicity.
You know those random demos that run on TV Displays.I've actually seen FFXIII CG on display on a Samsung TV once.
It could be a good way to show off new 4K TV capabilities as well as a good way for Square to gain some publicity.
You know those random demos that run on TV Displays.I've actually seen FFXIII CG on display on a Samsung TV once.
copelandmaster
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They are calling it Multiadapter. It's API support for multiple GPUs so it's automatic to an extent, but it need fine tuning. For memory you can have it done automatic or custom for each part depending on your needs.
damn, that is exciting news.
That doesn't make any sense. Your never going to get that fidelity in a console at 399 in the timeline they would have to come up with their next console with the PS5/XB2. I think i'm going to make a thread about people living in the clouds like its 20 years ago, and the thought process behind why people think its reasonable.
Zxrophantom
Member
Wait guys.. WAIT.. Did they say.. WITCH PROJECT??
Final Fantasy VIII-2 confirmed! HOLY!
One guy can dream..
How dare you...my dreams!
I really need to stop doing this to myself. Getting hyped for unannounced things. haha
Sugoi! I want to see what happens whe she goes full gold. Never go full gold.
->
See! Even more proof of my theory that Eidos is working on a new mainline FF featuring Agni. I'm slowly becoming the 1Truth/Galvanizer of GAF with this theory, haha.
Haha. The hero we desere. I keep forgetting that Deus Ex is a Square Enix IP now.
90TilInfinity
Member
I am absolutely gutted at the very real likelihood that this will never be a game, FF or new IP.
Amazing tech though.
Amazing tech though.
I know what I want to say it seems crazy. But Nvidia already made this trick, with Samaritan which was originally on a PC with 3 Geforce 590 and then, after one single year, they did the same presentation with only one 680.
My thought is... They will announce a new Geforce which actually can run this demo on a single card for the next year?
My thought is... They will announce a new Geforce which actually can run this demo on a single card for the next year?
Never played Deus Ex.
What kind of abilities does he gain when goes full gold like that ? It looks crazy.
Poetic.Injustice
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Armor.
This demo is also included in this "Advanced DirectX12 Graphics and Performance" presentation.
http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Build/2015/3-673
http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Build/2015/3-673
Microsoft said:
Can't believe I missed this.
Pretty impressive.
Also, high bandwidth memory (HBM) should play a huge part in allowing for more complex visuals than we see today, even with the highest-end cards. So whatever level of CPU/GPU processing power PS5 has, bandwidth shouldn't be a problem.
HBM1 PC cards are happening this year (AMD 390X) HMB2 starting in 2016 (Pascal) so maybe the next Xbox and PS5 will get to use 2nd or even 3rd gen HBM.
12 ~ 15 tflops might be reasonable for consoles launching in late 2019.
Pretty impressive.
Also, high bandwidth memory (HBM) should play a huge part in allowing for more complex visuals than we see today, even with the highest-end cards. So whatever level of CPU/GPU processing power PS5 has, bandwidth shouldn't be a problem.
HBM1 PC cards are happening this year (AMD 390X) HMB2 starting in 2016 (Pascal) so maybe the next Xbox and PS5 will get to use 2nd or even 3rd gen HBM.
12 ~ 15 tflops might be reasonable for consoles launching in late 2019.
copelandmaster
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OK, WOW.
From this video, the presenter says that the demo was running at 4k resolution and downsampled to 1080p.
You could do this demo on 1 Titan X just fine! If the demo uses less than 6GB of vram, you could run it on a 980ti when it comes out in a month or two.
Hell, Agni's Philosophy used 1.8GBs of vram on a 680, and this new demo doesn't look that much better, save for Agni's hair. You could probably run it on a $329 GTX 970, if the Luminous engine and the demo assets scaled appropriately.
firebranded
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HOLY Crap is all
I've missed Agni, where there is smoke there is fire.....
I've missed Agni, where there is smoke there is fire.....
That is exactly what was going through my mind when I saw this. Graphics similar to these are possible in real-time today without a super rig. Render it at 1080-1440P with FXAA/SMAA and very high poly assets instead of 4k+ridiculous asset quality and a very very close image is achievable on a 970 or 2. This was showcased in the old Agni demo on a 680.
The whole point of this video is to take things to extreme ultra-pristine quality levels seen in pre-rendered CG, pushing the limits as to what kind of polygon counts can be rendered in real-time, hence the crazy poly counts and 4k resolution. These IQ increases make it exponentially more demanding on the hardware, hence the sudden need for 4 Titan X cards.
This presentation has a confirmation of DX12 support in CryEngine.
8:26 - King of Wushu is a CryEngine game.
DX12 video of King of Wushu was released few days ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sV9aa_12Ap0
Devs can choose between better framerate or keeping the same DX11 framerate but adding more mobs on the screen.
I really need to stop doing this to myself. Getting hyped for unannounced things. haha
Sugoi! I want to see what happens whe she goes full gold. Never go full gold.
That's what I was going to say, I think they did that with FFXIII.
Didnt know it was up for few days already.
Nice to know that all major engines will have DX12 support already this year.
They already do.
Here in Australia, I noticed 4K Panasonic TVs useing footage from the FF XIV ARR PC benchmark. They also used the Project Cars benchmark as well. I wonder if these TV manufacters notice the rise PC users connecting to TVs.
I don't share your optimism. More bandwidth doesn't mean more TFLOPS. By the time 14nm is ready next year, 28nm is more than four (yes FOUR) years old. If history repeats itself, we'll still be on 14nm in 2020.
GF110 (2010, 1.5 TFLOPS) -> GM200 (2015, 6 TFLOPS), a 4x improvement in 5 years.
Assuming PS5/XB2 will use a budget GPU again, we'll get 7 TFLOPS consoles in 2020. (1.8TF x 4). Basically the power of a Titan X, but probably with a lot more memory and bandwidth (HBM).
crazysapertonight
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IF demo was running on 4xSLI titans, does this really means, that it requires so much?
No, it was for the resolution i think. At what resolution was it? 4K? More?
Hair & Hair Reflections.
Hm? If you're talking about the rumored, cancelled Eidos Montreal FF, or FF Fortress which apparently should have been continued at Eidos Montreal before 2011, yeah, I know about them now. I still believe they're working on something else.You need to browse GAF a bit more carefully
I just don't understand why the FFXV art director, who had nothing to do with the development of the Agni's Philosophy tech demo, chose to draw Agni in a new outfit for that SE Happy New Year card on Twitter a few months ago. Why her instead of the obvious one, Noctis?
I mean, you could say, Well, they were working on this DX12 demo at that time already and Naora knew about it and wanted to show a little teaser or hint. But, ah, I don't know...
There's something in the bushes
E-Cat
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Well, a little bit more optimism would be warranted if you had done some research. The reason we'll have been on 28nm for four years is because 20nm was a bust, and was only used for SoC (aka iPhone 6). But it's not a situation that's likely to repeat again. 20nm was the last planar node for TSMC, and was basically created to ease the transition to FinFET transistors. For this compromise, it had all kinds of issues like poor power scaling.
However, 28nm --> 16FF+ will be like a node shrink+, with a 2x density improvement (instead of the usual 1.9x) and 70% (!) less power consumption - that's normally like 40-50% at best.
In their Q1/15 report, TSMC stated that their 10nm qualification is slated for late 2015, with volume ramp beginning at the end of 2016. Granted, there's still room for slippage and the first 100 million chips will be SoCs, but expect 10nm GPUs roughly a year from then. And it will be a true node shrink, too, with 2.1x the logic density and 40% power reduction.
As for 7nm, risk production is targeted at early 2017. The longest cadence in TMSC's history from an announced risk production date to product in the shelves is about two years--and that's the worst case scenario with lots of delays. All this is to say, there will be 7nm GPUs in late 2019/early 2020 at the latest.
That's pretty impressive with only one node shrink, tbh. It would only yield a 2x improvement in this case, which means the underlying microarchitecture has also been progressing. Also, Maxwell flops are more valuable than Fermi flops.
In fall 2013, the most powerful GPU on the market was the R9 290X, which was 5.632 / 1.843 ≈ 3x more powerful than the PS4. AMD will probably release a ~50 TFLOPS GPU in the 2019-2020 timeframe (The 390x this year will be around 8 TFLOPS, then we'll have three die shrinks, so 2^3 * 8TFLOPS = 64 TFLOPS). Taking the conservative 50 TFLOPS number and dividing it by three, a PS5 released circa 2019-2020 should easily be around 15 TFLOPS--which is as it should be, cause it doesn't make any sense releasing a console that's not close to an order of magnitude more powerful than its predecessor.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Well, let's see..
All planar nodes below 45nm have had issues with poor power scaling, or at least poorer than the expected scaling, for the dreaded exponential leakage. Why do you think voltage has been dropping so slow (read: been virtually stuck at the same levels) for the past few planar nodes? No proportional dropping of voltage, no proportional power scaling. FinFET helps, but it just offsets the problem a bit. How much does it offset it? Well, not much - in the 7nm timeframe we'll be seeing the transition to exotic materials. That's literally 2 nodes from today's off-the-shelf!
..Which says absolutely nothing when taken outside of any yield context. We have been able to make single-atom transistors for the past couple of years. In state-of-the-art laboratories, at who-knows-what-bucks a pop. Yay!
For some definition of 'volume ramp', sure. I admire your optimism, BTW. Here's what NV themselves had to say about their over-stayed love affair with 28nm:
http://www.extremetech.com/computin...y-with-tsmc-claims-22nm-essentially-worthless
Let me quote one particular graph from the article:
10nm GPUs in 2017? Made by whom? Vivante?
See me go out on a limb and say that there won't be 7nm discrete GPUs anytime before 2020. There, it's gone on record now.
Maxwell flops come largely at the cost of eliminating double precision. Transistors which used to do DP before do SP now. Given how NV see great future in front of half-precision, I guess we'll soon have bucketloads of fp16. Much efficiency, so gains!
You've brought some linear logic to an exponential gun-fight. Good thing is, we can all sit back an watch the show unfold in the next few years.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Oh bummer I was suppose to go to that and ended up bailing... That would have been cool to see.
FunkyDealer
Banned
I wonder what it would take to run at 1080p, 30FPS with something like SMAA with a temporal component (like Ryse and Second Son). And if that could be within reach for next gen with evolving tech.
Over here on base in North Carolina they use some kind of PC pCARS tech demo on the screen. I thought it was pretty damn cool how they were using a PC game to show off the capabilities of 4K.
E-Cat
Member
Yeah, probably. Microarchitectural innovations also help with the offset. Maxwell was able to double its power-efficiency over Kepler on the 28nm node. I think we'll manage for a couple generations yet.
Well, this is not some exotic research project - it will be a commercially viable node in just a few months. And considering 16nm is actually using the same backend as 20nm, there's a reason to believe the ramp will be relatively quick.
Are you expecting TSMC/GloFo/Samsung to go out of business? Note that I said "roughly" a year later. Could easily slip into early 2018.
It's easy to be pessimistic, sure. Intel just recently ordered 15 EUV systems from ASML. It means we could be looking at the insertion of EUV at the 7nm node. Will it lower the cost per transistor compared to ArF multiple-patterning? Maybe it will, maybe it won't.
It doesn't make any sense to have DP hardware in a gaming GPU, so good riddance. I hope they will stay separate lines. FP16 will be useful for some Deep Learning stuff.
That we can. Besides, it's you who is thinking linearly. What's your claim, anyway? That there won't be a 7nm discrete GPU by December 31st, 2020? I shall be bringing up this conversation around the time of the PS5's announcement - be sure to wear some tar and feathers.
qualitydisc
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Point #1:
I found something on a Square Enix employee's resume that could be very interesting, but I'm not sure how reliable it is......... he describes Agni's Philosophy as a "movie teaser."
.... which seems to me to imply that Agni's Pholosophy is a full-length film project along the lines of Spirits Within and Advent Children.
Point #2:
Square Enix has been hiring CG movie producers and directors this year. They had job listing up back in February (now gone) seeking a "game and movie director" for pre-rendered cinematics
SE called itself "a world-class game and movie studio to the global market" in the ad. Rather an odd description for itself when they haven't done a CG movie since 2009.
There is also a listing up now for a game and movie CG producer though it doesn't include the "world class movie studio" bit
https://js01.jposting.net/square-enix/u/producer/job.phtml?job_code=419
Now that could all just be standard Visual Works stuff, but I do wonder if this is a larger CG project being worked on here.
I found something on a Square Enix employee's resume that could be very interesting, but I'm not sure how reliable it is......... he describes Agni's Philosophy as a "movie teaser."
.... which seems to me to imply that Agni's Pholosophy is a full-length film project along the lines of Spirits Within and Advent Children.
Point #2:
Square Enix has been hiring CG movie producers and directors this year. They had job listing up back in February (now gone) seeking a "game and movie director" for pre-rendered cinematics
SE called itself "a world-class game and movie studio to the global market" in the ad. Rather an odd description for itself when they haven't done a CG movie since 2009.
There is also a listing up now for a game and movie CG producer though it doesn't include the "world class movie studio" bit
https://js01.jposting.net/square-enix/u/producer/job.phtml?job_code=419
Now that could all just be standard Visual Works stuff, but I do wonder if this is a larger CG project being worked on here.
E-Cat
Member
Most likely, yeah.
Reallink
Member
They do. Panasonic's 3d in store demo reel used FF14 cutscenes some years ago.
Reallink
Member
Smells like a real time VR movie project.
Soultaker0220
Member
I wonder if this tech demo is eventually going to be a game. Saw a cinematic during ps4 reveal, looked like a final fantasy game but not sure if it was a real game.
It's a tech demo.
"Movie" is a common term for trailers and CG videos, etc. They don't actually mean feature-length movies.
i.e.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr4jx2u7QlY - "Bravely Second Opening Movie"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OltkbBY2T8 - "Deception IV: The Nightmare Princess Teaser Movie"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQbpt2rrwWY - "Stella Glow Teaser Movie"
etc. etc.