Only played two of the idTech games, Wolfenstein seemed pretty good with it, but The Evil Within sure suffered.
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Why is Unreal Engine 4 taking over Japan?
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Only played two of the idTech games, Wolfenstein seemed pretty good with it, but The Evil Within sure suffered.
UE4 being used in a lot of fighters bodes well for it's ability to hit 60fps on console, something that UE3 wasn't designed for. Epic was even shocked when Mortal Kombat hit 60 on UE3.
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Deleted member 17706
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Well, we're done here!
But, yeah, the Japanese documentation and support is really good. They established Epic Games Japan in 2009 with the primary goal of licensing and providing technical support for Unreal Engine. It's paid off!
Exactly right. Excellent guess!
Artists may create 3D models in external programs (like 3D Studio 4) and then import them into UE4, but other than that, everything is done inside that one product.
Krusenstern
Banned
It's funny that of all Japanese developers From Software is one of the few who still created a proprietary engine for their games this gen.
NoctisVsStar
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I wouldn't be surprised if FF7R was on UE4
TheDarkKnight774
Member
Thank god Japan has moved on from this desire to make their own engines.
I hope it is so we see it in our lifetimes.
The Baron Count
Member
People should really watch some of the tutorials on UE4. It's absurdly intuitive based on what I have seen, I haven't actually messed around with any of that stuff, but you get the sense that even a beginner could pick it up and start creating simple things fairly easily.
That's because UE3 had a lot of "required to render" shaders, that and some of them were coupled together. Like for a number of years you couldn't get bloom without that very very very very very very very very poor fake "DoF" implementation that ended up just looking like haze.
Eteric Rice
Member
So how is Unity fairing right now against UE4?
Felix Lighter
Member
Good games can be made but they have weird limitations technically on PC, at least.
Part of it is Epic getting their act together. UE3 could have done something similar last gen if their Japanese support and documentation had been better.
It's a risky, expensive proposition no matter where you do it, but a lot of the devs adopting UE4 now are those who either suffered from the limitations of old engines last gen or got burned in the process of developing new ones.
It's a risky, expensive proposition no matter where you do it, but a lot of the devs adopting UE4 now are those who either suffered from the limitations of old engines last gen or got burned in the process of developing new ones.
plasmawave
Banned
Maybe they have a proper Japanese support from the get go this time.
Well to begin with, they only make a certain kind of the game to begin with, so iterating on that with their base requirements was much easier. Also, it was also probably a major update of their previous engine, like most engines are. Bloodborne is using the same engine as Demon's Souls and Dark Souls with less changes
I agree with this and also really enjoy it. Good way of describing it.
Yup, pretty much.
That's because Tangled looks generic as hell.
That's probably (and hopefully) the case.
Haunted
Member
Trying to create their own engines nearly bankrupted some Japanese publishing houses last gen and generally backfired (except for Capcom's excellent MT Framework engine).
Going with a middleware solution is the smart choice, and out of the three big ones, Unreal seems to have the edge in documentation.
Going with a middleware solution is the smart choice, and out of the three big ones, Unreal seems to have the edge in documentation.
Projectjustice
Banned
I remember the days that the Japanese created a new engine per game. Dummies.
It's a shame. On the off chance that MvC4 happens in the foreseeable future, I was hoping it'd take advantage of Panta Rhei like MvC3 did for MT Framework. Oh well, SFV looks fantastic with UE4, so I guess a potential Mahvel 4 would be just fine with UE4 as well.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
They already allow it in first game through a patch released a while back so it definitely should be option in what should be a much smoother running sequel.
Vulcano's assistant
Banned
Is Tango part of zenimax or just partners? I would have bet they were going to get idTech6 at some point.
Blame Disney for making CGI films, that looks right about the alley of how Tangled looked. Hopefully stages from something like Sleeping Beauty look nothing like that.
Starlord 84
Banned
I heard in Nomura's interview that Epic have really good Japanese support for Unreal Engine 4 now...
What game is that at the bottom?
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
Doom 4 is the first game to run on idtech6. Its was mentioned during the Bethesda showcase
I personally think it's great that UE4 is taking over in Japan. Means more PC support is likely. 
Huh, that's true... well, I'm sure that comes with its ups and downs.
Huh, that's true... well, I'm sure that comes with its ups and downs.
Haunted
Member
I still see a lot of Unity logos, there are quite a few games being made particularly in the indie space.
That said, I have no doubt that UE4 will grab a majority of the market this generation.
Of course they were shocked about MK. They basically rewrote/stripped out a huge amount of UE3 in order to get it to run at 60. I'm curious if it was worth it at that point.
With the evaluations I've done of UE4, they still have a very high performance floor. It's been a few updates since I've looked at it though. Not sure what it will take to get that floor down, maybe an explosion of VR?
Blood Diamonds
Banned
So beautiful ;___;
I heard in Nomura's interview that Epic have really good Japanese support for Unreal Engine 4 now...
Thank you UE4 Overlords
Tekken 7
Krusenstern
Banned
They're owned by Zenimax and they're seriously switching to UE4. Got job listings looking for people with UE4 experience.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Maybe they don't want to be left behind the entire generation while they're building their own engine, like last gen.
Probably because Japan doesn't want to be keft behind like they were last generation when it comes to graphics. The lack of Japanese console games besides Mobile becoming popular was because they were all trying to build their own engines and struggled with it.
I welcome it as long as I can get good Japanese games out of it
I welcome it as long as I can get good Japanese games out of it
idTech is a great fit for FPSes running at 60fps. That's what it was made for.
The problem was that it was never designed for a game like TEW. Tango tried to make the engine fit their design and it was like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.
I still think idTech gets undeservedly poo-poo'd too often, but there's no question that UE4 is a far more versatile engine and that Tango will probably do much better with it.
This, this and this.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Pretty much.
UE4 is gonna be engine of choice for a while unless Unity and CryEngine step up their game....hard!
Im just glad we are seeing a very diverse set of artstyles in the engine so I dont really care what engine devs use aslong as they can get their games to run well, look good and play amazingly.
ArchedThunder
Banned
Havok isn't a graphics engine, it's a physics engine.
Vire
Member
Makes you wonder what last generation would have been like if Japan didn't try and do everything in-house. It's a shame that Final Fantasy XV is still using that piece of shit luminous engine.
Words cannot express how happy I am that Japanese games appear to be making a renaissance. Unreal 4 is an amazing tool and I've been incredibly impressed with results in games so far.
Words cannot express how happy I am that Japanese games appear to be making a renaissance. Unreal 4 is an amazing tool and I've been incredibly impressed with results in games so far.
Rushersauce
Banned
Remember Namco and UE3?
hur hur hur
UE3? Really? What game is that?
One factor is that today's consoles are more similar to x86 PCs than they have ever been
and therefore Epic's PC-centric engine is a better fit than ever before, when JPN companies needed to optimize for exotic hardware (emotion engine, SPUs, powerPC, etc.).
The question is: Can UE4 run MGS5 better than Kojima Tools?
(with perhaps the single exception of the OG xbox)
The question is: Can UE4 run MGS5 better than Kojima Tools?
bloodyroarxx
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Frame City Killer.
Frame City Killer
Was supposed to be some sort of open world UE3 action game, got a decent amount of press coverage early in the Xbox 360's life, but it never materialized and got canceled in 2006.
bloodyroarxx
Member
Another Frame City Killer screen
plasmawave
Banned
Another Frame City Killer screen
I guess that looks alright for an open world game from 2006?
Not really tho.