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Got defrauded on CAG. 450$ lost. I can't believe this...

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The Cowboy

The Cowboy

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TheSpoiler said:
Let's review the current situation!

- Blah blah blah, OP sent some cards over like a dumbass and a guy took advantage of his mistake.
- Blah blah, OP decided it would be smart to contact a 19-year-old kid at his job and call his family.
- OP doesn't realize that this is straight up harassment and and stalking, and not the right way to blah blah go about things. In fact, the kid could easily, easily flip this and make the OP be the villain of the piece.
- According to OP's discussion with the kid's employer, someone will blah blah convince him to "do the right thing" (LOL)
- OP is currently doubling blah down blah instead of dealing with finances and bills or just taking the L and moving on, ignorant to the misfortune that will befall him if the kid decides to take action.
- OP should probably be scrubbing these threads, since some of what he could have blah said blah could be taken as blah threats.


Have fun with The Witcher 3 while you blah can, OP!
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This is it really.

Some of the thigs the TC has done can really harm his/her case if you went for a small claim to get the money back. Doing what has currently been done would be classes as threatening behaviour and harassment.
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To the TC - you managed something remarkable in this, you actually got the persons info, your 1st port of call should have been to contact him calmly (i know this is hard due to the amount lost) via PM/email/letter and stated you want either the voucher amount back or the money owed, you should try this a few times and if it doesn't work - you stop right there and halt all contact with him/her. After this you would contact something akin to action fraud (this is what we call one of the places in the UK) and file a fraud complaint against the person - after this you start the small claims process and follow it to the letter.
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As the person i quoted has stated the person who defrauded you could now actually get things going against you due to how you have dealt with this, so not only have you lost a lot of money, the person who got it can actually file harassment charges against you.

Stop all contact with them now and start-up proper proceedings, contact Target and report the cards stolen/defrauded, contact anything like action fraud (not sure what your version of this is) and/or file a small claim for the money lost and charges: but be aware with all that you have done - it could now backfire.
 
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Ninja Scooter

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Arrogant Bastard said:
Can I ask you a question, have you been banned here before? Are you the previous member by the name: Ntsouls

The individual that was pushing the 21st Century bible. I ask because I did a little looking around and I'm pretty sure it is you.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=861832

https://twitter.com/antisoulless

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/505258219/21st-century-holy-bible
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stn

stn

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Why is there a witch hunt on the OP going on now? The exchanges he had with the thief were pretty damning, it seems obvious the accused is lying. It should also be noted that CheapAssGamer confirmed it was the same guy behind both accounts through IP trace.

What the OP did was definitely not prudent. But I think he already knows that and doesn't need to be reminded more and more. Just my $0.02.
 
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dallow_bg

nods at old men
Arrogant Bastard said:
Can I ask you a question, have you been banned here before? Are you the previous member by the name: Ntsouls

The individual that was pushing the 21st Century bible. I ask because I did a little looking around and I'm pretty sure it is you.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=861832

https://twitter.com/antisoulless

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/505258219/21st-century-holy-bible
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This explains the ridiculous Family Guy Facebook messages.
So this is how it ends.
 
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DoktorEvil

Banned
Arrogant Bastard said:
Can I ask you a question, have you been banned here before? Are you the previous member by the name: Ntsouls

The individual that was pushing the 21st Century bible. I ask because I did a little looking around and I'm pretty sure it is you.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=861832

https://twitter.com/antisoulless

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/505258219/21st-century-holy-bible
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I was intrigued with the harassment by the OP against the scammer, but this is getting interesting.


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kitchenmotors

Banned
stn said:
Why is there a witch hunt on the OP going on now? The exchanges he had with the thief were pretty damning, it seems obvious the accused is lying. It should also be noted that CheapAssGamer confirmed it was the same guy behind both accounts through IP trace.

What the OP did was definitely not prudent. But I think he already knows that and doesn't need to be reminded more and more. Just my $0.02.
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The scammer is a douche but the OP went about it the wrong way from the start. Why hasn't he called Target yet? Jesus, some common sense would go a long way in this day time drama.

OP, give me the codes and I'll call Target myself on your behalf and report them stolen.
 
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TheSpoiler

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stn said:
Why is there a witch hunt on the OP going on now? The exchanges he had with the thief were pretty damning, it seems obvious the accused is lying. It should also be noted that CheapAssGamer confirmed it was the same guy behind both accounts through IP trace.

What the OP did was definitely not prudent. But I think he already knows that and doesn't need to be reminded more and more. Just my $0.02.
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Because he's actively stalking someone, and still continues to do so. If he honestly was regretful about stalking someone and calling people in their personal life, which is harassment and just plain creepy, he would have apologized and went on his way. But since he continues to "wait for a response", he obviously doesn't see himself in the wrong for the stalking part.
 
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TheSeks

Blinded by the luminous glory that is David Bowie's physical manifestation.
Well, this thread certainly took a turn. Do we know if OP isn't just making up the entire thing and riling up CAG and GAF over a fake story/harassing someone he dealt with in the past?
 
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Absoludacrous

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from your 'bible' said:
speak? And what are you doing with your EYESOPEN HUH!?” “Uh...books?”“I WILL SLAP YOUR FUCKING MOUTH if you lie to me again.” “The woman gave me it, she gave me some fruit from the tree...well it came from the tree but I put it in my anus then I popped it out and THEN I ate it. Then she made me these clothes and told me to wear them so I don‟t injure my genitals or hurt my feet on sharp things” 3:13 The LORD God said to the woman, “What is this you have done? MADE MY ADAM inTELLIGENT?!” And the woman replied, “I uh...no...the...the SERPENT DID IT! THE SERPENT tricked me...and...I was all blind and retarded and stuff so....” 3:14 The LORD God said to the serpent, “You FAGGOT!” The serpent replied, “Come onnnnn. They were running around slamming into trees. I did them a favor. Baby, come on don‟t be upset” “NO! THIS IS BULLSHIT! I put that tree there specifically so NO ONE EATS ANYTHING FROM IT!” “Well, why did you put it there? Put up a fence or a couple of guards. And ...good lord, God...why did you make them so stupid. How were they supposed to know eating from the tree was good or bad if they didn‟t know what was good or bad”. “How... DARE you... You SON OF A BITCH! Cursed are you above all the wild beasts and all the living creatures of the field! I‟m going to just...CHOP off alllllllll of your little legs and on your belly you will crawl and dust you will eat all the days of your life.” “Pft* whatever. Look if you want to be a bitch then be a bitch.” 3:15 ”I WILL PUT HOSTILITY between YOU and the WOMEN and between YOUR offspring and HER offspring; her offspring will attack your head, and you will ATTACK her offspring‟s heel. Then one day sick fucking Japanese people will stick you in their vaginas and you will suffocate!” “That‟s stupid I‟ll just go live in a hole and eat eggs and shit. Also, I‟m sure a Japanese vagina, whatever that is, will be better than crawling around here listening to your bitching.“ “SHUT UP!! SHUT UP! SHUT...UP!“ 3:16 To the woman God said “You like to mess around and do whatever you want don‟t you? Well...I will greatly increase your labor pains. Oh YEAH! Sowhen you pop out a kid it‟ll hurt! LIKE TO FUCK
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I didn't have much empathy for you before, but it doesn't speak well for you when it's this hard to tell who the most terrible person in this story is
 
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JBourne

maybe tomorrow it rains
Every single thing you've done throughout all of this makes you look like a child, man. Grow up. This isn't how adults handle things.

Recent developments are fucking golden, though. That 21st Century Bible Twitter account is cringeworthy as fuck.
 
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rtcn63

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TheSeks said:
Well, this thread certainly took a turn. Do we know if OP isn't just making up the entire thing and riling up CAG and GAF over a fake story/harassing someone he dealt with in the past?
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What if OP was secretly one step ahead of us the entire time, knowing that DetectiveGAF would eventually come into play and discover his true identity. Why? Publicity to renew interest for his 21st century bible without being implicated in self-promotion. I mean, the email exchanges involved with the scammer could be designed specifically to showcase his writing skills.
 
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Lucario

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Does this recap seem about right?


-- OP has $450 worth of gift cards to sell. He decides to list them on the CheapAssGamer forums.

-- A CAG user (henceforth CU) shows interest in the gift cards. As CU had more reputation than OP, OP was obligated to send first.

-- OP decides to send a $50 card first, await payment, and then send the rest.

-- OP sends the first $50 card (via email?). CU claims it does not work, and pressures OP to hurry up the transaction.

-- For some reason, OP mails the entire $450 stack of gift cards to CU. It is unclear if this was ever communicated to CU before the cards were shipped.

-- CU goes completely silent, and does not pay OP once the cards arrive.

-- OP goes bananas, posts on the CAG forums about being scammed. CU claims his account was hacked, and that OP was scammed by the hacker.

-- An admin on the CAG forums confirms that CU has been logging on via the same IP for years. Basically, he lied about being hacked.

-- OP tracks down CU’s Facebook. In the resulting conversation, CU impersonates both a lawyer and a policeman, and continues to deny that the transaction ever happened.

-- OP posts his saga on GAF. Notably, he ignores all posts pointing out that Target could’ve had the cards invalidated. It is also established that OP never went to the authorities about this, instead deciding to internet detective his money back.

-- OP decides it’s time to escalate this. He contacts CU’s father, his employer, and the dean of his university. He argues with anyone who points out how incredibly not-OK this is, and accuses GAF of bandwagoning against him.
 
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TheSeks

Blinded by the luminous glory that is David Bowie's physical manifestation.
rtcn63 said:
What if OP was secretly one step ahead of us the entire time, knowing that DetectiveGAF would eventually come into play and discover his true identity. Why? Publicity to renew interest for his 21st century bible. I mean, the email exchanges involved with the scammer could be designed specifically to showcase his writing skills.
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We need to go deeper.

*HORN*
 
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TheSpoiler

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From the other thread on CAG:

Thanks for the advice. Yeah I am wary of it. I don't call and call and call. I called once. And then again. Then that was it.

I am definitely much cooler than I was. I'm speaking to an assistant dean at his school, I compiled all the evidence like you said, but saved it to a word/pdf file and sent it. She said she would help resolve the issue best she could before I report to him school and to the police there.

There was also an employer of his, a financial institute, and the guy there, I talked to him and he said it would be better he try to talk to him first. Again I know this was not the right way. The police might have seemed like the best way. But I'm still holding out hope in a more humane way of dealing with things. But both of the individuals have stated they would help with the matter before I involved police and a school committee.

Also. He called me a coward for calling his daddy. Lmao.
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Had the OP not outright admitted to stalking the kid in the threads, he might not being in shit. But the second that's reveled, well..

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Is what the "scammer" is and will be doing.
 
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chubigans

y'all should be ashamed
Lucario said:
Does this recap seem about right?


-- OP has $450 worth of gift cards to sell. He decides to list them on the CheapAssGamer forums.

-- A CAG user (henceforth CU) shows interest in the gift cards. As CU had more reputation than OP, OP was obligated to send first.

-- OP decides to send a $50 card first, await payment, and then send the rest.

-- OP sends the first $50 card (via email?). CU claims it does not work, and pressures OP to hurry up the transaction.

-- For some reason, OP mails the entire $450 stack of gift cards to CU. It is unclear if this was ever communicated to CU before the cards were shipped.

-- CU goes completely silent, and does not pay OP once the cards arrive.

-- OP goes bananas, posts on the CAG forums about being scammed. CU claims his account was hacked, and that OP was scammed by the hacker.

-- An admin on the CAG forums confirms that CU has been logging on via the same IP for years. Basically, he lied about being hacked.

-- OP tracks down CU’s Facebook. In the resulting conversation, CU impersonates both a lawyer and a policeman, and continues to deny that the transaction ever happened.

-- OP posts his saga on GAF. Notably, he ignores all posts pointing out that Target could’ve had the cards invalidated. It is also established that OP never went to the authorities about this, instead deciding to internet detective his money back.

-- OP decides it’s time to escalate this. He contacts CU’s father, his employer, and the dean of his university. He argues with anyone who points out how incredibly not-OK this is, and accuses GAF of bandwagoning against him.
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Holy cow.
 
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Absoludacrous

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DoktorEvil said:
That was suppose to be funny?

All I could read was gibberish.
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Probably helps if your state of mind involves stuff like this:
old post from that thread said:
The idea of a man becoming a woman is so absurdly weird. It is odd.
Its as odd to me as it is for a gay man to understand why a straight man likes women.

So why do men become women? They must of thought about doing it for a long time. It must not have been something impulsive.
Why do they feel the need to dress like a woman. Get implants, hormone therapy and so forth? Because God got it wrong and made them men?
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FiggyCal

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rtcn63 said:
What if OP was secretly one step ahead of us the entire time, knowing that DetectiveGAF would eventually come into play and discover his true identity. Why? Publicity to renew interest for his 21st century bible without being implicated in self-promotion. I mean, the email exchanges involved with the scammer could be designed specifically to showcase his writing skills.
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It reminded me a lot of Family Guy or South Park!
 
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kitchenmotors

Banned
TheAutomator said:
sorry to hear that OP, you should just call the authorities because this kid won't give you your money back.



really?
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Read the thread before commenting on what's really going on. Also, that "Bible" and the word faggot don't mesh well with me. OP is a pretty terrible person in his actions and words.

So, yep, really.
 
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PHOENIXZERO

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Yeah, the sympathy is going down here... You'd been better off taking that trip to Virginia or you know, actually contacting the police. The hesitation of getting cops involved is starting to get really suspect.

sooperkool said:
Just because your foolishness seems to be successful does not mean that you won't get jammed up. Do you know what the penalty for a debt collector not following correct steps according to FACTA is? I do.... $1000.00 per incident and its real easy to prove you fucked up. had you done this to me you'd already be in the hole for 3k (for calls to Dad, The Dean and the employer).

You're just like the scammer, you think your in the clear because you're getting away with it right now.
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Yup, finding that out shortly after agreeing to be a part of a class action settlement against a collection agency made me regret doing so.
 
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exmachina64

Banned
JBourne said:
Every single thing you've done throughout all of this makes you look like a child, man. Grow up. This isn't how adults handle things.

Recent developments are fucking golden, though. That 21st Century Bible Twitter account is cringeworthy as fuck.
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He appears to at least be in his mid-thirties in his Twitter picture.
 
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JBourne

maybe tomorrow it rains
I don't think he's coming back. I think he's refreshing the hell out of this page, but I don't think he'll be answering any questions.
 
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Khalifa Jayy

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