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[Steejee]

Every time I see a clip from this show I am just amazed at how on point the writing is.

Agreed, they nail it just about every time. At this point Slate will toss the main topic video up every week, don't even need to watch it first to be sure it's good. Oliver being on HBO helps as well, good budget plus very few restrictions on what he can do on his show.

Are there any somewhat respectable people still associating themselves with GG?

 

[spons]

Does Sarkeesian actually have around the clock protection?

She sent someone after fucking Maddox of all people while she was making a video during E3. Probably justified, and although he doesn't go into the details he was filming her.

Guy is irrelevant at this stage and it looks like he was deliberately looking for trouble.

 

[jon bones]

My only criticism of this video is how it (as with almost all news coverage on this issue) portrays online harassment as being purely a women's issue (and males being the default offenders), when it is my opinion that, much like with the subjects of rape and domestic abuse, it is a people's issue, and that the subject should be spoken off regardless of gender, race, sexuality or religion. Things like these shouldn't become some sort of competition between the sexes in order to see "who has it worse" but rather be open to anyone who has had those terrible experiences so they can be heard and get help.

Everything else is pretty much on point.

27 posts before "b-but what about men??"

i can't tell if we're getting better or worse

 

[Puaru1]

Seriously guys, watch his videos on issues like people dying building FIFA World Cup soccer stadiums. He's hilarious and informative at the same time on real world issues (it's great to come up for air when submerged in video game drama for perspective on how bad the real world can be).

edit:
Here! I even found a bit video game related for you!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XV5w8OFrm6U

 

[Hypron]

That fake ad at the end of the video is just perfection.

Those youtube comments though. Jesus Christ.

How fucking stupid and pathetic can these people be, while sounding so arrogant at the same time.

 

[Kurdel]

Great video.

 

[DICKS AHOY]

27 posts before "b-but what about men??"

i can't tell if we're getting better or worse

Not that they get it nearly as bad as Zoe or Anita, but I'd say regardless of your opinion of their work Arthur Gies and Ben Kuchera copped an enormous ton of shit from GG for talking against it.

There's still the issue that basically anyone who speaks against it and wouldn't be an inconvenient victim publicity-wise (I noticed jack all happened beyond a comparatively tame, passive-aggressive ED article on Egoraptor when he spoke out against the Quinnspiracy stuff) suddenly has to start worrying about getting caught in the dumbass internet crossfire.

She sent someone after fucking Maddox of all people while she was making a video during E3. Probably justified, and although he doesn't go into the details he was filming her.

Guy is irrelevant at this stage and it looks like he was deliberately looking for trouble.

... This is literally the first time I'm hearing this guy existed in nearly a decade. What does he have to do with anything? What the hell was any of this during E3?

GG is way too confusing a clusterfuck to follow even from a distance, I can't imagine how convoluted shit gets when you're on twitter actively talking and 'experiencing' it on a day to day basis.

 

[Boards of Canada]

My only criticism of this video is how it (as with almost all news coverage on this issue) portrays online harassment as being purely a women's issue (and males being the default offenders), when it is my opinion that, much like with the subjects of rape and domestic abuse, it is a people's issue, and that the subject should be spoken off regardless of gender, race, sexuality or religion. Things like these shouldn't become some sort of competition between the sexes in order to see "who has it worse" but rather be open to anyone who has had those terrible experiences so they can be heard and get help.

Everything else is pretty much on point.

That's a weird comment to make.

 

[Puaru1]

Not that they get it nearly as bad as Zoe or Anita, but I'd say regardless of your opinion of their work Arthur Gies and Ben Kuchera copped an enormous ton of shit from GG for talking against it. .

I think Polygon gets a ton of well deserved shit from aGG places, like NeoGaf, for being terrible.

 

[jmood88]

It's already the worst rated video on Last Week Tonight's channel and they are routinely talking about much more divisive political topics. This is so fucking ridiculous.

But it's about ethics in game journalism.

 

[DICKS AHOY]

I think Polygon gets a ton of well deserved shit from aGG places, like NeoGaf, for being terrible.

Hence why I said 'regardless of what you think of their writing'. If for whatever reason Polygon decided it was 'pro' GG you probably wouldn't hear a peep out of the movement concerning the site.

 

[TheSlySoul]

The fact that you have to send naked pictures of yourself to fight a copyright is terrifying.
It is sad the law protects the harassers. About the same league as police cannot do anything to stalkers if they are non-violent as well.

 

[woopWOOP]

Somehow these videos are never blocked here in the Netherlands.

My internet's being ass and won't load the video or comments decently, but man if that aren't the biggest bunch of dislikes I've ever seen for a Last Week Tonight video.

 

[Puaru1]

Hence why I said 'regardless of what you think of their writing'. If for whatever reason Polygon decided it was 'pro' GG you probably wouldn't hear a peep out of the movement concerning the site.

Hard to say. Seems like the meme is "lol polygon" from both sides, and they aren't really respected for anything other then some of their long form journalism (their Op-Ed's seem pretty hated from both parties). I doubt if Polygon were to suddenly switch sides anyone on KiA would welcome those hacks into the fray.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

I see GamerGate's PR police are going full force in the youtube comments.

 

[RadarScope1]

Hence why I said 'regardless of what you think of their writing'. If for whatever reason Polygon decided it was 'pro' GG you probably wouldn't hear a peep out of the movement concerning the site.

But the harassment those guys get is, I would guess, largely not from GG or anything to do with sexism or th culture. They get slammed because of what they write about games. And because they love to have cocky attitude (or so it appears to many people).

 

[Puaru1]

But the harassment those guys get is, I would guess, largely not from GG or anything to do with sexism or th culture. They get slammed because of what they write about games. And because they love to have cocky attitude (or so it appears to many people).

Yeah, look at the threads on GAF on that Rock Band 4 "preview" they put up. I lurk both sides to see the latest drama, and it seems if there is one thing that the two sides could agree on, it's that Polygon is just awful.

 

[Renekton]

It's already the worst rated video on Last Week Tonight's channel and they are routinely talking about much more divisive political topics. This is so fucking ridiculous.

Man I hope the GG-related downvoters are not John Oliver's core audience demographic <.< It would be awkward to like the same show as these guys.

 

[ryseing]

I like how gamergate has recently allied itself with white supremacy.

And hating fat people.

 

[2002whitegt]

This was great. While watching last night I just knew this was going to hit a nerve on the people who don't think this is a problem.

Can't believe some folks think the threats are just normal internet interaction.

 

[Puaru1]

Man I hope the GG-related downvoters are not John Oliver's core audience demographic <.< It would be awkward to like the same show as these guys.

You just have to seperate that issue from other ones. You can find GG's that have very similar political issues that you hold, but differ on this particular one. Lurking on KiA, I notice a lot of "Next Generation Left" posters who are pretty liberal, but share different views on this topic. There's nothing wrong with liking the same thing that they like (after all, they like playing games, and you like playing games, right?)

Just remember to stay true to your beliefs, and not be swayed by their ideologies (or anyone else, for that matter.)

 

[DICKS AHOY]

But the harassment those guys get is, I would guess, largely not from GG or anything to do with sexism or th culture. They get slammed because of what they write about games. And because they love to have cocky attitude (or so it appears to many people).

I'm not really trying to equate critiquing someone's writing with harassment though. I'm talking more about stupid shit like Shredded Moose comics with Kuchera plastered in simply because he's a journalist who made his opinion on GG known. Nobody is reasonably going to try and construe anyone critiquing that Rock Band 4 'preview' as being a Gater simply for the act of making fun of it.

Similar example is how there's absolutely a lot of legit critiques about Double Fine's management as of late after the Space Base disasters and how Act 2 of BA turned out, but the DF/Schafer jabs in Postal 2's latest DLC are pretty obviously only in due to being the biggest developer with a public negative stance on GamerGate and far less to do with the former point. People like Mark Kern and Dennis Dyack can have the exact same mismanagement criticisms lobbied at them Tim Schafer has, but naturally don't from GG because of the stance they've adopted on the movement.

Man I hope the GG-related downvoters are not John Oliver's core audience demographic <.< It would be awkward to like the same show as these guys.

Some of them probably also like the same games/movies/music/food you do. I think it's a bit silly to worry about sharing some of the likes someone you don't like does, unless you feel there's some sort of correlation between why you don't like them and what you both dig.

And hating fat people.

I still have no clue what the context behind this, the Maddox mention earlier or the white supremacy (I'm guessing something specific and not just /pol/) is. At this point is there anything not tangentially related to GamerGate?

 

[Metal B]

It's just mind blowing, how people spin this discussion in a "man vs woman"-argument. Everybody is equal (will not really, but this isn't besides the point) to the law. The video talking about the non-existence, inconsistence or the terrible execution of those laws in general. Woman are just an easier target and much more sensible to harassments, while most males will just don't see a threat in them. What is also the part of the problem of the situation.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

Can't believe some folks think the threats are just normal internet interaction.

It's probably normal for them; the harassers making the threats.

 

[Happy-Bunny]

Man I hope the GG-related downvoters are not John Oliver's core audience demographic <.< It would be awkward to like the same show as these guys.

Sorry to burst you bubble but there are many things like opinions, media etc., people you wouldn't like share with you. In my humble opinion this fact shouldn't affect anyone at all!

 

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I still have no clue what the context behind this, the Maddox mention earlier or the white supremacy (I'm guessing something specific and not just /pol/) is. At this point is there anything not tangentially related to GamerGate?

Well, I think that because GamerGate is not a single entity (much like Anonymous), everybody can step in and make some comments, effectively becoming part of it all. Hence Maddox, hate against overweight people and racism.

 

[scoobidoo112]

27 posts before "b-but what about men??"

i can't tell if we're getting better or worse

That's a weird comment to make.

Such insightful responses. Is this what people do here in these kinds of threads? Just continue to make fun of anyone with some kind of different opinion whilst repeating the same argument to each other all the time? I don't think my comment was in any way unreasonable or disrespectful, shame that doesn't go the other way around as well.

While you are right that everyone should be treated equal, the harassment online is mostly targeted towards women. As in 97% of the harassment is targeted towards them. So it is clear that their trouble needs extra attention and a solution.

I have trouble with that number. Pew numbers show something else. But like I said, I think the numbers, right or wrong, don't matter, as this is a people's issue and it should be talked about as such. Nobody, regardless of sexuality, gender, race or religion should feel unwelcome to a discussion or made felt like their experiences aren't valid somehow.

 

[Puaru1]

I still have no clue what the context behind this, the Maddox mention earlier or the white supremacy (I'm guessing something specific and not just /pol/) is. At this point is there anything not tangentially related to GamerGate?

Reddit banned a sub called FatPeopleHate, the radical idiots on that forum fled to other subs, Kotaku in Action (the unofficial GG subreddit) being one of them. They seem conflicted, as they don't approve of censorship or Ellen Pao, but also don't wish to associated with a group of people who were blatantly body shaming other people (they realize that their reddit is at risk as well, and gamers on both sides aren't always the most physically fit lot, myself included).

 

[massoluk]

The dislike/like is something alright for this video. The Internet, stop embarrassing yourself.

 

[ClosingADoor]

I have trouble with that number. Pew numbers show something else. But like I said, I think the numbers, right or wrong, don't matter, as this is a people's issue and it should be talked about as such. Nobody, regardless of sexuality, gender, race or religion should feel unwelcome to a discussion or made felt like their experiences aren't valid somehow.

From your link: Young women, those 18-24, experience certain severe types of harassment at disproportionately high levels

This is the major issue at the moment. All harassment is wrong, but addressing the worst at the moment is a good start, since you can't solve everything at once.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

I have trouble with that number. Pew numbers show something else. But like I said, I think the numbers, right or wrong, don't matter, as this is a people's issue and it should be talked about as such. Nobody, regardless of sexuality, gender, race or religion should feel unwelcome to a discussion or made felt like their experiences aren't valid somehow.

In the context of the video game community it is undoubtedly women who receive the more significant bulk of harassment solely for their gender. I honestly cannot remember ever seeing someone attacked in the gaming community for the reason of being male.

 

[FlutterPuffs]

I have trouble with that number. Pew numbers show something else. But like I said, I think the numbers, right or wrong, don't matter, as this is a people's issue and it should be talked about as such. Nobody, regardless of sexuality, gender, race or religion should feel unwelcome to a discussion or made felt like their experiences aren't valid somehow.

I do too.

It seems so disproportionate, so wrong.

Unfortunately though, it's also probably right.

 

[Felix Lighter]

At this point, I have to imagine GG has been reduced down to its insane hateful core. There seems to be less effort put in to disguising it as anything more than a woman hating harassment brigade. Between the madness spewed all over social media, the countless examples of harassment, things like wacko propaganda posters at E3 and the reception of the group by any mainstream media that notices them, that if any member had even the slightest self awareness, they would realize that they are the bad guys here.

 

[Puaru1]

In the context of the video game community it is undoubtedly women who receive the more significant bulk of harassment solely for their gender. I honestly cannot remember ever seeing someone attacked in the gaming community for the reason of being male.

On reasonable places like Gaf? No. On Tumblr? Yeah it happens. I think the large disparity in numbers parallels male rape cases. Males are probably much less likely to report harassment, as they are less likely to admit to being raped.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

On reasonable places like Gaf? No. On Tumblr? Yeah it happens. I think the large disparity in numbers parallels male rape cases. Males are probably much less likely to report harassment, as they are less likely to admit to being raped.

Tumblr isn't a gaming community.

 

[Wiseblood]

From your link: Young women, those 18-24, experience certain severe types of harassment at disproportionately high levels

This is the major issue at the moment. All harassment is wrong, but addressing the worst at the moment is a good start, since you can't solve everything at once.

 

[OldMuffin]

I'm sorry but I mean to let this off my chest, I want equality, but I cannot take Anita serious, because she seems less about equality and more about female dominance.

 

[RipperGrim]

27 posts before "b-but what about men??"

i can't tell if we're getting better or worse

Seriously? So now it's fuck all guys who get targeted online? We know it happens, just look at what happened with Phil Fish. If you are that dismissive about issues that are similar to the what happens to the women but think it's not important if it happens to guys then I can answer your question, it's getting worse.

I'm sorry but I mean to let this off my chest, I want equality, but I cannot take Anita serious, because she seems less about equality and more about female dominance.

It's okay, nobody takes you seriously when you say stupid shit like that.

 

[Puaru1]

Tumblr isn't a gaming community.

Not explicitly like NeoGAF, no. But plenty of gamers use it to talk about various topics, and this debate is one of them.

 

[jon bones]

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[NoblesseOblige]

I'm sorry but I mean to let this off my chest, I want equality, but I cannot take Anita serious, because she seems less about equality and more about female dominance.

You're wrong, but even if you were right I'd be down to supporting her. Female dominance is my fetish.

Not explicitly like NeoGAF, no. But plenty of gamers use it to talk about various topics, and this debate is one of them.

The point is if you go to an actual gaming community you will rarely, if ever, find any disparaging comments about the male sex/gender. Sexist language is almost exclusively reserved in referencing women in these places.

 

[Puaru1]

You're wrong, but even if you were right I'd be down to supporting her. Female dominance is my fetish.

Femdom is pretty hot in the bed room, but you want equality outside of that.

 

[OldMuffin]

You're wrong, but even if you were right I'd be down to supporting her. Female dominance is my fetish.

I know a few feminists in real life, and we are honest I consider myself a feminist (even though I'm a guy), and its all about equality, not one is better than the other. Thats whu I can't get behind her, because she is not technically a feminist.

 

[ClosingADoor]

I know a few feminists in real life, and we are honest I consider myself a feminist (even though I'm a guy), and its all about equality, not one is better than the other. Thats whu I can't get behind her, because she is not technically a feminist.

Technically not a feminist. OK dude...

You don't have to agree with everyone. But it seems that online some people take that disagreement means you need to stalk the other and threaten them. It's just sad.

 

[RipperGrim]

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So!? It happens to men as well, it happens to everyone! we shouldn't be dismissing anyone's case because statistically (Which we should NEVER take as solid facts) it happens less to one group of people.

 

[LiK]

Agreed, they nail it just about every time. At this point Slate will toss the main topic video up every week, don't even need to watch it first to be sure it's good. Oliver being on HBO helps as well, good budget plus very few restrictions on what he can do on his show.

Are there any somewhat respectable people still associating themselves with GG?

I think as soon as they associate with GG, they lose all respectability. Funny how they like to spew shit on Twitter but never on TV where they would get more exposure.

 

[OldMuffin]

Technically not a feminist. OK dude...

Sorry mate, just how I feel about the whole thing, I'm not like she shouldn't have her opinion, its just that I don't agree with her opinion.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

Femdom is pretty hot in the bed room, but you want equality outside of that.

Pft, speak for yourself. I'm fighting the good fight for women to control the world and neuter all the menfolk.

I know a few feminists in real life, and we are honest I consider myself a feminist (even though I'm a guy), and its all about equality, not one is better than the other. Thats whu I can't get behind her, because she is not technically a feminist.

Oh, in that case I concede. I wasn't aware you got to define feminism for everyone.

 

[ClosingADoor]

Sorry mate, just how I feel about the whole thing, I'm not like she shouldn't have her opinion, its just that I don't agree with her opinion.

That's ok and you don't have to. It also has nothing to do with the topic and the problem of online harassment, so why bring it up.

 

[Omega]

Seriously guys, watch his videos on issues like people dying building FIFA World Cup soccer stadiums. He's hilarious and informative at the same time on real world issues (it's great to come up for air when submerged in video game drama for perspective on how bad the real world can be).

edit:
Here! I even found a bit video game related for you!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XV5w8OFrm6U

I don't know whether it's sad or not that I get most of my "news" from John Oliver. For some people it might seem weird that he's making jokes talking about serious issues, but I think mixing comedy with seriousness is great. It points out the absurdity of some of these situations when you can be sarcastic or make non-offensive joke about it.

Maybe it's my low faith in society, but if this was just a regular news segment I don't think most people would grasp how stupid it is that you need to send people naked pictures in order to stop people from seeing your naked pictures.