loaf of bread
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Its their IP and their project. This is Sega's IP and Yu Suzuki's project.
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Sony is officially helping with funding and development with Shenmue 3
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Its their IP and their project. This is Sega's IP and Yu Suzuki's project.
So the developer doesn't have to cater to the lowest common denominator as a result of developing for multiple consoles.
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Uno Venova
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It sounds like this kickstarters upsets everyone but the actual backers of the prject, which isn't usually how these kickstarter stories go...
Why couldn't say something about the existence of the deal? "If game is funded, we will help", but that wouldn't show that they have much confidence in the game
Admiral Woofington
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Where's Shenmue 1 and 2 HD for peeps like me who never played the first two but still supported this?
Kickstarter isn't used to "gauge interest".
It's just the first step in an independent game's promotional campaign. Corporations and investors simply use it to defer risk, generate social media hype, and drive consumer engagement. This has become even more transparent now that there all these dumb sidegoals creators they demand that you make Tweets and Vines.
It's just the first step in an independent game's promotional campaign. Corporations and investors simply use it to defer risk, generate social media hype, and drive consumer engagement. This has become even more transparent now that there all these dumb sidegoals creators they demand that you make Tweets and Vines.
AmuroChan
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They will provide breakfast 3 times a week.
Money speaks, not words.
Thanks for this. Sounds to me like it's not Sony published. It's more like a Grim Fandango Remaster type arrangement.
Confounding Factor
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What's shitty about it isn't so much the seeming duplicitous nature of it, but rather how Sony benefits from it.
If there was no Kickstarter and Sony funded it 100%, each consumer is only going to spend whatever the retail cost of the game, say $60.
But how the pricing is tiered, there's already been 9,385 backers that paid more than retail for the game.
People were under the assumption that backing the game would go directly into the pockets of the developers who needed the funding, but were not also getting funding elsewhere. "Yu Suzuki needs money to make a masterpiece, here's $10k or $300!"
Let Sony foot the fucking bill, they are flush with cash. They could give Suzuki $50 million dollars and if it flops, no big deal.
If there was no Kickstarter and Sony funded it 100%, each consumer is only going to spend whatever the retail cost of the game, say $60.
But how the pricing is tiered, there's already been 9,385 backers that paid more than retail for the game.
People were under the assumption that backing the game would go directly into the pockets of the developers who needed the funding, but were not also getting funding elsewhere. "Yu Suzuki needs money to make a masterpiece, here's $10k or $300!"
Let Sony foot the fucking bill, they are flush with cash. They could give Suzuki $50 million dollars and if it flops, no big deal.
Mendax
Member
yes exactly.
And i dont think anyone is really mad tbh. more like trolling for the sake of it
That's their own property. Shenmue will be on it's third platform holder with this game, much larger risk.
TimeEffect
Member
I guess that's fair.
People do support this practice, so it seems like a consensual thing.
So, was Shenmue not on kickstarter before last night?
I mean, suppose it went on Kickstarter without the announcement yesterday... wouldn't it have made the $2 million?
That wouldnt have been enough, right?
I mean, they would need like...$60 Million?
But that'd seem impossible...
So the $2 million acts as minimal interest, and Sony picks it up from there? If Sony didn't swoop in, anyone could have, right? Or was it agreed upon that Sony would get rights to this if it hit $2 mill?
I feel this is an important distinction. Sony seemed to have been encouraging this with the intention to support it when it hit the $2 million mark.
On the other hand, since $2 million isnt a big deal to Sony, it doesnt make sense that they would encourage a kickstarter at that low of a budget goal.
What exactly is stopping a publisher from doing this with other games though? I mean, suppose Tony Hawk Pro Skater Underground was on kickstarter first, and then funded by Activision... is this different because Suzuki was independent?
Did no one else but Sony decide to fund this after seeing the kickstarter success?
I'm not trying to bring the excitement down, I am definitely happy to see it, but I'm curious how some of these deals work
This is the appropriate reaction.
Tyraniboah
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I don't understand what the problem is. Backers get the game, among other things if they choose. There is no game otherwise. I've only played part of the first one so I'm not as deeply invested into the series as others. But I'm glad they get the conclusion they want. Hopefully this leads to some form of the first two games available on PSN or at retail.
amstradcpc
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1000 times this.
LegendofDragoonLives
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Can Sony do a Legend of Dragoon reboot from Studio Japan KS at French Game Show next? First game I ever give money to kickstarter. 
This thread is a perfect example that humans will complain about anything and everything. I understand disappointment for Xbox gamers but for the other people, it's just cringeworthy stuff here.Beysus said:
AwakenedCloud
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Do you know how mad people would be if you cancelled the Kickstarter? The whole point is to invest in the game now to get a return on investment later. I backed it off the notion that this game will retail for above $30 when it is released. If they were to cancel this, it would be a betrayal of that investment. Nobody is forced to contribute, and if they don't believe they're getting a fair return on investment they can cancel their contribution.
Who is getting ripped off? Or Poe's Law?
lawl?
That Roman numeral stands for 2.
Yeah let's go back to the true way, the one which lead to no Shenmue 3 for 14 years.
CaptainTiptop
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SocksAndShoes
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I mean, all they did was set aside time during the most visible video games expo of the year...some people just cannot see the forest for the trees.
Idempotent Button
Banned
There's the honesty I was looking for. So yeah, basically the same thing Bloodstained did.
KillerSloth
Banned
With a lot of salt lol.
They aren't giving money to Sony PERIOD. They are giving money to Suzuki. And the more money Suzuki gets, the less he'll have to get from Sony. And that's probably a good thing for Suzuki. People are getting way too irrational just because Sony is involved.
Uno Venova
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lawl?
That's Shenmue 2.
I said Shenmue, not Shenmue II.
Palette Swap
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When you're asking for the cancellation of a transaction I made, you're speaking for me.
And there's the whole point.
It's easy enough to say "I'll buy this game", but that doesn't mean you will. Putting money down on it is a little more solid demonstration of interest.
Let's hope this approach sticks to high-risk products, though. If it spreads to mainstream titles, we're all fucked.
Mendax
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lawl?
sequel to shenmue =/= shenmue
and franchises dont start out with sequels.
Unless we're talking star wars movies..?
indigo-cyclops
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I'm happy as fuck that we were even given the opportunity to show that there IS demand for the series, and that we want to see it to the end. The Kickstarter gave us that opportunity. If it didn't get funded I would bet that would be that. Perhaps Sony/Yu felt the outcome was possible and ultimately felt the fans needed to be the final obstacle.
I see no wrongdoing here because this is something I have wanted for the last 15 years. It is a series that helped shape my tastes and one of the earliest conscious memories of an awe-inspiring gaming experience.
I see no wrongdoing here because this is something I have wanted for the last 15 years. It is a series that helped shape my tastes and one of the earliest conscious memories of an awe-inspiring gaming experience.
Netherscourge
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I hope Sony or Eidos somehow get that discontinued Soul Reaver/Legacy of Kain game kickstarted again!
I'd be down with that.
I'd be down with that.
Sparkedglory
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Some of you are rediculous. If you think about it, it makes complete sense to Sony. Shenmue never really sold well back in the day, and it's been nearly 15 years since Shenmue 2. Just because vocal fans want it doesn't necessarily mean it'll sell, and $2 million from fans is nothing compared to what Sony will pay if they're actually fundinng it. Yes they could've been more upfront about it, but with a little thinking, it was kinda obvious that this entire situation was what was going down the entire time.
It's not an exclusive, though. It's also coming to the PC.
It's possible they do, but that they have to make a choice; making it entirely and completely exclusive would mean more money out of their pockets than making it PC/PS4.
LOL
Suzuki owns Shenmue now, Sega has nothing to do with Shenmue 3
PixyJunket
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Kickstarter is generally used to fund projects that can't get funding through traditional means.
Sony is a Giant Mega Dollars Corporation. If they wanted Shenmue 3, they have the money to fund it. This is a billion dollar company asking for crowd-funding handouts.
This is also the second time they've done this.
Me: I've backed almost a dozen games across indiegogo and kickstarter and I understand the risks of using it. While Sony could be trusted to complete the game noone should put up with the lack of regulation that currently exists over crowdfunding. Crowdfunding could become an even more efficient tool than traditional investing but it has some serious flaws that need to be addressed.
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