Yeah, thats going to leave a massive hole in their health club coverage for sure.
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Kotaku: Konami Sucks
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Yeah, thats going to leave a massive hole in their health club coverage for sure.
I'll be there day 1 for the Steam version, so don't feel bad.
not a bad time. what else does Konami have that is worth anything after MGSV.
I don't really think Slowtaku is justified in this case?
There's already been a bunch of articles on the site about Konami's recent behavior and PT being pulled. This is just an opinion piece to go along with the news articles.
- Fuck Hudson
DarkChronic
Member
Yeah? I don't think so. Not at all.
So many quotes for this. I mainly made that crack because of the Jim Sterling having gotten black listed after bad mouthing Konami.
But yeah, they have nothing -- even if they release something they'll just farm it out to some cheap dev port house that is less than deserving of the IP it belongs to.
They no longer want your business, they aren't making things for you anymore because the things you want are expensive to make and don't appeal to enough people to make the investment worthwhile.
They aren't upset that us console gamers are pouty. This move looks like a significant shift away from what we would consider proper gaming being a part of their core business.
It sucks but businesses can and do pivot all the time and if you consider the environment Konami are in I can understand why they are doing this.
I was legit looking for the rest of that sentence.
DoctorFling
Member
They fucked over Bomberman as well, never forget
Ivan Amiibo
Banned
they have been sucking for about 2 gens now, longer depending who you ask. We've just been living on the fumes of some re-releases, HD collections, and a new MGS every once in a while.
The break up was a long time ago, they're just back to collect their stuff.
The break up was a long time ago, they're just back to collect their stuff.
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
I am in the crowd that thinks P.T. is overrated, but that doesn't mean I want to see it go or thought it was bad. I do think in this current gaming 'era' horror has been much on the rise recently though, and I think personally there's better horror games out there than P.T., though a lot of these games are still in the niche that most people don't know about/haven't played. But P.T.'s strength was being a strong teaser that was effective and brought interest successfully to an upcoming title in a franchise many had left for dead. I don't think it's the best piece of horror gaming that came out in the last few years, let alone all time, but I understand it gained more mainstream attention and most people haven't played or know about the things I consider better than it, and a lot of what I'm thinking of isn't on the console space.
It is a shame to see this happening, and I hope someone successfully manages to preserve P.T. in some form, it's an interesting risk that played well for the game until Konami fucked it all over in their apparent self-destruction path they've been doing for the last few years which is only getting worse and more publicly noticed recently (they were a mess 3-4 years ago when all those other Silent Hill stuff was coming out as well, however), but I think chiming it as the best horror game of all time sort of devalues the point of the article. I know this particular article writer is very vocal on his opinions, and fine, and this is an opinion piece. But as a horror enthusiast, that line did somewhat bug me I'll say. P.T.'s loss is stupid, pointless, and a damn shame, and P.T. is great at what it does. But to champion it as the best of the best in the horror genre I think is a disservice to both what P.T. accomplished and to horror gaming itself. Horror strikes different people differently, that will always be true in a bigger way than a lot of other genres, but to me, the line in the article, as well as dragging up his dislike of Kojima as a, "Whatever," point to the article, I feel somewhat devalue the whole article to me.
Opinions are opinions, but in my opinion, despite agreeing with the underlined point, I find the article to be somewhat distasteful and petty. Opinionated is opinionated, but I think it makes this come off more like a forum post, the epitome of expressing one's opinion right, than an educated or thoughtful editorial opinion.
I'm just being sarcastic. We know that Konami sucks, they've been great at it for a while now.
Look man, I need to get my postcount up somehow.
Pretty much.
Konami has been shit for the absolute longest.
However, what they've been doing within the space of ~1 month has been disastrous and will only come to bite them in the ass later severely. Wouldn't be surprised in the least if "boycotters" would drop money day 1 on the next Metal Gear, at the very least on pure curiosity, as many are hardcore fans of the series.
Personally, I'll still keep Konami in consideration, despite their dickish moves. There are one or two games that they could announce from the past that would make me buy, and I'm surely going to buy the next Metal Gear.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Perfect.
I don't think Konami knows how big P.T. is. Every friend I showed it to fell in love with it, churning and rememberin the PS1 horror days.
Everyone was sold on a PS4 when they found out its not available for PS3. Now they'll be turned off when they find out digital games don't last.
But I guess Konami knows...
InfiniteBento
Member
Laughed and wept at the same time reading this.
HyperZone<3
Member
is Konami even going to continue with their Soccer and Baseball games?
are they cutting everything, or just the everything that Western fans care about?
are they cutting everything, or just the everything that Western fans care about?
Finale Fireworker
Member
I agree with this article.
Nah, P.T. treadmill is where it's at.
Oh fuck. It's happening.Konami's been shitting on their own legacy for over a decade, and it all started when they changed their damn logo.
Also, Konami, Kotaku, Klepek and Kojima all have 6 letters. 6666. Think about it. It's a conspiracy. And maybe Frog Fractions 2.
Suzushiiro
Banned
Nah, keep your LE pre-order, bend all fingers on the replica hand down as far as you can except the middle one, then send a picture to Konami.
family_guy
Member
Way too dramatic. It was barely a game. I don't see anyone playing it more than twice at best.
Japanmanx3
Member
Exactly smh...
Alebrije
Member
This , since is not more a kojima work I won't give my money to a company that killed PT Silent Hill.
Waylon Drums
Member
I've stopped going to Gawker Media sites because they're shit and terrible but Kotaku is making that choice tough lately.
MWS Natural
Member
Never been so scared that I didn't finish a game before....and it was a demo.
Blacklisted from what? There's nothing left, brother.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Sorry to be that guy, but wouldn't Konami be setting themselves up for a backlash if they continued to offer a playable teaser for a game that its no longer possible for them to make because of the split with Kojima?
Hell, even if they were to proceed with the game under different creative leadership they'd have to pull the existing version of P.T (because it would still be misleading) in order to replace it with an updated version.
I'm not defending Konami over this, I'm just pointing out the reasonable and obvious business reality.
Hell, even if they were to proceed with the game under different creative leadership they'd have to pull the existing version of P.T (because it would still be misleading) in order to replace it with an updated version.
I'm not defending Konami over this, I'm just pointing out the reasonable and obvious business reality.
silver.tongue
Member
Kind of because it's hardly a full game... But as for it's horror/atmosfear, it's just that good.
Anyway, I've expressed my feelings in the other thread. Fuck konami. You just don't kill an "experience" like this one.
Reallink
Member
Its not just one of the best horror games of all time, its one of the best pieces of horror media.
Some say that the only thing more horrifying than P.T. is the state of Konami's IPs.
PixyJunket
Member
Oh boo hoo, Konami removed a tech demo for a game they're never making.
Where was this article when Konami bought Hudson for the sole purpose of killing them?
Where was this article when Konami bought Hudson for the sole purpose of killing them?
Mikey Jr.
Member
hehehe
lazer_bean
Member
Fiercedeity
Banned
Yea exactly. It's actually unnerving and scary and not because of the ghost.
The Last One
Member
LOL ha won' ever haen
brandonh83
Banned
The next team that works on Silent Hill could create a fucking masterpiece of modern horror, a brilliant and artistic and terrifying journey through mind and body, and everyone would think it's terrible because of these events or write it off before even touching it. Or even touching it.
lazer_bean
Member
- Fuck he alhabe
I dont understand the anger towards Konami for pulling PT from psn to be honest
Silent Hills at the moment is a cancelled project, so its promotional demo, PT, has no marketing value to Konami
Since the last console generation we know that console holders (Sony, MS and Nintendo) used to charge game makers per download volume of their games from their digital stores and we know that the cost on Sony platforms (PS3) was 16 cents per GB
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/113788/Sony_Charging_Publishers_For_PSN_Download_Volume.php
This policy is still valid today in the next generation consoles and game makers still have to pay psn or xbox live (or any digital store on PC) for bandwidth costs
The size of PT demo on psn was 1.3 GB which means that Konami had to pay Sony around 16-20 cents when some random user decided to download the Playable Teaser
The cost value is based on 2009 prices (per GB) and maybe it is a lot cheaper now, but the point I want to make is that downloads from digital stores cost money to publishers/game makers
Since PT is no longer going to make any money for Konami and Sony still charges for the bandwidth per download, it seems logical to me for Konami to remove PT from psn store
And maybe 15-20 cents per download dont sound like much money, but if you multiply that by 4 or 5 or 10 million people that are going to download the demo, the amounts is very large for a company that is trying to cut costs and restructure
I am sure that every PS4 owner would want to download PT at the moment, especially after hearing about eBay prices
As a gamer I am hugely disappointed from the cancelation of Silent Hills, but I totally understand why Konami pulled PT from psn store
Silent Hills at the moment is a cancelled project, so its promotional demo, PT, has no marketing value to Konami
Since the last console generation we know that console holders (Sony, MS and Nintendo) used to charge game makers per download volume of their games from their digital stores and we know that the cost on Sony platforms (PS3) was 16 cents per GB
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/113788/Sony_Charging_Publishers_For_PSN_Download_Volume.php
This policy is still valid today in the next generation consoles and game makers still have to pay psn or xbox live (or any digital store on PC) for bandwidth costs
The size of PT demo on psn was 1.3 GB which means that Konami had to pay Sony around 16-20 cents when some random user decided to download the Playable Teaser
The cost value is based on 2009 prices (per GB) and maybe it is a lot cheaper now, but the point I want to make is that downloads from digital stores cost money to publishers/game makers
Since PT is no longer going to make any money for Konami and Sony still charges for the bandwidth per download, it seems logical to me for Konami to remove PT from psn store
And maybe 15-20 cents per download dont sound like much money, but if you multiply that by 4 or 5 or 10 million people that are going to download the demo, the amounts is very large for a company that is trying to cut costs and restructure
I am sure that every PS4 owner would want to download PT at the moment, especially after hearing about eBay prices
As a gamer I am hugely disappointed from the cancelation of Silent Hills, but I totally understand why Konami pulled PT from psn store
DidntKnowJack
Member
People keep saying it costs money to keep it on the servers, but I can go to my PS3 and download some shitty demo from 2007 with no issues, but suddenly a less than 12 month old demo has to be pulled?
TheSlySoul
Member
Konami was at a Gaming Summit today (gambling). They were selling a Neo Contra slot machine.
You can tell their priorities are not in video games anymore. They are going all in on gambling/pachinko.
You can tell their priorities are not in video games anymore. They are going all in on gambling/pachinko.