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[Captain Tuttle]

He gets the $10,000 jacket

This kind of bothers me

 

[test_account]

Sony / Sega: "Thanks for the free focus test / development cost discount."

*proceed to tape their dicks up in $100 bills*

Enjoy your fruit of the loom quality merch, capsule toy or your name credited in a thirty minute long credits sequence nobody will watch

Why not just pledge $29 then? Unless you think that is an unreasonable amount for the game.

 

[Reset]

And Sony has helped fund games such as SF5 which will never be released on Xbox.

Super Street Fighter V

))))))

 

[Pikma]

Are the whales getting anything in return?

Oh that justifies publishers getting development discounts, I didn't know that, nvm

 

[Ty4on]

The Shenmue series started with Shenmue II?

No, it obviously started with Shenmue III.

 

[Y2Kev]

What's wrong with fruit of the loom? Lol

 

[afternoon delight]

this might influence the rest of the kickstarter days

I hope so. Console giants funding PC games? That's the stuff of dreams.

 

[Apt101]

I don't have a problem with what Sony did. When I first learned about Kickstarter years ago and saw it being used to launch games I figured this was an inevitability. Even internally within publishers there has to be push and pull, so someone being able to demonstrate, clearly, that X amount of people are willing to spend Y amount of dollars before a product is even realized has to be persuasive.

 

[GhostTrick]

What people dont get is that Sony is HELPING. Not fully funding. Hence why there's a PC version. They still NEED our help to make it happen. It being ran through 3rd party production pretty much says all.

Its not funded or co developped by Japan Studio. Its not published by SCE.

 

[Xpliskin]

I'm reading half of these complaints in Shawn Elliots "Ralphie" voice from GFW radio.

The game I have been waiting for more than half my life is being made. They could be using black magic for all I care as long as it's being made.

This.



The fun fact is that those complaining haven't even played the originals.


The game is coming out on PC too.




There's no reason to be mad.


It's been announced at the Sony conference, of course they're involved in one way or another.

 

[Coolade]

June 15th: Shenmue III revealed at the Sony E3 Event
June 16th: "I wish they would have said there was some kind of partnership with Sony"

...

LOL.

I don't care how the sausage is being made. Just get. In. My. Belly.

 

[chadskin]

A Kickstarter is never an investment. You are not investing money and gaining a stake in the outcome. You are donating.

BusinessGAF am cry

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

Can Sony do a Legend of Dragoon reboot from Studio Japan KS at French Game Show next?

Well it's possible.

We got TLG, FF7 Remake, Shenmue 3 and Nier 2. Fuck might as well help develop Vagrant Story 3 and a Chrono Trigger sequel while you're at it Sony. Oh and a proper Suikoden for next-gen, and maybe a new PowerStone or Tobal No.2.

 

[Marty Chinn]

Does this mean we can get a physical PS4 version now? I haven't backed because of that missing.

 

[Drencrom]

I'm a fan of any approach that gets me Shenmue freaking Three.

Basically.

If this is what has to be done to get big and expensive dream game projects off the ground that wouldn't otherwise, then so be it.

 

[Confounding Factor]

Kickstarter is generally used to fund projects that can't get funding through traditional means.

Sony is a Giant Mega Dollars Corporation. If they wanted Shenmue 3, they have the money to fund it. This is a billion dollar company asking for crowd-funding handouts.

This is also the second time they've done this.

Exactly my point.

Sony has exploited the kickstarter model in order for gamers to pay well in excess for a retail copy of the game under the guise "it needs funded", when they shouldn't have to do this at all.

 

[jacobeid]

The people in this thread make me so depressed about the gaming community in 2015.

What is happening here is basically a gaming miracle.

The attempt among certain "concerned" individuals to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory... just astounding.

The exhaustive criticism is becoming just that. The older I get the less I care for these types of outrages.

 

[wtshaolin]

I was hoping for some salty gifs...

 

[Salsa]

the fact that people can't seem to separate discussing the politics of this and being concerned =/= excitement for the actual game is so weird

"JUST BE HAPPY DON'T OVERTHINK IT THIS IS A MIRACLE BE HAPPY PLEASE!"

what a weird thing. I can be happy for the game and wonder about it too. Like, I actually care

 

[border]

Kickstarter isn't used to "gauge interest".

It's just the first step in an independent game's promotional campaign. Corporations and investors simply use it to defer risk, generate social media hype, and drive consumer engagement. This has become even more transparent now that there all these dumb sidegoals where creators demand that you make Tweets and Vines.

 

[CheDominik]

I don't get the complaints at all. Are people this delusional that they believe that all it would take are 2 millions? If that was true, Shenmue III would have been made years ago.

 

[Qwark]

Suzuki owns Shenmue now, Sega has nothing to do with Shenmue 3

I believe Sega still owns the franchise, they're just letting Suzuki have 3? I don't know, hopefully somebody more knowledgeable can explain it.

Yeah, the Kickstarter makes it sound like Sega is just letting Suzuki use the license, not ownership of the license:

SEGA has officially given us the rights to use the "Shenmue" license.

 

[amstradcpc]

What's wrong with fruit of the loom? Lol

Too salty

 

[Windom Earle]

The salt is real in this thread!

 

[Soyongdori]

I've been saying this since last night but people wouldn't believe it.

 

[Stone Ocean]

That's pretty underhanded in my opinion. KS should be for games that genuinely struggle to receive funding, not to gauge interest in a game before a publisher commits to a project.

If Shenmue wasn't struggling to get funded you'd think people wouldn't have to wait for over a fucking decade.

 

[Piggus]

What do I win?

The satisfaction knowing you have a lot more common sense than the salt factories in this thread.

 

[Haunted]

Sony making all the right moves.

 

[Bishop89]

The salt in this thread is ridiculous. Just be thankful it's getting made otherwise you would have NEVER got this in a million years.

 

[KillerSloth]

LOL.

I don't care how the sausage is being made. Just get. In. My. Belly.

Fucking hilarious, I am dying here man, in tears lol.

 

[DeadbeatCassanova]

Man this news came at the worst time for me financially, really want that $175 tier stuff. I guess there are worse things than a shenmue 3 kickstarter being announced in between pay periods.

Props to Sony for stepping and making sure this game will actually see the light of day.

 

[MrCunningham]

Did anyone post this from the Kickstarter FAQ?

Will there be an Xbox/Wii U/Linux/Mac version for Shenmue 3?

Currently we are planning development only for PC (Windows) and PS4. Other platforms have not been decided yet.

Hope it gets a Linux port. Should be trivial since it is UE4.

 

[EatinOlives]

:lol that's a nice way to spin it. There's interest, the goal has been met, why not stop it now and just open a pre-order page? Because they want the free money whales give them

Because Sony wasn't interested in funding the whole game. Never was, never will be.

It was this or nothing. Doing the cynical spin and pretending this is evil Sony squeezing cash out of poor unsuspecting fans is just drivel. But push the agenda it helps you downplay the hype.

 

[leeh]

So donating 2 million is to gauge interest? Why not a survey, poll or market research like, you know, usually happens.

I'm not a fan of this approach, I think it's sly.

 

[SomewhatGroovy]

So the game wouldn't have existed if it weren't for Sony?

irrelevant to someone who doesn't own a PS4

 

[Dr. Buni]

Can't complain about console developers funding games which are set to be release to PC as well. It'd be a shame if it was exclusive, like say, Bloodborne, though.

 

[bananafactory]

As a backer, I wish people would stop telling me that I'm being exploited or how I should spend my money

So donating 2 million is to gauge interest? Why not a survey, poll or market research like, you know, usually happens.

I'm not a fan of this approach, I think it's sly.

Talk is cheap, the real litmus test is getting people to open their wallets. You don't have to like it but that's business

 

[joecanada]

Kinda shitty of them not to admit there was some sort of connection up front, but that's the world we live in...

it was pretty obvious.....

1. console exclusive
2. Sony paid good money for that stage time, which they shared with a dude (not some random dude).

you don't know how business works at all if you think that was all a coincidence....


"hey look the Shenmue guy, should we invite him on stage?" Lol

 

[FStop7]

Gio Corsi quote:

"Absolutely. First off, Shenmue III was the number one ask on the whole #BuildingTheList campaign, so when that first started, right off the bat, 'Shenmue III, Shenmue III, Shenmue III.' So this has been an ask for as long as I've been at PlayStation. And we met with Suzuki-san at GDC last year and we started the long road to try and figure out how we were going to get this whole thing made.

"We said, 'the only way this is going to happen is if fans speak up,' and we thought Kickstarter was the perfect place to do this. So we set a goal for $2 million and if the fans come in and back it, then absolutely, we're going to make this a reality. So, Sony and PlayStation are definitely a partner in this game, and it's going to be run through Third Party Productions with Ys Net. We're going to get the game done. We're going to be partners the whole way, and we're really excited to see this thing come out in a couple of years."

So they asked the fans what they wanted. The fans responded, overwhelmingly. They set the goal and gave Suzuki a platform to announce the project. It reached its goal in a few hours. They agreed to officially become involved.

Truly history's greatest monsters.

Yes, over the past 15 years Yu Suzuki has been defending himself from all the numerous offers to develop Shenmue III. They were just too good. It was only until Kickstarter came to be Suzuki & co wanted to create Shenmue III as they wanted to exploit the fans.

#cancelshenemue

Chinner, you will always be my favorite.

 

[Mendax]

The TLG complaints in the other thread kind of bugged me too.

Dont go anywhere else; youtube and twitch are a burning pool of acid right now. went on an e3 livestream and dozens of #fucksony comments came floating by =.=

 

[RE_Player]

I'm somewhat shocked that in 2015 people don't understand that a majority of these big titles aren't solely created from the funds earned through crowd funding.

 

[Dizzy]

Sony should remaster the first two games in 1080p/60fps, put them on PSN and say all profits made from the sale of the games will go directly into development of Shenmue III.

Without a doubt, we need a Shenmue HD collection on PSN before this game is out. Shit, it might just happen given the huge interest in Shenmue 3.

 

[Slaythe]

Why are you talking about 2M again ?

The kickstarter itself says the bare minimum would be 4M and that 6M would be likely.

Also using UE4 makes the cost way less important than building their own engine from scratch.

 

[Nafai1123]

What's shitty about it isn't so much the seeming duplicitous nature of it, but rather how Sony benefits from it.

If there was no Kickstarter and Sony funded it 100%, each consumer is only going to spend whatever the retail cost of the game, say $60.

But how the pricing is tiered, there's already been 9,385 backers that paid more than retail for the game.

People were under the assumption that backing the game would go directly into the pockets of the developers who needed the funding, but were not also getting funding elsewhere. "Yu Suzuki needs money to make a masterpiece, here's $10k or $300!"

Let Sony foot the fucking bill, they are flush with cash. They could give Suzuki $50 million dollars and if it flops, no big deal.

First off, a 50 million dollar game flopping isn't "no big deal."

Second, those people that have funded the game at $300 or $10k aren't just getting the game.

Third, the money from those people that funded the game at $300 or $10k are still going towards development of the game.

And finally, those people that have funded the game at $300 or $10k didn't have to fund the game at those levels, and could most likely change their backer level if they feel cheated.

 

[FreddieQuell]

I'm a backer, and I am upset that there was no transparency involved.

Like I said earlier and someone else mentioned, when Nintendo saved Bayonetta, did they come up with a faux kickstarter to gauge interest? No, they just made it for the fans. No shady business. We have a clear precedent here with a company handling this kind of situation the right way, and we have today with a company handling it the wrong way.

People should have known from the beginning that they were just gauging interest.

Are you so upset that you're going to cancel your donation and buy it a release for $60?

 

[Jinfash]

Yeah, when I think about it, reserving the game for $29 is not a bad deal after all. Plus people can downgrade or outright cancel their pledges, right? [Citation needed]

 

[LEBRON KING JAMES]

Ppl complain about anything. 29 bucks to preorder a game that wouldn't exist is a steal. Would be nice if more console games did this.

 

[fantomena]

I love the way that get's me Shenmue 3 so I love this way.

Rather this way than the way that got us no Shenmue 3 for over 10 years.

Shenmue 3 is happening and people are complaining.

Better cancel this way so we can use 14 more years to find another way to create Shenmue.

 

[NastyBook]

Microsoft did that same shit back with Shenmue 2, stop bitching.

lol welp!

 

[RPGamer92]

Kickstarter is for games to be crowd funded that wouldn't have happened otherwise.

Shenmue III is a game that hasn't "happened" for like 15 years. Sony got on board only because KS made it possible for fans to subsidize the game. Otherwise they, like every other publisher on the industry for the past 15 years, would've passed on the project.

This is a problem how? The game wasn't going to happen otherwise, as Sony wasn't going to be footing the whole bill. I think people are just being childishly salty about this just because it happened under the Sony banner at E3.

That's exactly why people are mad. I'm sure if MS or Nintendo had done the same, some of the people whining in this thread wouldn't be whining right now.