Spinning the rumor mill, this guy with the name of my dog says he's doing a write-up.
I was a bit worried about it too.
I was a bit worried about it too.
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PS1 game N2O gets emulated release on Steam, more coming.
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Yikes, looks like it renders at 320x240 regardless of what resolution you choose. I'll give this a pass.
So I know BIOS are needed for PS1 & PS2 emulation, but what are they exactly? I remember having to look for them on the internet because the emulators didn't come packed with BIOS, but I never assumed it was a licensing thing.
Do they contain system architecture information, or is it just licensing agreement stuff?
Do they contain system architecture information, or is it just licensing agreement stuff?
The BIOS (Basic Input/Output System) is the most basic piece of firmware a computer has. It controls the booting sequence, and so it loads even before the operating system. It controls everything that the computer (or console, in this case) needs to start, and it makes sure that the computer passes the Power-On Self-Test (POST). Most modern PCs come with its successor nowadays, UEFI (Unified Extensible Firmware Interface).
There are legal, homebrew alternatives to the official PSX BIOS, namely the HLE BIOS. It's completely legal and fair to use it instead of dumping Sony's BIOS, so there's actually no issue there.
"PCSX-Reloaded has a very capable Internal HLE BIOS that can run many games
without problems. It is recommended that you use it. However, if you own a
real PlayStation, you may be able to use your own BIOS image.
https://twitter.com/opcode_raeg/status/615796065556525056
https://twitter.com/opcode_raeg/status/615796865099919361
May have something to do with the fact that Dosbox is awful
So it functions the same way as the windows BIOS that is used for overclocking stuff! I never knew that stuff was licensed.
KainXVIII
Member
Uh, well. "BIOS" is the name of this type of software. There are several different brands that produce similarly-functioning BIOSes on PC: Phoenix, Award, American Megatrends... Since console developers are known to "code to the metal", they produce their own BIOSes tailored to their specific hardware platform.
UEFI rocks, though. You can use your frigging MOUSE! It was mindblowing a few years ago when I got a brand new motherboard that came with UEFI. It was a game-changer
alexandros
Banned
Huh, interesting.
derExperte
Member
They have many games from Infogrames (which is now basically Atari) coming up. Seems like they're involved.
twinturbo2
butthurt Heat fan
Hm, did they get the Pop Will Eat Itself music for Loaded?
Starwolf_UK
Member
It's so very hard to keep track of who owns what ip whenever Atari is involved.
sixteen-bit
Member
Koudelka has such good animation and "digital acting" for a PS1 game.
Yeah, this will be pulled from steam
https://twitter.com/opcode_raeg/status/615796065556525056
https://twitter.com/opcode_raeg/status/615796865099919361
https://twitter.com/opcode_raeg/status/615796065556525056
https://twitter.com/opcode_raeg/status/615796865099919361
N2O is on PSN.
Sectorseven
Member
How do straight up emulated console games work on Steam? I assume the game contains PS1 oriented button mapping and controller icons, which strikes me as confusing for PC gamers.
lyrick
Member
It probably is for people that still look at the controller while playing, or those that haven't put in tons of hours on these titles already.
It's not a whole lot different than the old way of referring to gamepad buttons as a number, which was still common in the 90's and 00's
bestpersonevar
Member
how much longer to this gets pulled? i just bought it.
Seems like the article about this release was posted here.
The legality issue comes from the fact they're using a GPL licensed emulator for this, but haven't open sourced the changes they made to it, which is against GPL rules or something. So provided they do that it should be fine.
The legality issue comes from the fact they're using a GPL licensed emulator for this, but haven't open sourced the changes they made to it, which is against GPL rules or something. So provided they do that it should be fine.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Not even a little bit hard. Most emulators have debuggers that can check and live-update the system RAM while a game is running. You simply poll for a certain bit in the memory to be set to a certain value. It's not hard to reverse engineer the game's memory layout either. This is a trivial task that any decent programmer could implement on any emulator.
I wonder more about some of the games they are advertising with Infogrames as the publisher. In the case of Koudelka they may be able to get the rights to publish it from them but they only had the PAL rights. So are some of these games going to be region locked? This one seems to be a test since the original developer owns the rights to it so they can authorize new releases. Also does the open source emulator they are using use an emulated bios or just a normal bios.
It uses emulated BIOS, so there shouldn't be anything illegal in there.
It's $3 and could be pulled from Steam potentially, so get it sooner rather than later.
MetalSlug
Member
Yeah well it's easily rectified by them.
At least I think the only issue here is the GPL violation? Of course we have others that have broken this and gotten away without even a Jimmie rustled. Actually many are doing so today and no one can touch them They have even openly refused to comply with the GPL. Take a second to look at the Android world and come into this corner and cry with me
At least I think the only issue here is the GPL violation? Of course we have others that have broken this and gotten away without even a Jimmie rustled. Actually many are doing so today and no one can touch them
They have even openly refused to comply with the GPL. Take a second to look at the Android world and come into this corner and cry with me 
PapaEmeritus
Member
It seems like it would be a better option to buy the PSX version used and emulate it with ePSXe, to be honest. The Steam version uses a PAL copy of the game so it's only 50hz, and doesn't support high resolution rendering.
HarryKS
Member
You're in for a shock. It's crap and srpg.
I asked for the source code and got it via email. Here's their response:
Seems like a lot of drama over nothing.
Here's an upload of what they attached to the email: https://mega.co.nz/#!iIJ1VSwD!ZhcSHqejMGecopiqMfHnUsNhx_LRuUv4k3zrXrHNqUo
Seems like a lot of drama over nothing.
BMX Bandit
Member
D has the best 'bad' ending in a video game I've ever played. I own the discs still but if this manages to stay up I would probably grab it just to have it.
Kresnik258
Member
Toshinden 2? My god, I've been waiting for all the Toshinden games to come to PSN, they never have though
KKND Crossfire & Hogs of War are things I both own and would probably buy again too.
What an interesting initiative.
KKND Crossfire & Hogs of War are things I both own and would probably buy again too.
What an interesting initiative.
Good to hear.
Gunstarheroes
Member
So, they are good then? Great! Roll on the classics!
Edit: They made an official post on the N20 Steam Boards. Basically, it was a simple oversight. (http://steamcommunity.com/app/364840/discussions/0/523890528711365888)
DidntKnowJack
Member
Not a pc gamer, but this is great news especially if it puts the idea in Sony's head that maybe these old games still have an audience. And helps spur more releases.
Is the the PS1 version of Hogs or the PC? Because the PC version sucks, right? The thread makes it sound like it's emulated PS1, but just want to make sure.
Edit: Oh, it's not out yet. I see.
Really glad to hear it.
On another note, with the GPL PSX emulator they're using, will it only emulate at original resolution or could it potentially upscale as well? Failing that, I'd hope to all hell that we get some solid CRT filters so it doesn't look like complete arse.
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